The difference between Catholicism and Christianity

[pat]

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

It’s not weird at all. My daughter has a tiny toe that I try to kiss all the time…
She’s very cute already. She’s going to have you wrapped around her little fingers… Enjoy every second.[/quote]

So what are your thoughts on infant communion?[/quote]

Well, they’d probably choke on it so off hand I would not recommend it. Other than the obvious, they don’t need to worry about the sacrament until they are a little older and can understand the sacrament a little bit. They have to receive first reconciliation before they can receive communion.
So they have to have a grasp on right and wrong and repentance before they are ready for communion. They go hand-in-hand.

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

It’s not weird at all. My daughter has a tiny toe that I try to kiss all the time…
She’s very cute already. She’s going to have you wrapped around her little fingers… Enjoy every second.[/quote]

So what are your thoughts on infant communion?[/quote]

Well, they’d probably choke on it so off hand I would not recommend it. Other than the obvious, they don’t need to worry about the sacrament until they are a little older and can understand the sacrament a little bit. They have to receive first reconciliation before they can receive communion.
So they have to have a grasp on right and wrong and repentance before they are ready for communion. They go hand-in-hand. [/quote]

To the best of my research ability though, Apostolic tradition is to commune babies (when they can swallow solid food). And the Eastern Catholics have always done it. I have the notion that I can vouch her repentance the same way I would accept for her in baptism. And that the miracle of the holy spirit can move even an infant to a simple version of faith and even repentance the same way it does in adults.

[SexMachine]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Why were the books of Maccabees not included in any of the Protestant bibles? Were they redacted by King James’ scribes or much earlier? And if so why?

Also, wouldn’t you agree that Ecclesiastes is steeped in the Greek(gentile) philosophy of Stoicism? Considering myself a Stoic(not as a religion) from an early age, I was thoroughly shocked at its likeness to Zeno of Citium and his followers’ world view.

I would go as far to say that without Ecclesiastes and maybe Job and parts of Proverbs my faith would not be as strong. [/quote]

If my understanding is correct it’s because the earliest sources of those books were in greek and considered of ‘dubious origin’. Not being able to reconcile the original documents was why they left them out.
Or it was a merely subjective thing. Martin Luther did want to leave out the Epistle of James. But cooler heads prevailed, fortunately. Yes, I agree Maccabees was an pretty important OT document to leave out. Especially since it is referenced by other OT documents that were left in.[/quote]

They had a pretty good first hand account from Josephus though.

[dpcavana]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]dpcavana wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Pat, or other Catholics, I?d be interested to get your perspective on infant baptism and communion. I know the Catholic Church is split on communion. Do you know what the Papal directive is on these issues?

FYI: I have a little girl on the way so I?ve been researching and as a result have completely done a 180 on the issue. I?m now in favor of both. Both seem to trace their roots back to at least 140 AD and I have a number of theological reasons now for supporting them. But would appreciate your take on it.[/quote]

Baptism - Catholic doctrine is that everybody is born with original sin and therefore babies must be baptised to ‘wash away the sin’. Not sure where this came from but it is not taught in the Scriptures.

Communion - Both Catholics and Protestants practice the sacrement of Communion however Catholics believe that the small white cracker and the wine are ACTUALLY transformed into the ACTUAL FLESH AND BLOOD Jesus through a miracle during the celebration of the Catholic Mass.

Protestants believe that the communion cracker and the wine or grape juice are REPRESENTATIVE of the flesh and blood of Jesus. [/quote]

I would respectfully ask that you refrain from the term ‘cracker’ as it is offensive to us Catholics who do believe in the Transubstantiation. It’s ok if you think we are nuts.[/quote]

How is it offensive? I didn’t call you a cracker. That truely would be offensive. And by the way I am a Catholic who beleives Transubstantiation takes place during the Catholic Mass and received First Communion back when the Mass was still in Latin.

