The Dark Knight Rises

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[quote]devilmanVISA wrote:
Bane was an inmate at Pena Duro Prison in Santa Prisca, not at Arkham.

A much more believable method for auto delivery of the Venom drug would be to simply fill it in an insulin pump worn somewhere on the body. Venom could simply be an IV form of some substance similar in composition to halotestin and methamphetamine.

I seriously hope there is no hokey gas mask inhaler used to administer Venom. I guess technically an inhalant form would be the fastest way to saturate the bloodstream with the substance other than having the cranial ports drilled into his skull as in the comic. Still it would seem a tremendous tactical liability that Bane, a calculating tactical mastermind, would avoid.

Even before being subjected to the Venom project while incarcerated at Pena Duro Bane possessed the physical prowess of an Olympic athlete.

Ultimately it will be determined by Nolan’s portrayal of the character, and I have no doubt that it will be seamless and believable in its execution. [/quote]

You obviously know your stuff, but you’re being far too slavish to the comics here, especially in light of the alterations Nolan made to the Joker and Ra’s; he either changed what people considered to be defining characteristics or stripped them out completely (namely Joker’s chemical bath and Ra’s literal immortality). The characters still worked, so exactly how defining were those traits?

Bane doesn’t have to be an inmate at Pena Duro; he doesn’t have to be fitted with cranial ports.

Look at the official pic of the Bane “mask”: it doesn’t represent a “tactical liability” as far as I can see - his vision isn’t obstructed in any way, it looks functional (because it is), and I shouldn’t have to point out the absurdity of criticizing a mask’s design when he’s going to be fighting a man in state-of-the-art body armor while stripped to the waist. The obvious leveller is that Bane will have some form of venom at his disposal, and no matter how “hokey” the idea sounds to you, I’m still saying it’ll be gas.

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Why gas? Because it links back to Scarecrow’s fear gas, which was developed from the blue flower Bruce Wayne was sent to harvest by Ducard in Batman Begins. If the League of Shadows have a plant that can induce fear, why is it so hard to believe that they couldn’t create a stimulant or a natural antidote to the blue flower’s toxin that when taken on its own acts as a stimulant?

If movie Bane has ties to the League of Shadows, then he could have had the same training as Bruce, thus making him his equal. BW was a grown man when he started training in Begins, if Bane was brought up from birth with the League, then he could in many ways be Batman’s “superior”.

EDIT: Being a League “lifer” echoes his upbringing in prison…

Calling the mask “hokey” is again just being beholden to the comic for the sake of it. The inhalant angle is a solid one that’ll draw out the the defining qualities of the comic Bane. But of course you’ll hate this idea because it doesn’t adhere to every single detail of the comic.

Look closely at the second photo of Bane. There is a kind of mist/vapor/smoke trailing around him, and he is in what looks like a meditative pose.

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Roybot it seems like you know your shit and have contributed a lot in this thread. So just sum your ideas up for us: what will the venom do, will it make him muscular when he inhales it and then the muscle gets ‘stripped away’ when he gets off it?

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Roybot it seems like you know your shit and have contributed a lot in this thread. So just sum your ideas up for us: what will the venom do, will it make him muscular when he inhales it and then the muscle gets ‘stripped away’ when he gets off it?[/quote]

Thanks, I’m just trying to piece together all the info out there at the moment in a way I think Chris Nolan might. No, I don’t think he’ll grow any bigger - it’ll just enhance all of his natural attributes: strength, reflexes, speed, pain tolerance. I do believe that the venom is somehow linked with the blue flower and Bane with the League of Shadows.

Here’s a pic of what Tom Hardy looks like at the moment (the tats are his own, BTW)

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[quote]roybot wrote:
Why gas? Because it links back to Scarecrow’s fear gas, which was developed from the blue flower Bruce Wayne was sent to harvest by Ducard in Batman Begins. If the League of Shadows have a plant that can induce fear, why is it so hard to believe that they couldn’t create a stimulant or a natural antidote to the blue flower’s toxin that when taken on its own acts as a stimulant?

If movie Bane has ties to the League of Shadows, then he could have had the same training as Bruce, thus making him his equal. BW was a grown man when he started training in Begins, if Bane was brought up from birth with the League, then he could in many ways be Batman’s “superior”.

Called the mask “hokey” is again just being beholden to the comic for the sake of it. The inhalant angle is a solid one that’ll draw out the the defining qualities of the comic Bane. But of course you’ll hate this idea because it doesn’t adhere to every single detail of the comic.

