The Democrat Debate

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

You and I must define “embraced” very differently. [/quote]

Can you cite the debate transcript to show that she is hostile to the model?

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

You and I must define “embraced” very differently. [/quote]

Can you cite the debate transcript to show that she is hostile to the model?
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She was talking about saving capitalism from itself and redistributing wealth. That’s not exactly embracing the model.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

You and I must define “embraced” very differently. [/quote]

Can you cite the debate transcript to show that she is hostile to the model?
[/quote]

She was talking about saving capitalism from itself and redistributing wealth. That’s not exactly embracing the model. [/quote]

Did you watch the debate in full? Yes, from one of its periodic moments of self-doubt and its occasional self-destructive excesses. Wealth redistribution? Not quite. She expressed concerned about stagnant real wages and a growing disparity in wealth distribution, both of which are issues that free-market capitalism concerns itself with. Again, it would be helpful if you cited the transcript.

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

She defends capitalism to sound good to her donor class at wall street. Hillary is a fan of crony capitalism and wants to assure that her friends will receive the special treatment they pay for.

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

She defends capitalism to sound good to her donor class at wall street. Hillary is a fan of crony capitalism and wants to assure that her friends will receive the special treatment they pay for.
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Agreed. Hillary is no socialist. She loves capitalism, specifically a certain (nefarious) kind.

But more broadly (not directed at you specifically), the only socialist on stage was Bernie. Despite what the libertarian manual/coloring book says, the world doesn’t cleave into capitalism and socialism with no points in between.

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

You and I must define “embraced” very differently. [/quote]

Can you cite the debate transcript to show that she is hostile to the model?
[/quote]

She was talking about saving capitalism from itself and redistributing wealth. That’s not exactly embracing the model. [/quote]

Did you watch the debate in full? Yes, from one of its periodic moments of self-doubt and its occasional self-destructive excesses. Wealth redistribution? Not quite. She expressed concerned about stagnant real wages and a growing disparity in wealth distribution, both of which are issues that free-market capitalism concerns itself with. Again, it would be helpful if you cited the transcript.[/quote]

You can’t be serious… You aren’t serious, right?

"BASH: Carly Fiorina, the first female CEO of a Fortune 50 company, argues, if the government requires paid leave, it will force small businesses to, quote, â??hire fewer people and create fewer jobs.â?? What do you say not only to Carly Fiorina, but also a small-business owner out there who says, you know, I like this idea, but I just canâ??t afford it?

CLINTON: Well, Iâ??m surprised she says that, because California has had a paid leave program for a number of years. And itâ??s…

BASH: Itâ??s on the federal level.

CLINTON: Well, but all â?? well, on a state level, a state as big as many countries in the world. And it has not had the ill effects that the Republicans are always saying it will have. And I think this is â?? this is typical Republican scare tactics. We can design a system and pay for it that does not put the burden on small businesses. I remember as a young mother, you know, having a baby wake up who was sick and Iâ??m supposed to be in court, because I was practicing law. I know what itâ??s like. And I think we need to recognize the incredible challenges that so many parents face, particularly working moms. I see my good friend, Senator Gillibrand, in the front row. Sheâ??s been a champion of this. We need to get a consensus through this campaign, which is why Iâ??m talking about it everywhere I go, and we need to join the rest of the advanced world in having it.

BASH: But Secretary â?? Secretary Clinton, even many people who agree with you might say, look, this is very hard to do, especially in todayâ??s day and age. There are so many people who say, â??Really? Another government program? Is that what youâ??re proposing? And at the expense of taxpayer money?â??

CLINTON: Well, look, you know, when people say that â?? itâ??s always the Republicans or their sympathizers who say, â??You canâ??t have paid leave, you canâ??t provide health care.â?? They donâ??t mind having big government to interfere with a womanâ??s right to choose and to try to take down Planned Parenthood. Theyâ??re fine with big government when it comes to that. Iâ??m sick of it. (APPLAUSE) You know, we can do these things.

(APPLAUSE)

We should not be paralyzed â?? we should not be paralyzed by the Republicans and their constant refrain, â??big government this, big government that,â?? that except for what they want to impose on the American people. I know we can afford it, because weâ??re going to make the wealthy pay for it. That is the way to get it done."

