The Dark Knight Rises

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[quote]roybot wrote:
Bane would sooo work in this. To say that he is simply an evil version of Batman or his equal is just dumbing down both characters.

Bane is the negative image of Bruce Wayne in the sense that they were driven into direct conflict from different starting points.

Bane was literally born into crime, and Bruce Wayne lived a charmed life until his parents were killed. Crime eventually drove both men to the limits of their potential, but two men driven by fate won’t just stop and shake hands in an explosion of daisies.

It would be more ‘cling and clang’ than ‘yin and yang’.[/quote]
I think it’s a good character because not only is Bane very strategic and smart buy he can physically challenge Batman.

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There are rumors popping up now that Robin Williams may appear as Dr. Hugo Strange? Three villains may be pushing it unless Selina Kyle never becomes Catwoman (would just be one big tease) or Strange plays a very, very small role in connection with Bane. Thoughts everyone?

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man I just watched The Dark Knight yesterday on TNT, in HD. Wow I forgot how good that movie is. It was almost philosophical in how they portrayed good/evil. It made me feel good about myself. lol.

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[quote]JaseHxC wrote:
There are rumors popping up now that Robin Williams may appear as Dr. Hugo Strange? Three villains may be pushing it unless Selina Kyle never becomes Catwoman (would just be one big tease) or Strange plays a very, very small role in connection with Bane. Thoughts everyone? [/quote]
Oh man oh man he would be perfect for that role, I would expect an oscar worthy performance from him.

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I think you all should be prepared for some very negative takes on or relations to weight lifting or bodybuilding.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you all should be prepared for some very negative takes on or relations to weight lifting or bodybuilding.[/quote]

Would you mind elaborating? I am not a huge comic book buff but these movies and some threads on tnation have got me reading a few.

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you all should be prepared for some very negative takes on or relations to weight lifting or bodybuilding.[/quote]

Would you mind elaborating? I am not a huge comic book buff but these movies and some threads on tnation have got me reading a few.[/quote]

Bane is as big and strong as he is because of “venom” a cartoon version of super steroids that have a very short half life that requires him to constantly inject himself with it to remain that big. In “Nolan fashion” in order to get inside the head of a character like that, how could you not expect to see some major slashes against this lifestyle?

You would have to not know the character at all to not see that coming.

Even in the DC online video game, all of Banes henchmen are plaid like average “meatheads”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you all should be prepared for some very negative takes on or relations to weight lifting or bodybuilding.[/quote]

Would you mind elaborating? I am not a huge comic book buff but these movies and some threads on tnation have got me reading a few.[/quote]

Bane is as big and strong as he is because of “venom” a cartoon version of super steroids that have a very shorty half life that requires him to constantly inject himself with it to remain that big. In “Nolan fashion” in order to get inside the head of a character like that, how could you not expect to see some major slashes against this lifestyle?

You would have to not know the character at all to not see that coming.[/quote]
I never thought of it that way, but I see your point

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you all should be prepared for some very negative takes on or relations to weight lifting or bodybuilding.[/quote]

Would you mind elaborating? I am not a huge comic book buff but these movies and some threads on tnation have got me reading a few.[/quote]

Bane is as big and strong as he is because of “venom” a cartoon version of super steroids that have a very short half life that requires him to constantly inject himself with it to remain that big. In “Nolan fashion” in order to get inside the head of a character like that, how could you not expect to see some major slashes against this lifestyle?

You would have to not know the character at all to not see that coming.

Even in the DC online video game, all of Banes henchmen are plaid like average “meatheads”.[/quote]

Thanks, that does make sense, I hope Nolan can keep the focus of the movie away from that. Depending on how many villians he has in this one, they might not be able to go very in depth on them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you all should be prepared for some very negative takes on or relations to weight lifting or bodybuilding.[/quote]

Would you mind elaborating? I am not a huge comic book buff but these movies and some threads on tnation have got me reading a few.[/quote]

Bane is as big and strong as he is because of “venom” a cartoon version of super steroids that have a very short half life that requires him to constantly inject himself with it to remain that big. In “Nolan fashion” in order to get inside the head of a character like that, how could you not expect to see some major slashes against this lifestyle?

