The fish are all swimming 1.5 metres apart too
Very difficult to catch a fish when they’re all spread so far apart.
3 Likes
Sorry for the late reply I said I would get to.
I agree with you about net changes to society and the world. The changes, for better or for worse, were made so because of both men and women. And as I said in the thread “More Women in Power”, some of the most influential people in the sexual revolution (with feminism being one element of it) were and are men. But what still stands is that women now do much of what they do, for better or for worse, because men removed restrictions on them.
The way a society operates falls on men. They can be as lax or strict or even as tyrannical as they want to be, because they are the stronger sex. If men were to politically unite, they could enact or end whatever they wanted to. For example, feminism does not exist in Islam because Muslim men simply don’t allow it. If it is carrying out its word, the Taliban is not allowing feminism. There is a video from last summer in which a female reporter asked a few Taliban members if women would be allowed to vote. They literally started laughing and one said, “Stop filming. This is making me laugh.” A different example would be the allowance of women to dress semi-nude in public in America. There used to be a time in which they couldn’t, because men wouldn’t allow them to. The same went for voting and bank accounts; now women can have those.
inb4: Some might read that, and then ask, “What?! Do you think that’s right?!,” to which I would answer, “I am not speaking of right versus wrong. I am simply discussing what manpower does or can do.”
Many God-fearing men believe men should have benevolent authority over women and that is how they fashioned societies until the nineteenth century. So this would come down to what a man believes God wants or does.
Of course there can be a rationalization for it and some men could have rational discourse about the effects of feminism. If they were to make an intellectual argument against it, unite politically, and if necessary, overcome male feminists, they could end it.
They could actually conclude, “This is what we created and now we see what both men and women are doing with it. We think these new social norms and behaviors are stupid and destructive, so we’re putting an end to them!” That is actually what some countries have done with technology, restricted it. Again, with enough manpower, men can do whatever they want.
I feel that I have to state again that I am not suggesting anything or talking about right versus wrong in this context. I am only speaking of group dynamics.
I’ll end this here because further discussion will further derail the thread because it does not pertain to dating. If people want to continue this, it would have to be in the thread on female power.
PS: We grew some pumpkins last year too. If I remember correctly you regularly garden. We do too. Have a Happy Halloween with your family!
1 Like
Thanks! And to yours too!
We took a little trip this weekend, but might actually make it back home in time to trick or treat.
All of the holidays have become a lot more fun again when a little one (or two) are involved!
1 Like
Really? Here I was thinking they were a fairly progressive group
To be fair, this generally results in lower reported quality of life within a country. Higher incidence of all cause mortality, poor access to healthcare etc.
People living under regimes that restrict access to modern technology aren’t happy. Not inherently due to the lack of technology per se, but rather because no modern, economically prosperous society have been oppressive enough to do such a thing. Just to make sure we are on the same page; when I refer to "restricting access to technology’’ I’m referring to restricting access to TV/cinema, smart phones, media, music, computers and more.
This isn’t a straw man argument btw. I have yet to find a modern society run under authoritarian constructs wherein residents report high quality of life aside from benevolent dictatorships such as Singapore. Even then it’s eeeeeehhhhh as plenty are unfairly subjected to brutal and barbaric punishment at the whims of those in power.
I’ll create the thread on female power later today. Looking forward to this discussion (insert irrelevant emoji)
How will your post relate to “Women in Power”?
Not the post above, rather I will create a thread dedicated to discussing societal constructs pertaining to gender roles, what “oppression” and "liberation’’ inherently refers to, whether a middle ‘fair’ ground can be reached.
We can also talk of the fallout associated with various decisions/policy enactments (feminism, feminazism, misogyny, the sexual revolution). We can talk about past and current societies/cultures and outcome associated with various sociocultural paradigms.
We could discuss the role women and men have in society today… What constitutes as to how an optimal society ought to run re gender roles?
That kind of stuff. We can talk about religion/religious influence and the effect on social norms (i.e Taliban’s extreme dress code for women vs various cultures wherein women can walk around topless.) In various tribal cultures I believe women walk around fully nude, as do men. However nudity in this context isn’t sexualised whatsoever. Think nudity in national geographic, not erotic in the slightest.
We can talk about different types of breakfast. I like making pancakes with white chocolate chips embedded inside. You should try that sometime.