That was a whole bunch of crap to basically say, “I’ll pay for all this by redistributing wealth.”

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

You and I must define “embraced” very differently. [/quote]

Can you cite the debate transcript to show that she is hostile to the model?
[/quote]

She was talking about saving capitalism from itself and redistributing wealth. That’s not exactly embracing the model. [/quote]

Did you watch the debate in full? Yes, from one of its periodic moments of self-doubt and its occasional self-destructive excesses. Wealth redistribution? Not quite. She expressed concerned about stagnant real wages and a growing disparity in wealth distribution, both of which are issues that free-market capitalism concerns itself with. Again, it would be helpful if you cited the transcript.[/quote]

C’mon man, you’re smarter than this. Obamacare and !Free! college IS de facto redistribution of wealth.[/quote]

The dreaded Fox News even hooked us up with a meme…

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

You and I must define “embraced” very differently. [/quote]

Can you cite the debate transcript to show that she is hostile to the model?
[/quote]

She was talking about saving capitalism from itself and redistributing wealth. That’s not exactly embracing the model. [/quote]

Did you watch the debate in full? Yes, from one of its periodic moments of self-doubt and its occasional self-destructive excesses. Wealth redistribution? Not quite. She expressed concerned about stagnant real wages and a growing disparity in wealth distribution, both of which are issues that free-market capitalism concerns itself with. Again, it would be helpful if you cited the transcript.[/quote]

You can’t be serious… You aren’t serious, right?

"BASH: Carly Fiorina, the first female CEO of a Fortune 50 company, argues, if the government requires paid leave, it will force small businesses to, quote, â??hire fewer people and create fewer jobs.â?? What do you say not only to Carly Fiorina, but also a small-business owner out there who says, you know, I like this idea, but I just canâ??t afford it?

CLINTON: Well, Iâ??m surprised she says that, because California has had a paid leave program for a number of years. And itâ??s…

BASH: Itâ??s on the federal level.

CLINTON: Well, but all â?? well, on a state level, a state as big as many countries in the world. And it has not had the ill effects that the Republicans are always saying it will have. And I think this is â?? this is typical Republican scare tactics. We can design a system and pay for it that does not put the burden on small businesses. I remember as a young mother, you know, having a baby wake up who was sick and Iâ??m supposed to be in court, because I was practicing law. I know what itâ??s like. And I think we need to recognize the incredible challenges that so many parents face, particularly working moms. I see my good friend, Senator Gillibrand, in the front row. Sheâ??s been a champion of this. We need to get a consensus through this campaign, which is why Iâ??m talking about it everywhere I go, and we need to join the rest of the advanced world in having it.

BASH: But Secretary â?? Secretary Clinton, even many people who agree with you might say, look, this is very hard to do, especially in todayâ??s day and age. There are so many people who say, â??Really? Another government program? Is that what youâ??re proposing? And at the expense of taxpayer money?â??

CLINTON: Well, look, you know, when people say that â?? itâ??s always the Republicans or their sympathizers who say, â??You canâ??t have paid leave, you canâ??t provide health care.â?? They donâ??t mind having big government to interfere with a womanâ??s right to choose and to try to take down Planned Parenthood. Theyâ??re fine with big government when it comes to that. Iâ??m sick of it. (APPLAUSE) You know, we can do these things.

(APPLAUSE)

We should not be paralyzed â?? we should not be paralyzed by the Republicans and their constant refrain, â??big government this, big government that,â?? that except for what they want to impose on the American people. I know we can afford it, because weâ??re going to make the wealthy pay for it. That is the way to get it done."

That was a whole bunch of crap to basically say, “I’ll pay for all this by redistributing wealth.”

[/quote]

I feel a fancy chart or graphic is in our future.

Just a couple of companies leaving CA Farmer Brothers,Toyota, Raytheon, eBay, Occidental Petroleum. They tell a different story to the B.S. that clinton spews.

