The Double-Dose Surge Project

I experienced a little soreness from my leg workout on Friday.It’s Monday and I still have soreness in my quads.Here is the workout I performed on Saturday:

1 serving Surge

Incline Bench Press-4 x 165 x 10,10,8,5
HS High Row-4 x 135 x 12,10,8,8
DB Incline flye-3x35 x 10,10,10*
Stiff arm pulldown-3 x 70 x 12,12,10
Scarecrows 3 x 40 x 12,12,12*

1 serving Surge

Notes;
This was more of a high rep workout for me.I will be able to go up in weight on 2 exercises next time.i would like to say that i am glad to see
a Jason Ferruggia article on T-Nation.If you haven’t gotten his manual “How to get Jacked” you should.

Things fall apart.

Today was to be my ME deadlift day, and the first of a 5x/week squat/dl microcycle. Instead I ripped off most of my callouses, felt some uncomfortable pressure and a slight twinging in my back, and failed to set any PR. I felt out of the groove the whole night. I finally hit the overtraining barrier, which I should have expected, but somehow did not. I felt good these past few days, though nervous the whole day, and yesterday in anticipation. This past week I was sluggish, but getting progressively better and feeling good.

I set up as usual for today, making sure I had my meals in place, and I took a Power Drive/Spike drink combo. This is generally a good combination for me. Because I was feeling a little unusually sluggish most of the day, I followed up with a Spike tablet a bit later, before going. Usually this works pretty well to amp me up when I’m feeling nervous or tired without overdoing it and making me overexcited. The past few weeks doing this kind of shock cycle have apparently sapped me more than I was aware. On the 88% single, I started seeing stars and swaying uncontrollably after I let go. Generally this does not happen to me so soon.

Work up was as follows, 35% 1x6, 1x5, 45% 1x3, 55% 1x3, 65% 1x3, 72% 1x1, 80% 1x1, 88% 1x1, 95% 2xfail on the floor. I then slipped a purple + mini band up and continued to work up–95% 1x1, 102% 1x1, 108% 1x1, 115% 1x1. I should have tripled that last set as I did a few weeks ago, but I didn’t have the energy. All my callouses started ripping around 88% and came off later. Olympic back squats went 50% 1x5,60% 1x5,70% 1x3,80% 1x1, 88% 1x1,94% 1x1,97% fail. Less than ideal workups in both cases. I felt strong and fast in the squat up til the end, so I decided to keep trying for a 103%+ PR. Didn’t happen.

At this point I took stock. I felt like crap, I had no callouses left, my back was feeling pressurized and overworked. So I made a command decision to work into a regular WSB ME day instead of trying to force a high frequency routine this week. Finished off with high rep GMs and high rep weighted back extensions. I’ll be running a regular template from here on.

Surge kept me able to hang out the high rep finishing work. I discovered that I get sick of the sugar after a while and this contributes to my feeling full/sick while working out. Washing my mouth out with water helps, and I’m going to not fill my bottle up so full next time. I also noticed that the 1/2 serving preworkout really keeps my stomach full in a good way, provided don’t mix it with too high a volume of water to make me feel sick.

Many times I start getting very hungry 1/3 to 1/2 the way through my workout, even sipping a 1/2 serving Surge. Doesn’t happen if I front load, so I can keep my focus a lot better without my stomach trying to eat my internal organs away :). For me, this is a big advantage. Front loading also, at least here, made me feel more energized even than the Spike/Power Drive had.

It had already been in my system for about 30min and I’d already noticed it kick in. I noticed another boost with the Surge. Now, that’s not an energy drink boost of energy. I didn’t feel any jolt or “burn”. But I did feel the carb load. Tomorrow will tell whether the Surge helped my CNS recover better at all than just my typical Power Drive scoop PWO.

Needless to say, I’m extremely disappointed. Even though I kept most variables the same as always and rested up, I didn’t break any records, I felt like crap, I obviously overtrained myself even though I felt recovered. I hate to let the readership down, as I had originally committed to 3 ME and 2 DE days at the start of this experiment. These shock cycles have worked well for me in the past. Looks like I need to work more on conditioning and work capacity, and not so much high intensity singles to give me system a break from the CNS drain. Perhaps this will work out better for a Surge experiment anyway.

Started yesterday with BBB. I feel pretty good today, like I could have (should have) pushed harder yesterday. No soreness or fatigue noted. I’ve got the specifics in my blog if anyone cares to follow the bouncing medic. :slight_smile:

As I watched the snow and ice blanket the ground I knew that I was going to have to scrap my plans for a leg training session that day. The idea had been to perform an intense training session on consecutive days and judge Surge’s recovery abilities against all the punishment that I could endure. Now this; a full day of recovery-- Shugart was not going to get away that easy. So I bundled up my little girl, plopped her thirty-five pounds upon the blue, plastic sled and bounded around the landscape for an hour straight. Sled pulls! Pre-fatigued as such, what could even the double Surge do?
Then, the next day-- it happened. I smashed my MP3 player when I was closing the trunk. Now it is going to be at least two more weeks before I would have the extra cash to purchase another. I am pretty sure it was karma getting back at me for that little incident involving my sister’s favorite cactus and my Little Jr. Chemistry set. (Damn you Earl!) I know I will have to listen to some sort of pre-teen favorites, and force my anger inward, actually squeeze motivation from those testosterone sapping songs. Damn the torpedoes-- get mad. Large muscle groups, high volume, and a Spike in the system-- Lactic city here I come!
My workout was going to be a GVT of super-setting squats and RDL’s (Romanian Dead Lifts). 225 for the squats and 205 for the RDL’s, was this too much? I was not sure if I could make all the sets with that weight… but then I knew.
What, could it be? It was! It was! Queensryche’s song “Speak” from Operation Mindcrime was playing over the loudspeakers. I do not believe I have ever heard this song played on the radio anywhere, ever. Where in the hell was I? But it did not matter where I was, all that mattered was that the moment was perfect; I began.
This time that little twinge popped its head up on the fifth set. Oh crap, only half way through and this, could I make it? But now Judas Priest was on the radio, and again I knew.
No problem at all with the squats, but around the seventh set or so of the RDL’s, trying to maintain my grip started to become really taxing on me. I conceded and dropped down to 185 for the remaining sets of RDL’s.
So, after a day of pre-fatiguing followed by a day of 10 sets of 5 reps with 90 seconds rest, but with a double dose of Surge, how did I feel? Kick ass man! My legs felt as used a two-dollar hooker’s mattress, but it was a good used like the Prom Queen kidnapped you for a night of debauchery and left you in the morning kind of used. No hobbling around like Frankenstein’s creature. (It is alive, alive!) Incredible pump, so much that my legs look and feel swollen. Even with all that lactic buildup and the potential for nausea, I had no trouble downing my Surge while lifting. Two days later and still no severe DOMS pains, looks like you have won another round Mr. Shugart. But heed this: do not reside in your corner so smugly, I still have a few more tricks up my sleeve…

Days 2 and 3

Monday: Monday’s session was a little better than my first. I had an easier time getting the second serving of Surge down than on Day 1. There was a much higher training volume for this upper body session than I am usually used to, so I expected to be a little sore the next day, but my soreness is very minimal today.

I did DB Bench presses, BB Rows, Incline Presses, Bodyweight Rows, Internal/External DB Shoulder Rotation, and DB Windmills. Just a little sore around my pecs. I’m pretty sure that the second serving of Surge does have an impact on how sore I am the next day.

Tuesday: Today’s training session was lower body (front squats, RDL’s, and Bulgarian Split Squats, and some ab work at the end). Getting the Surge down was no problem, and my training session was just fine not being very sore from yesterday. Usually, I don’t do two consecutive heavy days, but my current training program is a new exception to that rule. My body is handling it well and I’m sure the Surge is helping out a bit. Even when I do 1 day on, 1 day off, I’m more sore than this.

So, overall, making good progress so far. It’s only been three sessions, but the Surge has been working wonders. My next training days are Thurs. and Fri. I’ll post an update then. Train hard!

-John A. Sifferman NSCA-CPT

I feel completely recovered.I was able to sleep in this morning and this made me feel alot better.I weighed myself before I worked out and the scale read 168.This is up 3 pounds.I will weigh myself at the same time tommorrow to see if this was a accurate weigh-in.Here is my workout for today.

1.Bech Press 3 x 215 x 8,8,7
2,DB Incline Press 3 x 80 x 8,8,6
3.Free Motion press 3 x 70/60/50 x6d
4.DB Scott press 3 x 50 x 10,8,7
5.HS shrugs 3 x 225 x 15
6.Weighted Dips 3 x 45 x 15,12,9
7.Tricep pressdown 3 x 120/110/100drop
15 min.steady state cardio

I had 1 serving Surge plus Supercharge pre-workout and 1 serving of Surge postworkout.I had a high energy level during the workout.I have noticed strentgh increases but I have been manipulating my workouts too much.

Tonight I will determine ecactly what program I will be using for the duration of the project.

The day after–

Woke up today a lot more energized than I had any right to be, considering a large lack of sleep. Feel better than usual today, no nagging sluggishness, mental or otherwise. I feel with it and motivated to max again, even though I know I can’t take any more physically. This is a good sign for me.

Don’t feel very sore at all, which really surprises me, as high rep GMs and especially weighted back extensions always make my legs very sore. The extensions typically make my upper back sore as well, as I hold the bar Zercher style and stretch at the bottom. Nothing to speak of today. Feel about as if I’d had a short feeder workout. I like it a lot.

dlong62969 - Maybe I missed it, but what is Supercharge?

Good workout last night. I felt like I had a little more in me as I went through my sets. I’m also not nearly as sore as I thought I’d be today. It’ll be interesting to see how sore I am tomorrow, because it’s usually the second day that I get real DOMS.

Haven’t posted in a few days, so here goes nothing. School is killing me. I’ve had three midterms and a group project due this week, all of which went very well, but at the expense of some precious recovery time.