Brie cheese on crackers + avocado is also fantastic
(It’s a cephalopod emoji)
2 Likes
Of course you can create that thread. However I don’t think there will be any opposing views shared except mine, if I choose to participate. This is because nearly all members here are modernists and individualists. Most or many here are not in favor of gender roles, believe the only difference is genitalia and physical
strength, believe all restrictions on public and entertainment conduct are oppressive, are in favor of “adult entertainment”, are pro feminist, believe feminism is just a matter of women working and voting, and so on. So if I were to be involved in it, it would be a rerun of me opposing nearly everyone.
I highly doubt some tribal societies don’t sexualize nudity considering their birthrates, sexual activity, and mating patterns. But I’m all eyes and ears for an explanation.
1 Like
As am I.
Individualism refers to a preference for freedom of action (within reason, pure individualsim/libertarianism would == anarchism). The opposing spectrum refers to a preference for centralised control imposed through the means of a monarchy, dictatorship or illiberal democracy
Show me one example within a highly populous society wherein centralised control has led to high quality of life/satisfaction within the general population. You won’t find it because it doesn’t exist. Centralised control suits those who want it… Until those in power alter societal dynamics at a whims notice. Look at Australia for reference where excessive centralised control lands you.
Centralised control may work in primitive societies with low overall population wherein a lack of medical/technological advancements leads to the population never questioning what they know. As @SkyzykS mentioned earlier. The advent of technological advancements and the industrial revolution has played a large role regarding the alteration of the dating scene. It isn’t sole to feminism, although feminism did play a large role.
The happiest, healthiest countries in today’s era are all democratic in nature.
You’re looking for a utopian ideal that isn’t going to eventuate during either of our lifetimes. The two options we have are to A: try to work with what we have, even if we don’t like it or B: relocate.
Doesn’t necessarily mean you’re wrong, doesn’t mean you’re right either. But what I would state is… If your views are opposed by the vast, vast majority of people. Perhaps ask yourself ‘why?’ Note I’m not telling you you’re wrong… my views on lockdowns and government control in Aus go against the grain of what I perceive to be an absolutely insane status quo over here. But if I reflect on my views I admit that I am emotionally biased, I don’t always think logically.
Is it really as simple as “everyone else is wrong and I’m right” or is there something else to it? From your view, the modernists have been radicalised, from their view you’ve been radicalised.
Is it possible that a middle ground exists? Is it possible you’ve rejected various toxic constructs associated with secular society and as a result you’ve swung towards another extreme?
Note, I’m not trying to be insulting nor am I making a judgement of your character… Just food for thought.
You’ve given recommendations re books for people to read on here… However it appears you gravitate towards literature that fits your perspective in particular. Have you ever thought about reading literature composed by public figures who view the world through a lens unfamiliar to what you’ve accustomed yourself with?
Will talk about it when I create new thread.
I’m not in favour of it… But I certainly don’t think it should be illegal for those above the age of eighteen to consumer nor do I believe people should be harshly penalised for viewing such content. Throwing someone in jail for watching a film that contains content aimed towards mature audiences, let alone pornography is insane, jail is meant for people who serve as a danger to society. I invite you to try change my perspective on the new thread that I’ll be creating
I could understand being opposed to pornography in part due to religious grounds, due to the effect it has on the dating scene (what is/isn’t considered acceptable conduct), due to the exploitation associated with that industry… But I’ve never brought into the “think of the kids” argument.
Safeguards need to be put into place to deter youth exposure, this type of restriction isn’t oppressive. At the same time barring safeguards society needn’t be built around what is/isn’t acceptable for a child to see given that adults are NOT children. Therefore we have various hedonistic commodities in society (gambling, drinking, smoking, porn, adult orientated literature, movies, tv, music) that aren’t suitable for children. When the aforementioned variables are consumed in moderation by adults, the sky doesn’t fall.
I suppose if you have children you’ll logically be far more concerned over the societal variables that may serve to alter neurodevelopmental outcomes. I’d look to academic literature for clarity on what is/isn’t particularly harmful. Porn unequivocally is bad for young people, as is alcohol, nicotine and gratuitously violent tv/media. At the same time, it isn’t the end of the world if a fourteen year old gets to see a boob or a hand lopped off on cable TV… Prove me wrong…
It’s not… At least that’s not what feminism is today. Voting/working represents first wave feminism i.e the women’s suffrage movement. Not the nasty, borderline sociopathic third wave feminism you see today.