Look closely at the second photo of Bane. There is a kind of mist/vapor/smoke trailing around him, and he is in what looks like a meditative pose.[/quote]

Great analysis hadn’t made the link myself but makes perfect sense. Are you in some way involved in analyzing/reviewing books or films?

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[quote]redstar144 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Why gas? Because it links back to Scarecrow’s fear gas, which was developed from the blue flower Bruce Wayne was sent to harvest by Ducard in Batman Begins. If the League of Shadows have a plant that can induce fear, why is it so hard to believe that they couldn’t create a stimulant or a natural antidote to the blue flower’s toxin that when taken on its own acts as a stimulant?

If movie Bane has ties to the League of Shadows, then he could have had the same training as Bruce, thus making him his equal. BW was a grown man when he started training in Begins, if Bane was brought up from birth with the League, then he could in many ways be Batman’s “superior”.

Called the mask “hokey” is again just being beholden to the comic for the sake of it. The inhalant angle is a solid one that’ll draw out the the defining qualities of the comic Bane. But of course you’ll hate this idea because it doesn’t adhere to every single detail of the comic.

Look closely at the second photo of Bane. There is a kind of mist/vapor/smoke trailing around him, and he is in what looks like a meditative pose.[/quote]

Great analysis hadn’t made the link myself but makes perfect sense. Are you in some way involved in analyzing/reviewing books or films?[/quote]

Thanks. No, I’m just a film geek, but nowhere near the biggest film geek out there. I came to these conclusions on my own but after googling, it seems people have already beaten me to the same theories. I also read a lot of plays so I have a nose for how a story is constructed. I may be proven wrong about the above in time, but it seems like the most Nolan-ish way to link all the pieces together.

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This is just an idea on my part, but we could see a massive version of Bane if the fear gas makes a re-appearance. Remember the part in BB where Batman is seen through the gas as a Bat-monster? They could easily do something like that with Bane being hallucinated as a hulking giant.

OK, I’m done for a while.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]redstar144 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Why gas? Because it links back to Scarecrow’s fear gas, which was developed from the blue flower Bruce Wayne was sent to harvest by Ducard in Batman Begins. If the League of Shadows have a plant that can induce fear, why is it so hard to believe that they couldn’t create a stimulant or a natural antidote to the blue flower’s toxin that when taken on its own acts as a stimulant?

If movie Bane has ties to the League of Shadows, then he could have had the same training as Bruce, thus making him his equal. BW was a grown man when he started training in Begins, if Bane was brought up from birth with the League, then he could in many ways be Batman’s “superior”.

Called the mask “hokey” is again just being beholden to the comic for the sake of it. The inhalant angle is a solid one that’ll draw out the the defining qualities of the comic Bane. But of course you’ll hate this idea because it doesn’t adhere to every single detail of the comic.

Look closely at the second photo of Bane. There is a kind of mist/vapor/smoke trailing around him, and he is in what looks like a meditative pose.[/quote]

Great analysis hadn’t made the link myself but makes perfect sense. Are you in some way involved in analyzing/reviewing books or films?[/quote]

Thanks. No, I’m just a film geek, but nowhere near the biggest film geek out there. I came to these conclusions on my own but after googling, it seems people have already beaten me to the same theories. I also read a lot of plays so I have a nose for how a story is constructed. I may be proven wrong about the above in time, but it seems like the most Nolan-ish way to link all the pieces together. [/quote]

Agreed, great analysis and logic. Keep posting and I’ll keep reading.

Also, the body build in the meditative Bane picture above is pretty impressive, is that Hardy (there aren’t any tattoos)?

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]redstar144 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Why gas? Because it links back to Scarecrow’s fear gas, which was developed from the blue flower Bruce Wayne was sent to harvest by Ducard in Batman Begins. If the League of Shadows have a plant that can induce fear, why is it so hard to believe that they couldn’t create a stimulant or a natural antidote to the blue flower’s toxin that when taken on its own acts as a stimulant?

If movie Bane has ties to the League of Shadows, then he could have had the same training as Bruce, thus making him his equal. BW was a grown man when he started training in Begins, if Bane was brought up from birth with the League, then he could in many ways be Batman’s “superior”.

Called the mask “hokey” is again just being beholden to the comic for the sake of it. The inhalant angle is a solid one that’ll draw out the the defining qualities of the comic Bane. But of course you’ll hate this idea because it doesn’t adhere to every single detail of the comic.

