Question, does anyone wonder whether the technology in the movie with the cell phones is possible in any way? With every phone in the country containing a built in camera, is it possible that someone could use this for information retrieval without any of us knowing the difference?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Question, does anyone wonder whether the technology in the movie with the cell phones is possible in any way? With every phone in the country containing a built in camera, is it possible that someone could use this for information retrieval without any of us knowing the difference?[/quote]
I’m sure it is. I don’t know if there’s any sort of sonar technology quite strong or effective enough to give the full-scale model representations of the buildings, but it is an intriguing idea nonetheless. I’m sure we already have 20 CIA guys in a bunker somehwere, working on this.
My review:
WTF? How can so much awesome be crammed into such a short movie.
It was NOT at all what I expected, and the plot twists were not from the comics and nothing like the original, but still very good and very well put together.
I don’t like Batman. Seriously. I understand he was meant to be pretentious, stereotypical, etc, but I just don’t think Bale did a great job with the part. Harvey Dent could have shown more emotion (passion for what he was doing) too.
Theres rumors circulating about Ledger getting an Oscar nod. I hate it when dead people get more credit than they deserve just because they are dead, but THIS IS NOT THE CASE. The girl I was with was literally squirming and digging nails into my forearm at certain scenes, one of the best villain portrayals I’ve ever seen.
I did have certain problems with the movie:
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Like the “decision” of who to save? Joker was in a police station, knew that there were plenty of people to save both, gives Bat the choice, and still only one of them makes it. Too convenient.
And death. Balance it out. I have a hard time grasping that Batman would be willing to let so many people die. One example (there are others) is the hospital thing. Let the rat go, save a hospital.
I’m going to see it again as soon as I find the nearest IMAX theater.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Like the “decision” of who to save? Joker was in a police station, knew that there were plenty of people to save both, gives Bat the choice, and still only one of them makes it. Too convenient.[/quote]
I am assuming you know the goal was for neither to be saved? I agree with much of what you wrote, but I thought both this “decision” and the one he left up to the people on the boat were both to prove that people were willing to let others die to save their own asses or those of their own loved ones.
They evacuated the hospital.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I know one thing…you assholes had better write SPOILER at the top before you let loose tons of Bat-Info.[/quote]
Spoiler #1 :
Heath Ledger is the JOKER! Who knew?
Thats the only freebie ya getting! In all seriousness, I would have to say the movie is one of the BEST comic-book to movie adaptions ever made, and one of the best movies Ive seen in quite awhile. Heath Ledger’s performance is the stuff of legends… if he doesnt win an Oscar for his performance, I will be a very sad panda:(
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Question, does anyone wonder whether the technology in the movie with the cell phones is possible in any way? With every phone in the country containing a built in camera, is it possible that someone could use this for information retrieval without any of us knowing the difference?[/quote]
I suppose anything is possible, but it seems to me as though you would need several phones in, for example, a room in order to get any sort picture of people moving around or anything more precise than just a general topography like you would get from a point sonar.
The voice stuff on the other hand? Seems certainly possible to me to set up cell phones as remote listening stations although I’d imagine you would have to already have a voice sample in order to look through and filter out the other noise.
Scary stuff to think about though.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Question, does anyone wonder whether the technology in the movie with the cell phones is possible in any way? With every phone in the country containing a built in camera, is it possible that someone could use this for information retrieval without any of us knowing the difference?
I suppose anything is possible, but it seems to me as though you would need several phones in, for example, a room in order to get any sort picture of people moving around or anything more precise than just a general topography like you would get from a point sonar.
The voice stuff on the other hand? Seems certainly possible to me to set up cell phones as remote listening stations although I’d imagine you would have to already have a voice sample in order to look through and filter out the other noise.
Scary stuff to think about though.[/quote]
The thing is, I do think about it. That’s why I hate that every phone everywhere has a camera on it. Even if the technology was completely based on getting that weak, non-geographical image, GPS can fill in the blanks.