You would have to not know the character at all to not see that coming.

Even in the DC online video game, all of Banes henchmen are plaid like average “meatheads”.[/quote]

Bane is defined by his brains, not brawn. Nolan would not reduce him to a meathead stereotype. Bane’s mother gave birth to him in an Argentinian prison and he lived there, cultivating himself physically and mentally. He already possessed Bruce Wayne’s potential, but each applied that potential in ways that would bring them into direct conflict.

I get what you’re saying Prof., but I think Chris Nolan is above saying Bane beat Batman via chemical assistance (venom). Bane is a far better analogue for Nolan’s Batman than say, Black Mask.

In Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne spent time in prison way before he met Ducard or became Batman. Crucially, Wayne put himself there: he became a petty crook to understand the mindset of one. He did it because the idea of criminality was foreign to him. His parents didn’t understand it either and they were killed.

His wealth intially protected him from crime; wealth was the cause of his parents’ death, and the wealth he inherited as a result of their deaths eventually allowed him to fight crime on another level. But he had to reject it to make full use of it.

Bane acquired his wealth through a combination of natural ability and criminal aptitude. For Bane, criminals are his family. Who is he supposed to fight?

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:
chris nolan will only go with realistic characters. no bane, ivy, freeze etc…[/quote]

While I agree with the overall statement, what is so different between something like a nerve gas that can make you see evil shit (Scarecrow) compared to the shit pumped into Bane or perhaps a chick who messes with pheromones and poisonous plants?[/quote]

True.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]JaseHxC wrote:
There are rumors popping up now that Robin Williams may appear as Dr. Hugo Strange? Three villains may be pushing it unless Selina Kyle never becomes Catwoman (would just be one big tease) or Strange plays a very, very small role in connection with Bane. Thoughts everyone? [/quote]
Oh man oh man he would be perfect for that role, I would expect an oscar worthy performance from him.[/quote]

I would expect you to brace yourself for disappointment.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you all should be prepared for some very negative takes on or relations to weight lifting or bodybuilding.[/quote]

Would you mind elaborating? I am not a huge comic book buff but these movies and some threads on tnation have got me reading a few.[/quote]

Bane is as big and strong as he is because of “venom” a cartoon version of super steroids that have a very short half life that requires him to constantly inject himself with it to remain that big. In “Nolan fashion” in order to get inside the head of a character like that, how could you not expect to see some major slashes against this lifestyle?

You would have to not know the character at all to not see that coming.

Even in the DC online video game, all of Banes henchmen are plaid like average “meatheads”.[/quote]

Bane is defined by his brains, not brawn. Nolan would not reduce him to a meathead stereotype. Bane’s mother gave birth to him in an Argentinian prison and he lived there, cultivating himself physically and mentally. He already possessed Bruce Wayne’s potential, but each applied that potential in ways that would bring them into direct conflict.

I get what you’re saying Prof., but I think Chris Nolan is above saying Bane beat Batman via chemical assistance (venom). Bane is a far better analogue for Nolan’s Batman than say, Black Mask.

In Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne spent time in prison way before he met Ducard or became Batman. Crucially, Wayne put himself there: he became a petty crook to understand the mindset of one. He did it because the idea of criminality was foreign to him. His parents didn’t understand it either and they were killed.

His wealth intially protected him from crime; wealth was the cause of his parents’ death, and the wealth he inherited as a result of their deaths eventually allowed him to fight crime on another level. But he had to reject it to make full use of it.