Look closely at the second photo of Bane. There is a kind of mist/vapor/smoke trailing around him, and he is in what looks like a meditative pose.[/quote]

Great analysis hadn’t made the link myself but makes perfect sense. Are you in some way involved in analyzing/reviewing books or films?[/quote]

Thanks. No, I’m just a film geek, but nowhere near the biggest film geek out there. I came to these conclusions on my own but after googling, it seems people have already beaten me to the same theories. I also read a lot of plays so I have a nose for how a story is constructed. I may be proven wrong about the above in time, but it seems like the most Nolan-ish way to link all the pieces together. [/quote]

Agreed, great analysis and logic. Keep posting and I’ll keep reading.

Also, the body build in the meditative Bane picture above is pretty impressive, is that Hardy (there aren’t any tattoos)?[/quote]

It looks like Hardy’s facial structure, but I have never saw that picture before nor does it come up when I google TDKR promo material (just the Bane photo with the new mask) I’ve been agreeing with everything Roybot has been saying so far and I have faith in Nolan so I think we’re going to be in for quite the treat next summer.

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[quote]JaseHxC wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]redstar144 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Why gas? Because it links back to Scarecrow’s fear gas, which was developed from the blue flower Bruce Wayne was sent to harvest by Ducard in Batman Begins. If the League of Shadows have a plant that can induce fear, why is it so hard to believe that they couldn’t create a stimulant or a natural antidote to the blue flower’s toxin that when taken on its own acts as a stimulant?

If movie Bane has ties to the League of Shadows, then he could have had the same training as Bruce, thus making him his equal. BW was a grown man when he started training in Begins, if Bane was brought up from birth with the League, then he could in many ways be Batman’s “superior”.

Called the mask “hokey” is again just being beholden to the comic for the sake of it. The inhalant angle is a solid one that’ll draw out the the defining qualities of the comic Bane. But of course you’ll hate this idea because it doesn’t adhere to every single detail of the comic.

Look closely at the second photo of Bane. There is a kind of mist/vapor/smoke trailing around him, and he is in what looks like a meditative pose.[/quote]

Great analysis hadn’t made the link myself but makes perfect sense. Are you in some way involved in analyzing/reviewing books or films?[/quote]

Thanks. No, I’m just a film geek, but nowhere near the biggest film geek out there. I came to these conclusions on my own but after googling, it seems people have already beaten me to the same theories. I also read a lot of plays so I have a nose for how a story is constructed. I may be proven wrong about the above in time, but it seems like the most Nolan-ish way to link all the pieces together. [/quote]

Agreed, great analysis and logic. Keep posting and I’ll keep reading.

Also, the body build in the meditative Bane picture above is pretty impressive, is that Hardy (there aren’t any tattoos)?[/quote]

It looks like Hardy’s facial structure, but I have never saw that picture before nor does it come up when I google TDKR promo material (just the Bane photo with the new mask) I’ve been agreeing with everything Roybot has been saying so far and I have faith in Nolan so I think we’re going to be in for quite the treat next summer.[/quote]

It’s his head on someone else’s body.

I am sure he can build up to that given enough time, but he damn sure isn’t even that big yet.

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He need some burgers in order to break Batman’s back and make us all happy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]JaseHxC wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]redstar144 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Why gas? Because it links back to Scarecrow’s fear gas, which was developed from the blue flower Bruce Wayne was sent to harvest by Ducard in Batman Begins. If the League of Shadows have a plant that can induce fear, why is it so hard to believe that they couldn’t create a stimulant or a natural antidote to the blue flower’s toxin that when taken on its own acts as a stimulant?

If movie Bane has ties to the League of Shadows, then he could have had the same training as Bruce, thus making him his equal. BW was a grown man when he started training in Begins, if Bane was brought up from birth with the League, then he could in many ways be Batman’s “superior”.

Called the mask “hokey” is again just being beholden to the comic for the sake of it. The inhalant angle is a solid one that’ll draw out the the defining qualities of the comic Bane. But of course you’ll hate this idea because it doesn’t adhere to every single detail of the comic.