[quote]Rednose wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

You and I must define “embraced” very differently. [/quote]

Can you cite the debate transcript to show that she is hostile to the model?
[/quote]

She was talking about saving capitalism from itself and redistributing wealth. That’s not exactly embracing the model. [/quote]

Did you watch the debate in full? Yes, from one of its periodic moments of self-doubt and its occasional self-destructive excesses. Wealth redistribution? Not quite. She expressed concerned about stagnant real wages and a growing disparity in wealth distribution, both of which are issues that free-market capitalism concerns itself with. Again, it would be helpful if you cited the transcript.[/quote]

You can’t be serious… You aren’t serious, right?

"BASH: Carly Fiorina, the first female CEO of a Fortune 50 company, argues, if the government requires paid leave, it will force small businesses to, quote, �¢??hire fewer people and create fewer jobs.�¢?? What do you say not only to Carly Fiorina, but also a small-business owner out there who says, you know, I like this idea, but I just can�¢??t afford it?

CLINTON: Well, IÃ?¢??m surprised she says that, because California has had a paid leave program for a number of years. And itÃ?¢??s…

BASH: It�¢??s on the federal level.

CLINTON: Well, but all �¢?? well, on a state level, a state as big as many countries in the world. And it has not had the ill effects that the Republicans are always saying it will have. And I think this is �¢?? this is typical Republican scare tactics. We can design a system and pay for it that does not put the burden on small businesses. I remember as a young mother, you know, having a baby wake up who was sick and I�¢??m supposed to be in court, because I was practicing law. I know what it�¢??s like. And I think we need to recognize the incredible challenges that so many parents face, particularly working moms. I see my good friend, Senator Gillibrand, in the front row. She�¢??s been a champion of this. We need to get a consensus through this campaign, which is why I�¢??m talking about it everywhere I go, and we need to join the rest of the advanced world in having it.

BASH: But Secretary �¢?? Secretary Clinton, even many people who agree with you might say, look, this is very hard to do, especially in today�¢??s day and age. There are so many people who say, �¢??Really? Another government program? Is that what you�¢??re proposing? And at the expense of taxpayer money?�¢??

CLINTON: Well, look, you know, when people say that �¢?? it�¢??s always the Republicans or their sympathizers who say, �¢??You can�¢??t have paid leave, you can�¢??t provide health care.�¢?? They don�¢??t mind having big government to interfere with a woman�¢??s right to choose and to try to take down Planned Parenthood. They�¢??re fine with big government when it comes to that. I�¢??m sick of it. (APPLAUSE) You know, we can do these things.

(APPLAUSE)

We should not be paralyzed �¢?? we should not be paralyzed by the Republicans and their constant refrain, �¢??big government this, big government that,�¢?? that except for what they want to impose on the American people. I know we can afford it, because we�¢??re going to make the wealthy pay for it. That is the way to get it done."

That was a whole bunch of crap to basically say, “I’ll pay for all this by redistributing wealth.”

[/quote]

I feel a fancy chart or graphic is in our future.

Just a couple of companies leaving CA Farmer Brothers,Toyota, Raytheon, eBay, Occidental Petroleum. They tell a different story to the B.S. that clinton spews.
[/quote]

Yup. This is interesting if you’re into this sort of thing:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

You and I must define “embraced” very differently. [/quote]

Can you cite the debate transcript to show that she is hostile to the model?
[/quote]

She was talking about saving capitalism from itself and redistributing wealth. That’s not exactly embracing the model. [/quote]

Did you watch the debate in full? Yes, from one of its periodic moments of self-doubt and its occasional self-destructive excesses. Wealth redistribution? Not quite. She expressed concerned about stagnant real wages and a growing disparity in wealth distribution, both of which are issues that free-market capitalism concerns itself with. Again, it would be helpful if you cited the transcript.[/quote]

C’mon man, you’re smarter than this. Obamacare and !Free! college IS de facto redistribution of wealth.[/quote]

I am living proof that those policies are exactly that. My health insurance has gone up 50% in the last 2 years because of Obamacare. I know this because the insurance company told us the rate hike was directly the result of Obamacare in the letter discussing the rate hike. Otherwise I would have been just guessing. My taxes went up 20% in the last year. Literally, 20%. Not an exaggeration.
Funny I don’t feel rich, but according to the government, I am Gordon Gekko.