Like Lucious(sp?) stated, that is too much power for any one man to have. I also wouldn’t put it past some of our current politicians…or future ones.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jtrinsey wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Question, does anyone wonder whether the technology in the movie with the cell phones is possible in any way? With every phone in the country containing a built in camera, is it possible that someone could use this for information retrieval without any of us knowing the difference?
I suppose anything is possible, but it seems to me as though you would need several phones in, for example, a room in order to get any sort picture of people moving around or anything more precise than just a general topography like you would get from a point sonar.
The voice stuff on the other hand? Seems certainly possible to me to set up cell phones as remote listening stations although I’d imagine you would have to already have a voice sample in order to look through and filter out the other noise.
Scary stuff to think about though.
The thing is, I do think about it. That’s why I hate that every phone everywhere has a camera on it. Even if the technology was completely based on getting that weak, non-geographical image, GPS can fill in the blanks.
Like Lucious(sp?) stated, that is too much power for any one man to have. I also wouldn’t put it past some of our current politicians…or future ones.[/quote]
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I bet you Batman made a second copy of that machine and he’ll use it in his Bat Cave. That weapon is too good to just be burned up cause Lucious has a conscious.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Like the “decision” of who to save? Joker was in a police station, knew that there were plenty of people to save both, gives Bat the choice, and still only one of them makes it. Too convenient.
I am assuming you know the goal was for neither to be saved? I agree with much of what you wrote, but I thought both this “decision” and the one he left up to the people on the boat were both to prove that people were willing to let others die to save their own asses or those of their own loved ones.[/quote]
If I’m not mistaken police tried to make it to both locations but were too slow. I suspect the Joker knew how to time it. He waited long enough to give them the locations where only Batman would be able to make it in time to save one of them and he intentionally lead him to Dent because he knew Rachael’s death would turn him.
[quote]Wimpy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Like the “decision” of who to save? Joker was in a police station, knew that there were plenty of people to save both, gives Bat the choice, and still only one of them makes it. Too convenient.
I am assuming you know the goal was for neither to be saved? I agree with much of what you wrote, but I thought both this “decision” and the one he left up to the people on the boat were both to prove that people were willing to let others die to save their own asses or those of their own loved ones.
If I’m not mistaken police tried to make it to both locations but were too slow. I suspect the Joker knew how to time it. He waiting long enough to give them the locations where only Batman would be able to make it in time to save one of them and he intentionally lead him to Dent because he knew Rachael’s death would turn him. [/quote]
True. Good explanation.
I also think Bale did a great job considering this movie drops that character right in the middle of all of this going on in the city at the same time. In one movie, he loses his childhood love interest, Gordon becomes the commissioner, The Joker pops up and changes his life and Dent shows up and puts a very public face on improving the city…which is what Batman always wanted.
I think the whole point was that Batman was ready to take a backseat to what Dent was trying to do.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Like the “decision” of who to save? Joker was in a police station, knew that there were plenty of people to save both, gives Bat the choice, and still only one of them makes it. Too convenient.
I am assuming you know the goal was for neither to be saved? I agree with much of what you wrote, but I thought both this “decision” and the one he left up to the people on the boat were both to prove that people were willing to let others die to save their own asses or those of their own loved ones.
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I know. This is the problem I have with the whole situation.
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And death. Balance it out. I have a hard time grasping that Batman would be willing to let so many people die. One example (there are others) is the hospital thing. Let the rat go, save a hospital.
They evacuated the hospital.[/quote]
I realize this, and should have said the “potential” to die.
I thought the movie was great. Heath Ledger was everything one could want in a villain; I thought he did a great job. The guy who played Harvey Dent did great too.
I came away though thinking Batman was the coolest.
jpb
I know this may sound ridiculous, but I’m pretty happy with the ‘realistic’ attempts at superhero movies these past few years. I was a serious comic geek back in the early/mid 80’s, and there was just no way anyone would have been able to pull these types of films off. Hell, I loved the Tim Burton Batman when it first came out, although now, it does seem a bit goofy (especially, Nicholson, who let’s face it, is playing himself -lol). Burton did try to catch some of the darker elements of the comics, and as I would often discuss the Batman story with friends of mine (I have degrees in psychology and film), it always seemed to bother me when people just sort of skipped over the whole psychosis of the characters, especially Batman himself. Ledger’s portrayal of the Joker, was just what it was supposed to be,… disturbing. I actually winced furing his little ‘magic trick’ with the pencil.