I could have used the term ‘communion host’ which probably every Catholic here would understand but might not have been understood by protestants or non christians. In fact the communion host is a cracker, a piece of unlevened bread, a bread wafer, before the Transubstantiation takes place.

[countingbeans]

Daughters are the best. Congrats

[pat]

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

It’s not weird at all. My daughter has a tiny toe that I try to kiss all the time…
She’s very cute already. She’s going to have you wrapped around her little fingers… Enjoy every second.[/quote]

So what are your thoughts on infant communion?[/quote]

Well, they’d probably choke on it so off hand I would not recommend it. Other than the obvious, they don’t need to worry about the sacrament until they are a little older and can understand the sacrament a little bit. They have to receive first reconciliation before they can receive communion.
So they have to have a grasp on right and wrong and repentance before they are ready for communion. They go hand-in-hand. [/quote]

To the best of my research ability though, Apostolic tradition is to commune babies (when they can swallow solid food). And the Eastern Catholics have always done it. I have the notion that I can vouch her repentance the same way I would accept for her in baptism. And that the miracle of the holy spirit can move even an infant to a simple version of faith and even repentance the same way it does in adults.[/quote]

Hmm, well I cannot speak for the Eastern Orthodox traditions if they give Communion to babies or little children I don’t know I would have to research.
My opinion on it is not strong. I don’t have a good case against doing it, personally. It’s not Roman Catholic tradition because Communion and Reconciliation are linked and I am fine with that.

[pat]

[quote]dpcavana wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]dpcavana wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Pat, or other Catholics, I?d be interested to get your perspective on infant baptism and communion. I know the Catholic Church is split on communion. Do you know what the Papal directive is on these issues?

FYI: I have a little girl on the way so I?ve been researching and as a result have completely done a 180 on the issue. I?m now in favor of both. Both seem to trace their roots back to at least 140 AD and I have a number of theological reasons now for supporting them. But would appreciate your take on it.[/quote]

Baptism - Catholic doctrine is that everybody is born with original sin and therefore babies must be baptised to ‘wash away the sin’. Not sure where this came from but it is not taught in the Scriptures.

Communion - Both Catholics and Protestants practice the sacrement of Communion however Catholics believe that the small white cracker and the wine are ACTUALLY transformed into the ACTUAL FLESH AND BLOOD Jesus through a miracle during the celebration of the Catholic Mass.

Protestants believe that the communion cracker and the wine or grape juice are REPRESENTATIVE of the flesh and blood of Jesus. [/quote]

I would respectfully ask that you refrain from the term ‘cracker’ as it is offensive to us Catholics who do believe in the Transubstantiation. It’s ok if you think we are nuts.[/quote]

How is it offensive? I didn’t call you a cracker. That truely would be offensive. And by the way I am a Catholic who beleives Transubstantiation takes place during the Catholic Mass and received First Communion back when the Mass was still in Latin.

I could have used the term ‘communion host’ which probably every Catholic here would understand but might not have been understood by protestants or non christians. In fact the communion host is a cracker, a piece of unlevened bread, a bread wafer, before the Transubstantiation takes place. [/quote]

I don’t actually care if you called me a Cracker. But fair enough, if you mean nothing bad by it then that’s cool. I don’t want to harp on semantics, it just sounded bad to me. Maybe I was just being over sensitive?

[dpcavana]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]dpcavana wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]dpcavana wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Pat, or other Catholics, I?d be interested to get your perspective on infant baptism and communion. I know the Catholic Church is split on communion. Do you know what the Papal directive is on these issues?

FYI: I have a little girl on the way so I?ve been researching and as a result have completely done a 180 on the issue. I?m now in favor of both. Both seem to trace their roots back to at least 140 AD and I have a number of theological reasons now for supporting them. But would appreciate your take on it.[/quote]

Baptism - Catholic doctrine is that everybody is born with original sin and therefore babies must be baptised to ‘wash away the sin’. Not sure where this came from but it is not taught in the Scriptures.

