[quote]Professor X wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I think my voice is what puts people at ease.
Why? Do you sound like Aaron Neville?
I really don’t know what I sound like. Ask CT. I just meant I don’t sound like an idiot and people seem to pick up on that quickly.
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So you don’t automatically start off by telling people smaller than you they need to eat more & train harder in real life?
I’m a little lazy to dig through 5 pages, but did anyone bring up lawyers and the Juris Doctor? They get the title Esquire, it’s very far from common usage to call them Dr. (although technically correct), and I’d be hard pressed to compare a JD to a PhD, MD, or whatever.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I think my voice is what puts people at ease.
Why? Do you sound like Aaron Neville?
Mike Tyson
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Mike Tyson got an honorary doctorate in Humane Letters from Central State University in Ohio in 1989. So, I guess you could call him Dr. Tyson.
MD’s (read medical deity) is not the only doctors. Chiropractors (DC), dentists (DDS), opthamoligists (OD), osteopaths (DO), etc. are just as much doctors as MD’s and they earned every bit of that title and are entitled to it. I am a Doctor of Chiropractic. I earned the title Doctor and in a professional setting I go by Dr. Out in the world I go by my first name, but most people call me Doc and some of them don’t even know I am a (real) Doctor. I agree with otehers who have stated that those who insist on being called doctor at all times are a bit arrogant and I have to admit I was that way when I first earned my degree, but now, not so much.
Mr. Jones?
[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
Mr. Jones?
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Hell, fucking no! If anyone has earned the title it’s him!
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
In the UK, surgeons and specialsts in hospitals are referred to as Mr instead of Doctor. Having Mr on your card instead of Dr in a hospital is actually a status symbol.
This is because historically Surgeons didn’t take a doctorate, they were apprenticed and recieved a diploma.[/quote]
I thought this was fascinating, so I did a bit of research. This is what I came up with:
In the UK, the division of physicians and surgeons into `doctor’ and Mr derives from the medieval origins of physicians as educated graduates, and the surgeons as apprentices (usually for 7 years) of barber-surgeons. (It should be noted, that in the 18th century, an MD could be purchased from Aberdeen or St Andrews universities for £20.)4 In France, the first official organization of barber-surgeons was founded in Rouen in 1096. A similar organization was formed in London in 1308,5 and it was not until 1745, that George II separated the barbers and surgeons by an act of parliament, and in 1800 that the Royal College of Surgeons was formed in England.6
There is another important derivation of the distinction; in the UK, unlike many other countries, MD is not a licensing qualification to practise medicine. The typical double bachelor’s degree, MB BS or equivalent, does not, strictly speaking entitle the holder to the title of doctor. In the USA, doctors, dentists, vets and non-medical PhDs all qualify with a doctorate, hence the plethora of doctors'. Physicians and surgeons have adopted the style MD to differentiate themselves from other doctors’.
At the same time in the UK, dental surgeons in general dental practice, who also hold a bachelors degree, are now styling themselves Dr. We are uncertain as to the origin of this creeping doctorization.
The derivation of the titles is different; the word doctor derives from the Latin meaning teacher or instructor, and in the 16th century was in common usage to mean any learned man or a medical practitioner. In contrast, the title Mr is a 16th century variant of Master, derived from the Latin, meaning master or teacher. It was Henry VIII in 1540 who gave surgeons the right to be addressed as Master, following the Act of Parliament that united the barbers and surgeons of London.7
[quote]blithe wrote:
I’m a little lazy to dig through 5 pages, but did anyone bring up lawyers and the Juris Doctor? They get the title Esquire, it’s very far from common usage to call them Dr. (although technically correct), and I’d be hard pressed to compare a JD to a PhD, MD, or whatever.[/quote]
Any man can use Esquire after their name to denote that they have no other title. Traditionally it was used to denote a man of the upper gentry who has no title whereas Mr would be for a non titled person from the lower gentry.
And in next week’s etiquette lesson I will be teaching you Americans the correct knives and forks to use for the different courses of your meal 
My degree states, “Doctor of Jurisprudence”. I would not insist on being called “Doctor” I do remind my wife that I am a doctor when I ask to take her temperature.
EDIT: Yes, I did pass the bar and am a licensed attorney (or should I say, “Doctor?”)