I haven’t been able to sleep as much as I should lately (I think I am the only student at my college that values a good night’s sleep), and it’s really starting to take its toll on me. I have still been getting in all my meals and hitting the weights as hard as I can, but my workouts have been sub-par to say the least.

One thing that I have realized from this slump, however, is that pre-workout Surge gives me a much needed energy boost before lifting. I honestly don’t think I’d be able to handle my workouts without it right now.

I saw the Jason Ferruggia’s “Overtraining” article on Monday and thought that I might be overdoing it, but I really don’t think that’s the case. Still, if things don’t get better by next week I am considering working in an unload week, possibly dropping one set per exercise and keeping intensity the same.

Hopefully this is just a temporary slump until I am unable to get back track, but in the meantime I will continue to soldier on and do what I have to do.

[quote]Dan Thompson wrote:
I haven’t been able to sleep as much as I should lately (I think I am the only student at my college that values a good night’s sleep), and it’s really starting to take its toll on me. I have still been getting in all my meals and hitting the weights as hard as I can, but my workouts have been sub-par to say the least.

One thing that I have realized from this slump, however, is that pre-workout Surge gives me a much needed energy boost before lifting. I honestly don’t think I’d be able to handle my workouts without it right now.
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This is a great point… I’m working full time and doing grad school (and therefore not getting as much sleep as I should), plus going hypocaloric to lose some fat… and I felt my energy level actually rising into my workout.

To those having taste issues, or problems getting through their Surge because it’s so sweet during-workout:

I take my first half of Surge mixed normal so I can be sure I’ve had half. Then I refill my shaker bottle all the way, so I am basically drinking slightly water-flavored Surge. That helps me get in enough liquid during workout since I know I have to finish it all, and it’s not going to make me hurl after a set of high intensity deads.

PWO I still make it with a FULL bottle - especially the raspberry - way too shweet on it’s own. Also, I hated the rasp. flavor the first few times, but I started really enjoying it towards the end. Rasp. Cotton candy!

It’s enough water to keep you peeing the rest of the night, but it works and will keep you from having taste issues.

My first report:

Back in the saddle after my push/pull, which went decent. I lifted at 220 all raw and pulled 530…we won’t mention the bench, suffice it to say my bench sucks ass.

I Slugged half a serving and warmed up, sipped the rest during the session, highly diluted, and pounded another serving after. To give an idea of the kind of training I’m doing, here’s today’s session:

Bench Press (2-sec. pause on chest) 135x5, 185x5, 205x5, 225x5, 245x5, 265x2x3, 245x5
Bench Press (5-sec. pause on chest) 185x5, 205x5, 225x3x4
Press-behind-neck 3x10,10,6
Semi-Sup Pullups 30 reps over several sets
Overhead Shrugs

The way I’ve used training drinks before is to sip them over the course of the session, so what’s new for me is adding a serving at the end. We’ll see. While I’m doing this ‘project’ I’ll post my training in my blog for anyone who cares.

Chris, I was wondering I know you’ve mentioned that an hour before you take your first sip of Surge pre-workout that you eat a protein+fat meal. What types of meals are you eating at this time? Obviously, I know this is an individual preference thing but just curious as to what your eating for some ideas.

How is it going guys?

[quote]nephorm wrote:

This is a great point… I’m working full time and doing grad school (and therefore not getting as much sleep as I should), plus going hypocaloric to lose some fat… and I felt my energy level actually rising into my workout. [/quote]

That’s exactly what I was trying to ramble about earlier. Even though I felt out of the groove lifting wise, and significantly more jittery than usual on my spike combo, my energy levels rose noticeably (different from the buzz of spike already in me) just before and during the first half of my workout. It was nice.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
How is it going guys? [/quote]

Pete:

My initial assessment is that I believe a PWO drink during and after a workout will become a staple for any serious weightlifter’s regimen. Just as the benefits of creatine, protein, healthy fats, etc. have become “fact” I believe the same will occur with the Surge project. And since I know you are curious, I believe this protocol is essential for anyone “on cycle.” We are still testing though, so we will keep you posted.

DOMS is definitely less than I expected on day two.

Up 1.4 lbs. since beginning the Surge experiment. Likely due to added glycogen storage from the double dosing protocol. Fat gain is very minimal.

Still having excellent recovery from workout to workout. Between doing Waterbury’s SFM, additional cardio via traditional sessions 1-2x/week as well as participating with the boys at soccer practices, I am increasing in strength every workout, and have virtually no soreness.

I’m even getting used to Raspberry. Having said that, however, it won’t replace original formula as my favorite flavor anytime soon. It’s alright, though. Best of all, it’s FREE!

[quote]nephorm wrote:
DOMS is definitely less than I expected on day two.[/quote]

Right. My soreness generally peaks at 48-72 hrs for lower body. My hams were workable today for my upper body workout. A lot of times they have trouble supporting rowing weight because of soreness and stiffness. No such thing today, hardly felt them.