Bane acquired his wealth through a combination of natural ability and criminal aptitude. For Bane, criminals are his family. Who is he supposed to fight?[/quote]

I am not saying they will reduce him to “meathead” status. I am saying that in the latest incarnation of that character, the people he surrounded himself with were just gymrats who were using Venom as the “new steroid” on the street. That is how they treated it. Also, while Bane may be known for his brains, that is usually NOT how most of the general public sees it because even in cartoon versions of him, they focus more in his size and strength. Hell, have you EVER seen Bane in cartoon form where his mental capabilities were the main focus?

I think Nolan will concentrate more on his mentality, but I also think it is inevitable that he will use his basic desire to be that big and strong as a source of pathology.

It doesn’t matter how much they play that angle up. The smallest hint at it is all they need because THAT is what the general public will focus on.

Also, Batman went completely left in that last movie as far as his muscular development is concerned…and if they do that again, there will be even more of a contrast between them as if Batman doesn’t even train to be much bigger than the average “fit” man.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you all should be prepared for some very negative takes on or relations to weight lifting or bodybuilding.[/quote]

Would you mind elaborating? I am not a huge comic book buff but these movies and some threads on tnation have got me reading a few.[/quote]

Bane is as big and strong as he is because of “venom” a cartoon version of super steroids that have a very short half life that requires him to constantly inject himself with it to remain that big. In “Nolan fashion” in order to get inside the head of a character like that, how could you not expect to see some major slashes against this lifestyle?

You would have to not know the character at all to not see that coming.

Even in the DC online video game, all of Banes henchmen are plaid like average “meatheads”.[/quote]

Bane is defined by his brains, not brawn. Nolan would not reduce him to a meathead stereotype. Bane’s mother gave birth to him in an Argentinian prison and he lived there, cultivating himself physically and mentally. He already possessed Bruce Wayne’s potential, but each applied that potential in ways that would bring them into direct conflict.

I get what you’re saying Prof., but I think Chris Nolan is above saying Bane beat Batman via chemical assistance (venom). Bane is a far better analogue for Nolan’s Batman than say, Black Mask.

In Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne spent time in prison way before he met Ducard or became Batman. Crucially, Wayne put himself there: he became a petty crook to understand the mindset of one. He did it because the idea of criminality was foreign to him. His parents didn’t understand it either and they were killed.

His wealth intially protected him from crime; wealth was the cause of his parents’ death, and the wealth he inherited as a result of their deaths eventually allowed him to fight crime on another level. But he had to reject it to make full use of it.

Bane acquired his wealth through a combination of natural ability and criminal aptitude. For Bane, criminals are his family. Who is he supposed to fight?[/quote]

I am not saying they will reduce him to “meathead” status. I am saying that in the latest incarnation of that character, the people he surrounded himself with were just gymrats who were using Venom as the “new steroid” on the street. That is how they treated it. Also, while Bane may be known for his brains, that is usually NOT how most of the general public sees it because even in cartoon versions of him, they focus more in his size and strength. Hell, have you EVER seen Bane in cartoon form where his mental capabilities were the main focus?

I think Nolan will concentrate more on his mentality, but I also think it is inevitable that he will use his basic desire to be that big and strong as a source of pathology.

It doesn’t matter how much they play that angle up. The smallest hint at it is all they need because THAT is what the general public will focus on.[/quote]

Fair enough, but I doubt Nolan will use the cartoon as a template. Then again, street level venom addicts as Bane followers would make an interesting counterpoint to the Bat-copycats (copy-bats?) in TDK.

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Also, Batman went completely left in that last movie as far as his muscular development is concerned…and if they do that again, there will be even more of a contrast between them as if Batman doesn’t even train to be much bigger than the average “fit” man.[/quote]

I don’t believe that Bale’s reduction in size between Begins and TDK was entirely deliberate. If he gets any skinnier, it’ll mean that he starved himself one time too many. I was attacked for saying that once, but Bale has said in interviews that he finds starving himself worryingly easy to do.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you all should be prepared for some very negative takes on or relations to weight lifting or bodybuilding.[/quote]

Would you mind elaborating? I am not a huge comic book buff but these movies and some threads on tnation have got me reading a few.[/quote]

Bane is as big and strong as he is because of “venom” a cartoon version of super steroids that have a very short half life that requires him to constantly inject himself with it to remain that big. In “Nolan fashion” in order to get inside the head of a character like that, how could you not expect to see some major slashes against this lifestyle?