[quote]Rednose wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lmao @ the D party now bragging about being fucking commies, and half the country is going to vote for this shit.

People are dumb, and hate freedom I guess. [/quote]

Bernie Sander and his supporters are socialists, not communists.

Yet HRC defended and embraced capitalism Tuesday night. [/quote]

You and I must define “embraced” very differently. [/quote]

Can you cite the debate transcript to show that she is hostile to the model?
[/quote]

She was talking about saving capitalism from itself and redistributing wealth. That’s not exactly embracing the model. [/quote]

Did you watch the debate in full? Yes, from one of its periodic moments of self-doubt and its occasional self-destructive excesses. Wealth redistribution? Not quite. She expressed concerned about stagnant real wages and a growing disparity in wealth distribution, both of which are issues that free-market capitalism concerns itself with. Again, it would be helpful if you cited the transcript.[/quote]

You can’t be serious… You aren’t serious, right?

"BASH: Carly Fiorina, the first female CEO of a Fortune 50 company, argues, if the government requires paid leave, it will force small businesses to, quote, �¢??hire fewer people and create fewer jobs.�¢?? What do you say not only to Carly Fiorina, but also a small-business owner out there who says, you know, I like this idea, but I just can�¢??t afford it?

CLINTON: Well, IÃ?¢??m surprised she says that, because California has had a paid leave program for a number of years. And itÃ?¢??s…

BASH: It�¢??s on the federal level.

CLINTON: Well, but all �¢?? well, on a state level, a state as big as many countries in the world. And it has not had the ill effects that the Republicans are always saying it will have. And I think this is �¢?? this is typical Republican scare tactics. We can design a system and pay for it that does not put the burden on small businesses. I remember as a young mother, you know, having a baby wake up who was sick and I�¢??m supposed to be in court, because I was practicing law. I know what it�¢??s like. And I think we need to recognize the incredible challenges that so many parents face, particularly working moms. I see my good friend, Senator Gillibrand, in the front row. She�¢??s been a champion of this. We need to get a consensus through this campaign, which is why I�¢??m talking about it everywhere I go, and we need to join the rest of the advanced world in having it.

BASH: But Secretary �¢?? Secretary Clinton, even many people who agree with you might say, look, this is very hard to do, especially in today�¢??s day and age. There are so many people who say, �¢??Really? Another government program? Is that what you�¢??re proposing? And at the expense of taxpayer money?�¢??

CLINTON: Well, look, you know, when people say that �¢?? it�¢??s always the Republicans or their sympathizers who say, �¢??You can�¢??t have paid leave, you can�¢??t provide health care.�¢?? They don�¢??t mind having big government to interfere with a woman�¢??s right to choose and to try to take down Planned Parenthood. They�¢??re fine with big government when it comes to that. I�¢??m sick of it. (APPLAUSE) You know, we can do these things.

(APPLAUSE)

We should not be paralyzed �¢?? we should not be paralyzed by the Republicans and their constant refrain, �¢??big government this, big government that,�¢?? that except for what they want to impose on the American people. I know we can afford it, because we�¢??re going to make the wealthy pay for it. That is the way to get it done."

That was a whole bunch of crap to basically say, “I’ll pay for all this by redistributing wealth.”

[/quote]

I feel a fancy chart or graphic is in our future.

Just a couple of companies leaving CA Farmer Brothers,Toyota, Raytheon, eBay, Occidental Petroleum. They tell a different story to the B.S. that clinton spews.
[/quote]

It’s only getting worse, as California just passed a law that 50% of electricity comes from green energy sources, and the gas tax is going up 12 cents. Vehicle registration and fees for electric cars will rise by $100.

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
That was a debate? It looked more like a socialist love-fest.
Next time I am going to play PC lingo bingo. Every time you hear some PC horseshit like ‘Income inequality’, ‘Black lives matter’, ‘immigration reform’, ‘women’s health’, etc. you get a square.

