What’s the difference? I’m interested/intruiged.
It has been said by many (in Aus) my generation will be the first to NEVER be able to purchase property and own a house. Rent4life
Houses prices have been and are increasing in price by a couple grand every week. This trend has remained steady for years.
You’ll find a tiny house in semi rural melbourne/Sydney will cost, on average, over one million dollars.
Take into account the average salary (even for luxurious professions) is far lower relative to the US and the dollar buys less.
Tank of gas? 100$+
Meal at a FAST FOOD establishment? 25$
Aus does have universal healthcare though
I’m the same way and make a good bit more than the states average income. I have no idea how these people are affording these homes.
To stay on topic… I used to be very pro live together before marriage because like mentioned… you learn a lot about people when you live together. BUT! I think the experience of getting married and then moving in together and starting off your marriage like that is super cool. I’ve tried it once before, living together than marriage, maybe next go around I’ll do the no living together thing first lol
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Google or You Tube search Novus Ordo versus Latin Mass and Vatican II Counsel. Talk about it in the religion thread if you wish. I won’t get into it here.
I cannot wrap my head around this, considering I do not consider a high-skilled, complicated act. I believe it takes nothing special for it to be pleasurable. And if two people do decide to refrain from sex during courtship they can discuss their views on the matter for the future.
Maybe, though I believe two considerate people who highly valued marriage will be willing to make adjustments for living together.
In some cases the woman loses out big or has her patience and hopes thoroughly tested from cohabitation because the man draws the whole deal out indefinitely by not proposing. He has the goodies (sex, companionship, social life) without getting serious. The saying, “why buy the cow when the milk is free?” is applicable in some cases.
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This made me laugh, but I agree. I think through a couple of conversations between mature adults you can figure out what they’re going to be looking for in sex - how often, what kind, etc. If there is attraction and love in the relationship and you’re on the same page about things, I’m not sure how much actual sex needs to be had to see if things will “work.”
I know lots of men who do/have done this.
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And what are the benefits of marriage? Especially in the US where the laxs are biased.
If you leave, you lose half your stuff.
If she gains weight and you’re not attracted anymore, you’re stuck.
If there’s no intimacy anymore, you’re stuck
If she decides she longer loves you and gets out, you lose half your stuff
If she cheats, if you want to leave, you lose half your stuff
Etc etc
Of course the opposite could be true if she earns more money and you do one of these things
But let’s remember 80% of divorces are initiated by women. Also they get the kids in the vast majority of times and you have to pay and allowance.
Why would men want to marry then?
What’s the benefit? A ring and a piece of paper? (In France you pay less taxes in some cases as well)
If you’re in a couple and cohabitate, what do you gain in marriage? It used to be security, the fact that you would stay together for your whole life. Not the case anymore aaat all.
Marriage isn’t sacred anymorel. I can see how it can be important to religious or more spiritual people. But in my country 70% or more (it increases every year) are without religion.
I’m not saying it’s a good thing, but it feels like intimacy is going another way…
I’m not saying I don’t want to marry BTW, but I can understand why many people don’t have interest in marrying.
I know a guy, he’s been with his girl for more than 15 years, since they were 18. They have 3 kids. But he doesn’t want to marry. He works precisely in the wedding industry (weddings are done on his estate), and he says that’s why he doesn’t want to.
I’m kinda with @mnben87 on this one. I’ve had “experiences” where I most definitely would not want to do that for the rest of my life lol I definitely think there is an art to it. Everyone is different and likes different things and acts different ways during.
I have also experienced what I WOULD consider to be a high skilled act 
I’d have married her had she not been a potential psychopath.
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I love the idea of this and it’s definitely important to have conversations in a rational state of mind.
But
I suspect this to be true based on hot cold empathy gap. ppl tend to think and act very differently when emotionally or sexually aroused. Funny story, in one of the experiments, they actually had ppl jerk off.
When it comes down to it, marriage is for fatherhood and child raising, first and foremost. So with that there is still risk of losing attraction and less intimacy. Withholding sex is a legitimate cause of at-fault divorce though. There always was this risk before present day conditions.
But as you and many others have noticed, and like I mentioned in several threads, because of a gynocratic court system, men can be financially destroyed and lose custody of their children from no-fault divorce. Watch the documentary Divorce Corp on You Tube, for free. That can actually make a person’s blood boil.
One can also read the essay Rotating Polyandry, in which the author, who is pro-marriage, admits that he can’t see why a man in the West in the current day would marry under present conditions.
Maybe because 80% of the time, the men are being bad partners, haha.
Just a thought. A lot of divorces I’ve seen are because of 3 things. The man was a cheater, the man was an addict, or the man was abusive. I’m not saying all men are always at fault, or that all women are always blameless, but there are a lot of men out there treating women like shit. Can’t blame them for wanting to leave.
EDIT: I’m not implying that those dealing with addiction are bad people.
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Of course, there are many immature or poisonous men. Still doesn’t change the fact that marriage is not worth it.
TO play devil’s advocate, this could be resolved through conversation.
Realistically speaking though, the type of person (particularly female) who wants to wait until marriage is also the type of female who as absolutely no idea and would not fathom talking about these things to anyone BUT a husband → catch 22
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I think it would be tough to know these things without any experience.
I do think most people are compatible in this regard, but not all. If you wait to find out, there is a possibility that sex just isn’t going to feel good.
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Haha. Funny story. My ex had only one boyfriend before she met me. Apparently that guy had a huge penis and she had no positive view on sex. They were together for 7 years before we met. When she tried sex with me, she confessed later that it was her first time she had a non painful and actually pleasurable sex. After me, she went on dating several guys and I am sure she was experimenting sex and sizes. She is now married to the first guy haha
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Oh it takes skill, and it also takes compatibility to have awesome sex. Have been with some women that were fantastic in bed, and some that were awful. Some that I would have loved to fuck all night even without finishing and others I faked finishing in a condom just to end it. Some had kinks I was really into, others had kinks that made me uncomfortable, some were pretty vanilla boring.
It’s not JUST about busting a nut (either partner).
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In many cases, the woman doesn’t get the opportunity to
In even more cases, she doesn’t have the equipment to either. 
Point of clarity due to the nomenclature: busting a nut is slang for ejaculation.
But some women to squirt too.
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Helluva lot easier to get some women off than others. Having a female partner that climaxes easily is awesome for a variety of reasons… And inexperienced women typically haven’t figured how to get off during sex, and are rarely comfortable and relaxed enough during.
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The kids these days use it interchangeably for female and male orgasms, IME.
Squirters can be fun, but only at her place haha
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