Feminism was a push for equality… Now I’m not sure what it is anymore… It has strayed from the ideal it was initially trying to promote in the early 1900’s.
1 Like
I will only discuss dating in this thread from now on.
The literature I have recommended isn’t books with dating tips. However the content regarding marriage, the divorce system, and female nature is enormously revealing, and some of it shockingly so. And any men exposed to it will understand the current scene for what it is.
In the past and present I am very familiar with information on dating that is opposed to my present outlook, which will likely forever be my outlook on “dating”. To wit, and as I said, modern dating is disordered and the construct of “boyfriend and girlfriend” is highly wasteful for many men. Content opposed to my view is focused on “dating tips” and “game” and how to be “successful with women” and how to be “good in bed”. Some of the content seems to be comprised of whining about women.
I have an amazing wife, but I actually believe that if I had been exposed to the literature I’ve mentioned at a younger age, I would have been married earlier in life and might have had three or four kids by now. And this is because such content has given me an infinitely more rational and constructive view on women, marriage, and child raising than any content on dating can give me. I did not have a good model to go by and I have alluded to observations I made very young that were thoroughly confusing. So I had to seek information myself.
Lol I’m trying to find that post with the books you recommended to me right now. I finally have free time this weekend and I figured I would start reading.
Edit: Found it!
1 Like
Good. I wrote one of the titles wrong. The second one by Dr. Stephen Baskerville is The New Politics of Sex: The Sexual Revolution, Civil Liberties, and the Growth of Governmental Power. I’m in the middle of it. It’s very long.
And the Garbage Generation is by Daniel Amneus. I read that some time ago.
2 Likes
Just a random thought:
I have a friend who’s dating a really good guy. They’re so cute together and he does everything to make her happy. When I see them together I sometimes feel a sense of FOMO.
Today I was feeling that a bit today, then I realized that he was very similar to gym buddy, who I turned down.
Then I realized that both of them are VERY similar to my dad. I’m too similar to my mum.
Also, my dad never stood up to my mum. My brother never stood up to me. I don’t want that from a partner
So is what you’re looking for somebody who will stand up to you?
If so, in what regard?
Like, what do you do that is oppositional or requires standing up to?
1 Like
The beliefs of the individuals here also fall on a spectrum.
I believe we wouldn’t be getting such shitty movies nowadays if those damn Yankees and Brits in the movie industry would stop pushing their fucking extreme leftist agendas. This shit stopped being fun during the nihilist phase. At least we got some great movies from that.
Which means I took your recommendation and watched the steaming pile of shit that was the latest Black Christmas remake. HOLY FUCK how do you make such a fucking bad movie and NOT have anything unintentionally funny in it simply by virtue of it being a bad movie??? It was even worse than the Charlie’s Angel’s remake, which was more of a fucking virtue signalling to the point of propaganda type of flick than a fucking movie.
Even the bloody extremist Right Wing Christian movies are funny as fuck but they don’t have wide releases and backing of certain major studios like even Blumhouse that releases mostly low budget flicks. But that also means the filmmakers have FULL CREATIVE FREEDOM so even the dumbest shit isn’t cut out.
I’m gonna watch Assassin 33AD again later. For any normal Christian here who’s not heard of it, just think about the title and you’ll get why it’s so fucking funny just from the concept alone. Who was born and then died in 33AD LMAO? This should have been a Naked Gun style parody.
2 Likes
I don’t think I recommend this. From what I recall I recommend you to stay away from this…
1 Like
That’s not how the mind of a bad movie fan interprets such statements.
1 Like
So… dating! Lol
I first dated in 1996. I was 18. I met a girl at a work barbecue; we chatted throughout the afternoon. We clicked, so I helped her carry leftovers to her car, where we talked for another couple hours. When we parted ways, I asked for her phone number, she gave it to me, and we went on our first date a week later. It was so natural.
Dating today seems to be an entirely different proposition. Between technology’s incursion into affairs of the heart, radically altered expectations stemming from hook-up culture, and the changing ways people relate and interact, finding love ain’t what it used to be. Frankly, it’s frustrating and deflating. I’ve not given up hope, but I’ve had to remove my hat from the ring while I reorient my life and priorities.