You’re prize is to be deprived of your freedom, your rights and your money all while having to tolerate other people’s bullshit who refuse to tolerate you. And you get to be labeled a ‘bigot’ by people who claim to detest labels. [/quote]

I think it shows how far left the democrats have gone… although they would probably say the same about republicans. There was nobody who could even be close to a moderate on the stage, and past positions held by democrats have all flip flopped to the far left. Socialism love-fest indeed.

As I said to Zeb in a different thread, I think this gives Republicans a big opportunity to win over moderate democrats and independents.[/quote]

I agree the center of the left has moved more left.

Yes, the Republicans have a huge opportunity because the democrats are hedging their bets on farther left ideals. I don’t believe the country has moved that much.
The problem is that the current crop of republicans have managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again.
The other problem with the GOP is their best selling point right now is that they are not democrats. They need a better message.
The democrats are vulnerable this year. If the republicans can put up a decent candidate, we have a good chance of beating Hillary.

Trump is not it. I am pretty sure he will fade. As much as we bitch about career politicians we want a skilled politician in the WH. Politicians can get things done, in any climate. I want an inside the beltway candidate.

[quote]pat wrote:
Trump is not it. I am pretty sure he will fade. As much as we bitch about career politicians we want a skilled politician in the WH. Politicians can get things done, in any climate. I want an inside the beltway candidate.[/quote]

I like Kasich for the simple fact that he has balanced the federal budget before and has a solid fiscal track record. He’s a moderate, without question, but imo the state of the economy; the debt, the deficit, the fiscal gap, unemployment, etc… are the greatest current threat to America.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Trump is not it. I am pretty sure he will fade. As much as we bitch about career politicians we want a skilled politician in the WH. Politicians can get things done, in any climate. I want an inside the beltway candidate.[/quote]

I like Kasich for the simple fact that he has balanced the federal budget before and has a solid fiscal track record. He’s a moderate, without question, but imo the state of the economy; the debt, the deficit, the fiscal gap, unemployment, etc… are the greatest current threat to America.
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wrong. It’s climate change.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Trump is not it. I am pretty sure he will fade. As much as we bitch about career politicians we want a skilled politician in the WH. Politicians can get things done, in any climate. I want an inside the beltway candidate.[/quote]

I like Kasich for the simple fact that he has balanced the federal budget before and has a solid fiscal track record. He’s a moderate, without question, but imo the state of the economy; the debt, the deficit, the fiscal gap, unemployment, etc… are the greatest current threat to America.
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I agree and hope Kasich is on the ticket but unfortunately I don’t think other Republican primary voters will think the same.

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Trump is not it. I am pretty sure he will fade. As much as we bitch about career politicians we want a skilled politician in the WH. Politicians can get things done, in any climate. I want an inside the beltway candidate.[/quote]

I like Kasich for the simple fact that he has balanced the federal budget before and has a solid fiscal track record. He’s a moderate, without question, but imo the state of the economy; the debt, the deficit, the fiscal gap, unemployment, etc… are the greatest current threat to America.
[/quote]

wrong. It’s climate change.[/quote]

Don’t ground my gears!

There is no evidence that Trump will fade, Trump and Carson have 50% of the Republican vote between the two of them. The rest are oatmeal candidates making up single digit numbers.

This election will be different than ones from the past, because the “fuck the establishment” sentiment is the key theme among both parties. Trump and Bernie are the fuck you vote, and they are doing well because the disgust for the same recycled politicians we have come to see. You can thank Mr. Hopey-Changey for this effect.

Before the screams for moderates begins, ask Romney how well that went.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There is no evidence that Trump will fade, Trump and Carson have 50% of the Republican vote between the two of them. The rest are oatmeal candidates making up single digit numbers.

This election will be different than ones from the past, because the “fuck the establishment” sentiment is the key theme among both parties. Trump and Bernie are the fuck you vote, and they are doing well because the disgust for the same recycled politicians we have come to see. You can thank Mr. Hopey-Changey for this effect.

Before the screams for moderates begins, ask Romney how well that went.[/quote]

In my opinion Romney would’ve beat any of the Democratic candidates currently running for office.

Say what you will about Obama, he can campaign, he speaks well, and he got black voters to turn out. None of those things leads to good policy decisions, but they can get you elected.