Look closely at the second photo of Bane. There is a kind of mist/vapor/smoke trailing around him, and he is in what looks like a meditative pose.[/quote]

Great analysis hadn’t made the link myself but makes perfect sense. Are you in some way involved in analyzing/reviewing books or films?[/quote]

Thanks. No, I’m just a film geek, but nowhere near the biggest film geek out there. I came to these conclusions on my own but after googling, it seems people have already beaten me to the same theories. I also read a lot of plays so I have a nose for how a story is constructed. I may be proven wrong about the above in time, but it seems like the most Nolan-ish way to link all the pieces together. [/quote]

Agreed, great analysis and logic. Keep posting and I’ll keep reading.

Also, the body build in the meditative Bane picture above is pretty impressive, is that Hardy (there aren’t any tattoos)?[/quote]

It looks like Hardy’s facial structure, but I have never saw that picture before nor does it come up when I google TDKR promo material (just the Bane photo with the new mask) I’ve been agreeing with everything Roybot has been saying so far and I have faith in Nolan so I think we’re going to be in for quite the treat next summer.[/quote]

It’s his head on someone else’s body.

I am sure he can build up to that given enough time, but he damn sure isn’t even that big yet.[/quote]

I think I may be one of the only people not hung up on Hardy’s size. Is he going to be as big as comic/cartoon interpretations of Bane? No, not even close and he doesn’t have to be. Hardy, with Nolan’s guidance will do the character justice much like the majority of people cast in the recent Batman movies have for their character. If Nolan had of cast one of Hollywood’s large and muscular actors (let’s be real, none of them are winning a major Oscar anytime soon) everyone would be bitching about how Bane’s intellectual side was not represented and he was simply portrayed as big lunk.

The Bane we will be getting will be a well built villain with lots of character depth so I think we should just sit back and wait for what assuredly will be an excellent movie.

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I hope the film doesn’t have too much stuff in it like Spiderman 3 or the last 20 minutes of the Dark Knight. I watched them both last night and they are brilliant brilliant movies both of them but the dark knight, imo drags in the last 20 minutes, whereas Batman Begins, even though some plot points (Scarecrow) are resolved unsatisfactorily, is a great piece on the nature of fear. I just really hope they don’t cram too much in there in an attempt to please everyone

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[quote]roybot wrote:
This is just an idea on my part, but we could see a massive version of Bane if the fear gas makes a re-appearance. Remember the part in BB where Batman is seen through the gas as a Bat-monster? They could easily do something like that with Bane being hallucinated as a hulking giant.

OK, I’m done for a while.[/quote]
isn’t he immune or he should have the antidote

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[quote]roybot wrote:
Why gas? Because it links back to Scarecrow’s fear gas, which was developed from the blue flower Bruce Wayne was sent to harvest by Ducard in Batman Begins. If the League of Shadows have a plant that can induce fear, why is it so hard to believe that they couldn’t create a stimulant or a natural antidote to the blue flower’s toxin that when taken on its own acts as a stimulant?

If movie Bane has ties to the League of Shadows, then he could have had the same training as Bruce, thus making him his equal. BW was a grown man when he started training in Begins, if Bane was brought up from birth with the League, then he could in many ways be Batman’s “superior”.

EDIT: Being a League “lifer” echoes his upbringing in prison…

Calling the mask “hokey” is again just being beholden to the comic for the sake of it. The inhalant angle is a solid one that’ll draw out the the defining qualities of the comic Bane. But of course you’ll hate this idea because it doesn’t adhere to every single detail of the comic.

Look closely at the second photo of Bane. There is a kind of mist/vapor/smoke trailing around him, and he is in what looks like a meditative pose.[/quote]

They alluded to Bruce training a bit before he trained with the League in Begins.
Fox made Bruce an antidote in Begins.
I really don’t see them redoing the entire angle in the first movie.
I do agree they’ll at the very least make Bane a serious physical threat to Batman, but I doubt the fear toxin angle.

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I don’t think it will be gas here is a picture of the lazaros pit from the film. I believe the pit will have something to do with the venom

Pics here http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BDzZTdhuisyBB8XKlFg&ved=0CDkQvwUoAQ&q=dark+knight+rises+lazarus+pit&spell=1&biw=1259&bih=823

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like poison?

