Okay I get your point, but I think it shouldn’t be a taboo topic. There should be more open dialogue and education (actual sex Ed) which has been shown to decrease the risk of said social/health consequences
Part of that education should include a caveat about the social and health consequences of casual sex and porn etc, but sexual activity shouldn’t be demonized
Yes
Abstinence only sex education (well established, thorough body of data backs this) leads to more teen pregnancy, STD transmission, more kids having sex at younger ages and more babies out of wedlock
However there’s a difference between teaching someone what sex/comdoms are and how to avoid STD’s, informing of potential consequences associated with haphazard sexual relations vs engaging in a talk telling young people to screw around because it’s harmless if you use contraception (because it isn’t… there is always a risk from a psychosocial standpoint).
Where is this done? I mean, it is and has been done in certain places at certain times, but not only has sex in America not been demonized for all of my living years, but sexuality is plastered all over the place! And this was especially true in the 90’s and early aughts, all over the place, as I said months back, in films (especially “sex comedies” like Hardbodies, American Pie Porky’s, Revenge of the Nerds, etc.), magazines (even mainstream Sports Illustrated), advertising, Super Bowl halftime, music, Soap operas (where seemingly everyone is screwing everyone), day-time talk shows, and so on, and so on.
Considering you know of places where it is demonized in the current day (I don’t), how do the demonizers reason considering it is necessary for pregnancy and a normal marriage? Withholding sex is actually grounds for at-fault divorce.
In China, topics like masturbation is considered strictly off limits and in certain areas (although much less common now), sex before marriage for girls would bring disgrace to the girl and her family.
The US is interesting IMO. There’s so much cultural diversity. On the one hand, there’s extreme openness, on the other hand, there’s pockets of extreme conservatism
Is that the demonization of sex entirely? How did they reach a population of over one billion then?
Well no. When I say demonization, I don’t mean “lack of”. I mean they there are very strict guidelines and a lot of shame/hiding . Just as drugs such as cocaine are demonized (seen as bad) but there is still quite a robust market.
This is actually a big issue for women’s rights in China. Sex crimes are rarely prosecuted bc the woman always gets blamed for being promiscuous and “asking for it”
Does this include social oversight of who does who?
What do you mean?
You mentioned guidelines. I was thinking that might include parental oversight in who pairs up with who for relationships and marriage (eg, approval from woman’s father). Is that the case, or are there other guidelines?
Ahh, sort of (informally)
It’s mostly based on wealth (or ethnicity if the child is living internationally). I feel like this is the case in most societies, but in China, most “kids” still listen to their parents when it comes to finding a partner.
This has less to do with sex specifically
Also, homosexuality is still considered a mental illness in most of China. It’s not uncommon for a child to be disowned for coming out as gay or lesbian. Although, this is by no means unique to China/Asia
Brutal. Partly or mostly men’s fault though (though my reasoning for this fault hasn’t been popular).
honestly, I blame porn for this
That is just one reason in the lengthy list I provided months ago.
@anna_5588 I found the lengthy quotes list above from months ago. I’ll add a tenth point: importation of large numbers of young men into Western countries, significantly skewing the number of men to women.
An eleventh point: news and entertainment media that is hostile to men.
Absolutely NAILED it… Most of these women also end up childless and miserable
Thanks!
Because those regular occurring things do not grab so deeply from our emotions.
It’s not computing for you because you’ve placed something else in that space for such a prolonged prolonged period of time. Academic success.
If and when you make room, respectively, for intimacy, a partner will not have to walk you through anything.You both will explore and learn in an exchange-like fashion.
And again, until you do, you will always scrutinize things in a “how does this look on paper” approach. Experience is your friend. And I mean experience in a way where you make your own mistakes, have your own successes, etc. Not because anyone told you to, but because you just…decided to.
Disagree. I think promiscuity in women (and men too by default) should be demonized and think the ‘bringing disgrace to the family’ is a good deterrent. Religion aside, the women sexual liberation movement is too blame for most issues in society at the moment. Historically women’s greatest ‘power’ over men , as well as to influence society, has been sex. In a society where women save themselves for marriage or only have sex when in long term relationships men are forced to be better in order to have their carnal needs satisfied.
Single parent numbers would be drastically down because a woman would make better care of who she sleeps with and men would know that being known as ‘the man who cannot be relied on’ would kill his chances of having another women settle with him (therefore have sex) or have sex and be shamed.
Most stupid behaviors which ‘grown boys’ have would be non existent because again women would not spend their one or two ‘Dick allowance’ on them so men would act in a way which makes them worthy of a relationship.
Unfortunately in a society where men can easily get sex without being in a relationship there are no reasons for those men to be pushed to be relationship ready/ worthy or to even want to settle down.
To be fair… Most sex crimes should be very difficult (nearly impossible) to prosecute with the right burden of proof.
But because of this cases tend to be prosecuted in the west even though ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ is not met.
Agree. Sex is stupidly easy, you would think its hardwired in our DNA . However sexual pleasure is not a need for survival so learning what works best for your partner just takes trial and error while they go through the same learning what works for you.
I agree, but I also don’t think it’s necessarily right to say that masturbation is a sin or for a girl (or guy) to have sex with a partner that they don’t end up marrying (ie college sweetheart). IMO, there’s a difference between racking up a body count and healthy exploration.
IDT it’s black and white. Having sex before marriage doesn’t necessarily imply promiscuity
I don’t mean to come off as disrespectful to you or @BrickHead
ON a side note: I have some opinions (somewhat in agreement with you and @BrickHead) regarding sexual assault that I’d prefer not to state in a public internet forum