4 Likes
But aren’t you glad you didn’t? Had the outcome been different you’d have been married to a different woman, you’d have had different kids.
I’m assuming you’re happy/content with life, what if a different marriage had eventuated with a different outcome? Be glad for what you’ve got 
With the advent of modern technological advances, advances in the sciences, the advent of an ever expanding exposition of careers to choose from, the advent of various different cultural norms on display for one to learn about etc transversing modern society can be EXTREMELY confusing for a young man/woman.
Hence why many travel the world for a few years in effort to learn more about themselves, find their place in the world prior to settling down. What has worked for you isn’t going to work for everyone, however I do agree with a portion of your sentiment.
There has been a degree of societal degeneration over the past sixty years or so, dating has become increasingly difficult as many seem to harbour ridiculously unrealistic expectations, with the push for individualism many are resorting to pushing the agenda “behaving like a selfish asshole is okay, I come first before everyone else”.
Whilst I am an advocate for individualism over collectivism, I don’t agree with treating others like crap for the sake of individualism. As I’ve specified, there is a middle ground.
I’m not definitively stating I’m right on these matters, I’m not stating I’m wrong either. I’m very willing to hear what the opposing body of thought has to say on these matters.
You like the idea of a pre-set path that one need not stray from. A path that guarantees a lifelong partner, a family, a sense of community instilled through religious means. A path that you don’t question. I like the idea of choice, the ability to navigate the world and see everything on display that society has to offer. I believe there are pitfalls to both approaches.
For people such as myself who don’t buy into religion aside from the moral fundamentals pushed the predetermined path doesn’t ruminate well and as such societal outlook will understandably differ. I’ve never understood how one could expect me to have faith in scripture written thousands and thousands of years ago of which the claims made (like how humans came to be) have never been substantiated.
So… From your standpoint is the ability to satisfy a woman not an important part of a healthy relationship? Sexual intercourse ought to be a commodity both partners can enjoy. Not something for the man to enjoy and the woman to tolerate or vice versa.
I agree with you on quite a bit of this. However this statement comes across as “I’m right, others are wrong. It is my way or nothing.” Perhaps I’m misinterpreting you though
A man exposed to the pitfalls of modern society may reach a totally different conclusion to that of yourself.
@BrickHead watch this if you’d like to see 90 minutes of PAINFULLY woke, third wave virtue signalling. It will not disappoint 10/10 on the woke bullshitometer scale. I didn’t even know how much I hated men until I saw this (joking).
We can also occasionally talk about breakfast. I’ll see if I can make chocolate chip pancakes for lunch #healthyboi #diabetesonaplate.
If not I’ll line up every single avocado I have on a plate and consume that.
2 Likes
Black Christmas in a nutshell
“All men are rapists or murderers. We have decided to go with the name of a solid horror movie made in 1974 to make cash, but have no doubt this has nothing to do with the original Black Christmas! Poor character development? Check! We don’t flesh out characters when we create woke nonesense. Abysmal storytelling? Absolutely, this isn’t going to make a lick of sense. So long as we can push our radicalised social commentary we are happy! PG-13 rating when based off of a hard R. Check!”
The calls from the killer in the 1974 flick were extremely profane even by today’s standards. It’d still be enough to get an age restriction in Aus, let alone the US who has standards so puritanical one has to be 17+ right off the bat if a film uses the word fuck more than once… That’s how films like Nebraska or the King’s Speech net an R rating…
Apparently a child is more liable to be scarred by hearing the word “fuck”, but heads getting lopped off? Fine… So long as gratuitous gore isn’t present. The sixth sense is far more likely to screw up a kid relative to the king’s speech. What a joke…
The old Black Christmas deserves a high age restriction not due to the profanity alone though, but because the movie itself is disturbing. The impact is considerably higher relative to a fantasy/supernatural horror film like Halloween or a nightmare on elm Street.
I wonder whether modern cinema has had an impact re how we view men and women, dating culture and relationships. With the implementation of all the woke BS I’d assume perhaps younger people are more liable to succumb to far left influences.
Media is a powerful tool of which when abused can be used to indoctrinate the population.
1 Like