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
like poison?[/quote]
Venom was a super soldier serum created in the DC universe and first introduced in the Venom story arc in Batman. The drug gives superhuman strengh but makes one incredibly aggressive and violent, it is also highly addictive one dose and the user is hooked. Batman fails in saving a group of children and begins using venom as an edge he then sees the error of his ways and goes through withdrawal and the like. Thhe storyline was from 89-90ishand the “crack” epidemic was getting a lot of news as well as one Mr Ben Johnson losing his Olympic medal for using steroids. Since the introduction of the drug DC has retconned it’s origin to say that it is a diritive of Rex Tyler(Hourman’s) miraclo pill(which grants the person an hour of power), Lex Luthor in the first Superman/Batman arc used Venom laced with Kryptonite and a further version of it called slappers was used in the Batman Betyond cartoon this made from the blood of Bane who needed a constant infusion of Venom as his body had deterioted due to the drug use.

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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
I don’t think it will be gas here is a picture of the lazaros pit from the film. I believe the pit will have something to do with the venom

Pics here http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BDzZTdhuisyBB8XKlFg&ved=0CDkQvwUoAQ&q=dark+knight+rises+lazarus+pit&spell=1&biw=1259&bih=823[/quote]

That’s just green screen dude.

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[quote]roybot wrote:
Why gas? Because it links back to Scarecrow’s fear gas, which was developed from the blue flower Bruce Wayne was sent to harvest by Ducard in Batman Begins. If the League of Shadows have a plant that can induce fear, why is it so hard to believe that they couldn’t create a stimulant or a natural antidote to the blue flower’s toxin that when taken on its own acts as a stimulant?

If movie Bane has ties to the League of Shadows, then he could have had the same training as Bruce, thus making him his equal. BW was a grown man when he started training in Begins, if Bane was brought up from birth with the League, then he could in many ways be Batman’s “superior”.

EDIT: Being a League “lifer” echoes his upbringing in prison…

Calling the mask “hokey” is again just being beholden to the comic for the sake of it. The inhalant angle is a solid one that’ll draw out the the defining qualities of the comic Bane. But of course you’ll hate this idea because it doesn’t adhere to every single detail of the comic.

Look closely at the second photo of Bane. There is a kind of mist/vapor/smoke trailing around him, and he is in what looks like a meditative pose.[/quote]

The fear gas was over and done in the first movie. To do it again would be repetitive. The same goes for the League of Shadows. Why continue to explore the same territory in a third film? Mist surrounding him? Seriously? Find me one shot of Gotham city at night where there is not some kind of mist or vapor in the air. The mist could also be a thematic device to indicate the mysterious nature of the character. But basing an entire premise for the story on the presence of water vapor in an obviously highly edited photograph released as part of a viral campaign is thin at best.

Nolan doesn’t strip away defining characteristics in the slightest. If you pay close attention, he leaves them out entirely. Where was the Joker’s origin story detailed in Nolan’s film? Was there any proof show to the audience that Ra’s al Ghul was not immortal? Nolan does not focus on the unbelievable or supernatural aspects of the characters. He simply chooses not to as it makes them more interesting. Sometimes, especially in film, less is more. The film maker can spend more time with story and character development if he does not get bogged down in the mindless inanity of origin exposition. As a self proclaimed film geek I’m sure you are more than aware of this.

Your post has a very condescending and argumentative tone to it. This is entirely uncalled for. The goal of my detailing the the character of Bane was to hopefully illustrate the clear difference between the identity of the actual character and the identity of the pop-culture recognized character; calculating tactician versus mindless thug. The mask itself does not appear hokey, but using a gas mask or vapor inhalation system could very well be. Be that as it may I’m not in any way beholden to the comics as canon. Its blindly obvious that a significant amount of dramatic license of content is necessary to make these movies work. To demand otherwise would be both irrational and asinine.

Personally, I could care less if its a gas versus another delivery system. My knee jerk reaction to that proposal is that it will make the character look comically grotesque, very much Doctor Mindbender, and not like a calculating predator. There are also the logistics to consider. A gas would require a tank of some sort. In order to be fairly self sufficient from a tactical standpoint in the event of being away from a safe house for extended periods of time your supply would have to be fairly significant. A gas can only be compressed so much before administration would become dangerous or even fatal to a human, so this container would need to be fairly large or have some sort of complicated vapor decompression chamber prior to inhalation, otherwise the gas under pressure could blow the mask right off his face or worse. The mask itself may not obscure his vision, but if it has a hose/nozzle/dispersal pipe hanging off then it could easily impede range of motion or reaction time. In addition, if you are going to be engaging an opponent face to face, would you not want the primary delivery route of your power source to be as far from that opponent as possible, i.e. on your back? Or on your face, which your opponent will clearly be trying to strike? You engage an opponent face to face, so putting your biggest liability directly in front of him while you fight is not tactically sound.