You would have to not know the character at all to not see that coming.

Even in the DC online video game, all of Banes henchmen are plaid like average “meatheads”.[/quote]

Bane is defined by his brains, not brawn. Nolan would not reduce him to a meathead stereotype. Bane’s mother gave birth to him in an Argentinian prison and he lived there, cultivating himself physically and mentally. He already possessed Bruce Wayne’s potential, but each applied that potential in ways that would bring them into direct conflict.

I get what you’re saying Prof., but I think Chris Nolan is above saying Bane beat Batman via chemical assistance (venom). Bane is a far better analogue for Nolan’s Batman than say, Black Mask.

In Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne spent time in prison way before he met Ducard or became Batman. Crucially, Wayne put himself there: he became a petty crook to understand the mindset of one. He did it because the idea of criminality was foreign to him. His parents didn’t understand it either and they were killed.

His wealth intially protected him from crime; wealth was the cause of his parents’ death, and the wealth he inherited as a result of their deaths eventually allowed him to fight crime on another level. But he had to reject it to make full use of it.

Bane acquired his wealth through a combination of natural ability and criminal aptitude. For Bane, criminals are his family. Who is he supposed to fight?[/quote]

I am not saying they will reduce him to “meathead” status. I am saying that in the latest incarnation of that character, the people he surrounded himself with were just gymrats who were using Venom as the “new steroid” on the street. That is how they treated it. Also, while Bane may be known for his brains, that is usually NOT how most of the general public sees it because even in cartoon versions of him, they focus more in his size and strength. Hell, have you EVER seen Bane in cartoon form where his mental capabilities were the main focus?

I think Nolan will concentrate more on his mentality, but I also think it is inevitable that he will use his basic desire to be that big and strong as a source of pathology.

It doesn’t matter how much they play that angle up. The smallest hint at it is all they need because THAT is what the general public will focus on.

Also, Batman went completely left in that last movie as far as his muscular development is concerned…and if they do that again, there will be even more of a contrast between them as if Batman doesn’t even train to be much bigger than the average “fit” man.[/quote]

Watch batman the animated series with Bane or the last “Young Justice” episode that had him in it. BTAS really featured his tactical side more. He was only in one episode I believe, but it was a good characterization.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you all should be prepared for some very negative takes on or relations to weight lifting or bodybuilding.[/quote]

Would you mind elaborating? I am not a huge comic book buff but these movies and some threads on tnation have got me reading a few.[/quote]

Bane is as big and strong as he is because of “venom” a cartoon version of super steroids that have a very short half life that requires him to constantly inject himself with it to remain that big. In “Nolan fashion” in order to get inside the head of a character like that, how could you not expect to see some major slashes against this lifestyle?

You would have to not know the character at all to not see that coming.

Even in the DC online video game, all of Banes henchmen are plaid like average “meatheads”.[/quote]

Bane is defined by his brains, not brawn. Nolan would not reduce him to a meathead stereotype. Bane’s mother gave birth to him in an Argentinian prison and he lived there, cultivating himself physically and mentally. He already possessed Bruce Wayne’s potential, but each applied that potential in ways that would bring them into direct conflict.

I get what you’re saying Prof., but I think Chris Nolan is above saying Bane beat Batman via chemical assistance (venom). Bane is a far better analogue for Nolan’s Batman than say, Black Mask.

In Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne spent time in prison way before he met Ducard or became Batman. Crucially, Wayne put himself there: he became a petty crook to understand the mindset of one. He did it because the idea of criminality was foreign to him. His parents didn’t understand it either and they were killed.