Communion - Both Catholics and Protestants practice the sacrement of Communion however Catholics believe that the small white cracker and the wine are ACTUALLY transformed into the ACTUAL FLESH AND BLOOD Jesus through a miracle during the celebration of the Catholic Mass.

Protestants believe that the communion cracker and the wine or grape juice are REPRESENTATIVE of the flesh and blood of Jesus. [/quote]

I would respectfully ask that you refrain from the term ‘cracker’ as it is offensive to us Catholics who do believe in the Transubstantiation. It’s ok if you think we are nuts.[/quote]

How is it offensive? I didn’t call you a cracker. That truely would be offensive. And by the way I am a Catholic who beleives Transubstantiation takes place during the Catholic Mass and received First Communion back when the Mass was still in Latin.

I could have used the term ‘communion host’ which probably every Catholic here would understand but might not have been understood by protestants or non christians. In fact the communion host is a cracker, a piece of unlevened bread, a bread wafer, before the Transubstantiation takes place. [/quote]

I don’t actually care if you called me a Cracker. But fair enough, if you mean nothing bad by it then that’s cool. I don’t want to harp on semantics, it just sounded bad to me. Maybe I was just being over sensitive?[/quote]

Me either. The supposed racial slur ‘Cracker’ was started by British land owners and was directed at Scotts-Irish workers who were fond of drinking and telling tall tales. A tall tale was at that time a ‘cracker’. Blacks picked it up thinking that it was an offensive term for white people.

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

It’s not weird at all. My daughter has a tiny toe that I try to kiss all the time…
She’s very cute already. She’s going to have you wrapped around her little fingers… Enjoy every second.[/quote]

So what are your thoughts on infant communion?[/quote]

Well, they’d probably choke on it so off hand I would not recommend it. Other than the obvious, they don’t need to worry about the sacrament until they are a little older and can understand the sacrament a little bit. They have to receive first reconciliation before they can receive communion.
So they have to have a grasp on right and wrong and repentance before they are ready for communion. They go hand-in-hand. [/quote]

To the best of my research ability though, Apostolic tradition is to commune babies (when they can swallow solid food). And the Eastern Catholics have always done it. I have the notion that I can vouch her repentance the same way I would accept for her in baptism. And that the miracle of the holy spirit can move even an infant to a simple version of faith and even repentance the same way it does in adults.[/quote]

Hmm, well I cannot speak for the Eastern Orthodox traditions if they give Communion to babies or little children I don’t know I would have to research.
My opinion on it is not strong. I don’t have a good case against doing it, personally. It’s not Roman Catholic tradition because Communion and Reconciliation are linked and I am fine with that. [/quote]

I have an appointment set up with my rector to talk about it.

[pat]

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

It’s not weird at all. My daughter has a tiny toe that I try to kiss all the time…
She’s very cute already. She’s going to have you wrapped around her little fingers… Enjoy every second.[/quote]

So what are your thoughts on infant communion?[/quote]

Well, they’d probably choke on it so off hand I would not recommend it. Other than the obvious, they don’t need to worry about the sacrament until they are a little older and can understand the sacrament a little bit. They have to receive first reconciliation before they can receive communion.
So they have to have a grasp on right and wrong and repentance before they are ready for communion. They go hand-in-hand. [/quote]

To the best of my research ability though, Apostolic tradition is to commune babies (when they can swallow solid food). And the Eastern Catholics have always done it. I have the notion that I can vouch her repentance the same way I would accept for her in baptism. And that the miracle of the holy spirit can move even an infant to a simple version of faith and even repentance the same way it does in adults.[/quote]

Hmm, well I cannot speak for the Eastern Orthodox traditions if they give Communion to babies or little children I don’t know I would have to research.
My opinion on it is not strong. I don’t have a good case against doing it, personally. It’s not Roman Catholic tradition because Communion and Reconciliation are linked and I am fine with that. [/quote]

I have an appointment set up with my rector to talk about it. [/quote]

I be interested in a summary of the discussion, of course meaning the non-personal stuff.