I’ve got a JD, and I would never call myself Doctor, even in an academic setting. My professors never did, and I just think it sounds silly.
I always feel like someone with a JD who can’t pass the bar is the kind of person who would call himself Doctor.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
And in next week’s etiquette lesson I will be teaching you Americans the correct knives and forks to use for the different courses of your meal ;-)[/quote]
About fucking time. I been here about a year now and you bastards are still holding out on me.
Shit Steely only told me about cube steak like 4 months ago. You guys need to learn 2 share.
[quote]JLu wrote:
belligerent wrote:
i consider myself a doctor and i never even went to college
I really hope you’re joking.[/quote]
no 4 cereal mang, let me take a look at it
[quote]grrrsauce wrote:
Chiropractors go to medical school and have to pass nationally accredited boards… maybe you should do some reading before you open your mouth.
Just because I don’t know all the cellular and metabolic side-effects of chemotherapy doesn’t mean I am not going to be a “Dr”. But I do know about the wind-up effect of substance P and how the activation of mechanoreceptors blocks the afferent nociceptors thereby reducing inflammation and restoring the body’s natural healing process. If I order diagnostic imaging and see cancer or an abdominal aortic aneurysm I will send them to the specialist they need to see. But if I see an orthopedic injury that can be conservatively managed without drugging some kid or cutting them open and the parents agree with my initial treatment plan… I’m pretty sure they will call me Dr.[/quote]
No, they go to chiropractic school. There are boards for licensing hairdressers and nail technicians as well, it doesn’t really mean a lot. Personally after from my own reading of the studies on the subject, I think chiropractic is pseudoscience. This is as a 3rd year medical student, maybe my mind will change in the future.
Anyway, when I go to see a doctor, dentist, podiatrist, or even someday a chiropractor I call them Dr., because they’ve earned it and that is the role they’re acting in.
Also to throw in my 2 cents about dentists. From knowing people in dental programs, their curriculum seems to include almost everything medical students do in the preclinical years plus all the extra focus on the mouth. They are definitely “real” doctors.
I know two chicks who are dentists. I call them Niki & Fran, except when I am sucking up because I want dinner. Then I lay it on thick and call 'em doc.
my partner has both her PhD and her MD the only time she goes by Dr. is in the hospital w/ patients. her phd was in cell molecular bio and seemed just as challenging as her md., phd’s earn their title as well, it only gets dicey when in a theater or restaurant someone collapses and someone else exclaims,“is their a doctor in the house?” it’s moments as such when non-MD’s are kind of out of their league/element.
sidebar: she makes me call her doctor in the bedroom ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZiiinng, wink wink poke nudge, see what i did there, clever.
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
my partner has both her PhD and her MD the only time she goes by Dr. is in the hospital w/ patients. her phd was in cell molecular bio and seemed just as challenging as her md., phd’s earn their title as well, it only gets dicey when in a theater or restaurant someone collapses and someone else exclaims,“is their a doctor in the house?” it’s moments as such when non-MD’s are kind of out of their league/element.
sidebar: she makes me call her doctor in the bedroom ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZiiinng, wink wink poke nudge, see what i did there, clever. [/quote]
You call her doctor and he comes in the bedroom for an MMF?
[quote]Mattlebee wrote:
cyruseven75 wrote:
my partner has both her PhD and her MD the only time she goes by Dr. is in the hospital w/ patients. her phd was in cell molecular bio and seemed just as challenging as her md., phd’s earn their title as well, it only gets dicey when in a theater or restaurant someone collapses and someone else exclaims,“is their a doctor in the house?” it’s moments as such when non-MD’s are kind of out of their league/element.
sidebar: she makes me call her doctor in the bedroom ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZiiinng, wink wink poke nudge, see what i did there, clever.
You call her doctor and he comes in the bedroom for an MMF?[/quote]
Well played, sir. Well played.
[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
Mr. Jones?
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I’d like to make a correction to my previous statement. I’ll let it slide if someone doesn’t call me a doctor when I get my PhD, but I WILL BITCHSLAP everyone who calls Dr. Jones any one other title!
[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
Mr. Jones?
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I’d like to make a correction to my previous statement. I’ll let it slide if someone doesn’t call me a doctor when I get my PhD, but I WILL BITCHSLAP everyone who calls Dr. Jones any one other title!