His wealth intially protected him from crime; wealth was the cause of his parents’ death, and the wealth he inherited as a result of their deaths eventually allowed him to fight crime on another level. But he had to reject it to make full use of it.

Bane acquired his wealth through a combination of natural ability and criminal aptitude. For Bane, criminals are his family. Who is he supposed to fight?[/quote]

I am not saying they will reduce him to “meathead” status. I am saying that in the latest incarnation of that character, the people he surrounded himself with were just gymrats who were using Venom as the “new steroid” on the street. That is how they treated it. Also, while Bane may be known for his brains, that is usually NOT how most of the general public sees it because even in cartoon versions of him, they focus more in his size and strength. Hell, have you EVER seen Bane in cartoon form where his mental capabilities were the main focus?

I think Nolan will concentrate more on his mentality, but I also think it is inevitable that he will use his basic desire to be that big and strong as a source of pathology.

It doesn’t matter how much they play that angle up. The smallest hint at it is all they need because THAT is what the general public will focus on.[/quote]

Fair enough, but I doubt Nolan will use the cartoon as a template. Then again, street level venom addicts as Bane followers would make an interesting counterpoint to the Bat-copycats (copy-bats?) in TDK.

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Dang. I was thinking Batman’s smaller size in TDK was a hint, along with his collection of scars, of the toll his constant war was taking.

Not happy to hear I was wrong.

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[quote]Vash wrote:
Dang. I was thinking Batman’s smaller size in TDK was a hint, along with his collection of scars, of the toll his constant war was taking.

Not happy to hear I was wrong.[/quote]

When has Bale half assed his physical prep for a role? I don’t think he was smaller by accident. But I do think some of the negative comments he may have gotten (like people calling him fat) may have been part of the decision. Either way, if he is that size or smaller again, all I expect is negative associations with Bane’s size.

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[quote]Vash wrote:
Dang. I was thinking Batman’s smaller size in TDK was a hint, along with his collection of scars, of the toll his constant war was taking.[/quote]

That’s a good explanation for why he slimmed down for TDK. The only issue is that Bale said in interviews for Batman Begins that he saw Batman as “a beast”, which led to the decisions to bulk up and also the infamous “Bat-voice”, which were meant to be an outward expression of that mind set.

He has also spoken of how he experiences an almost zen-like state of calm and stillness when he starves down for a role. Not to mention he’ll have done so before every Batman movie once the cameras roll on the third one: The Machinist before BB; Rescue Dawn before TDK; The Fighter before TDKR.

I’m not saying that he is physically incapable of bulking again, but he may not be mentally inclined to do so considering how he talks of fasting for a role. Also, I’ve yet to read or see anything official from anybody involved with the Batman movies on how the reduction in size was deliberate.

I’d be happy to be proven wrong on this, because I’d actually prefer the “wear and tear” explanation to what I just said. I’m just calling it as I see it. There may be something in the commentary for TDK. I haven’t seen it so I can’t comment. Maybe someone has, and could verify if Bale’s build is discussed in the yak-track?

I know that Nolan explained the streamlined TDK Batsuit, but I’ve never come across any trivia on the specifics of Bale’s trimmer appearance.

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I’ve read before that Bale got up to about 230 or so before filming began for Batman Begins but that he eventually dropped down to about 200 for filming because he felt that Batman relied primarily on speed and agility and that his own weight should reflect this. I also read that he did the same thing before TDK, where he went up to almost 240 and then dropped back down to about 200.

I watched both films last weekend and I didn’t notice any size difference in Bale. As Batman, he looks slightly trimmed down, but this is probably due to the more streamlined suit he uses. If there was any sort of weight difference between the two, it was probably because Bale felt it would be easier to perform his stunts and fighting scenes with a little less weight. I think you guys are reading too far into this weight thing.

The movie hasn’t even started filming yet and you’re all ready and prepared for the steroid witch hunts that will arise from what’s a negligible weight difference in Bale and the size of Bane, which could be any sort of size at this point.