Overall, a brilliant film, Chris Nolan truly did the franchise proud (and Joel Schumacher should be beaten with rattan poles and forced to watch nothing but Chris Nolan films so that he understands what a well directed superhero movie looks like)
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It looks like the estimated opening day gross was $66 million, which easily beats the record set by Spider-Man 3.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
It looks like the estimated opening day gross was $66 million, which easily beats the record set by Spider-Man 3.
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Yeah. It also set the “midnight preview” record at just over $18 million. So that’s $84 million with the rest of the weekend left. It looks good to set a new opening weekend record.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Like the “decision” of who to save? Joker was in a police station, knew that there were plenty of people to save both, gives Bat the choice, and still only one of them makes it. Too convenient.
I am assuming you know the goal was for neither to be saved? I agree with much of what you wrote, but I thought both this “decision” and the one he left up to the people on the boat were both to prove that people were willing to let others die to save their own asses or those of their own loved ones.
And death. Balance it out. I have a hard time grasping that Batman would be willing to let so many people die. One example (there are others) is the hospital thing. Let the rat go, save a hospital.
They evacuated the hospital.[/quote]
Did Joker know Batman’s secret identity? I vaguely remember him mentioning the way Batman “jumped” after Rachael or something like that. Is that referencing the suite scene? And how the hell did both of them survive that fall anyway?
The actress that played Rachael Dawes was spot on though I didn’t really find her all that attractive. Why did they get rid of the woman from Dawson’s Creek, i.e. Tom Cruise’s wife?
[quote]En Sabah Nur wrote:
The actress that played Rachael Dawes was spot on though I didn’t really find her all that attractive. Why did they get rid of the woman from Dawson’s Creek, i.e. Tom Cruise’s wife?[/quote]
Katie Holmes’ agent said she didn’t want to be in the movie because she didn’t want to spend too much time away from her family. I think that just code for “Tom Cruise has her chained up in the basement.”
I agree though. Maggie Gyllenhaal is a good actress, but she does nothing for me.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Question, does anyone wonder whether the technology in the movie with the cell phones is possible in any way? With every phone in the country containing a built in camera, is it possible that someone could use this for information retrieval without any of us knowing the difference?[/quote]
Ehh, maybe something verrrrryyyy basic but definitely nothing like what was in the movie. Most peoples phones probably hang out their pocket all day making the camera almost a moot feature 90% of the time I’d say. My phone’s camera right now is facing a desk, so all it would image is a black picture.
You certainly wouldnt be able to move and down building floors in real time 3d like they were doing.
[quote]En Sabah Nur wrote:
Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Did Joker know Batman’s secret identity? I vaguely remember him mentioning the way Batman “jumped” after Rachael or something like that. Is that referencing the suite scene? And how the hell did both of them survive that fall anyway?[/quote]
I think he just figured out that whoever batman was, he was in love with Rachael, and knowing that he would save Harvey just ensured that Rachael’s death would mess both of them up.
Also, Has anyone else ever heard of “Game Theory”, AKA “The Prisoners Dilemma” ?? I thought that was so cool that they incorporated that idea into the movie via the ferries.
Is there a certain arch or book that these movies are following? Or is it just a compilation of the last 40+ years of comics?
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
En Sabah Nur wrote:
Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Did Joker know Batman’s secret identity? I vaguely remember him mentioning the way Batman “jumped” after Rachael or something like that. Is that referencing the suite scene? And how the hell did both of them survive that fall anyway?
I think he just figured out that whoever batman was, he was in love with Rachael, and knowing that he would save Harvey just ensured that Rachael’s death would mess both of them up.
Also, Has anyone else ever heard of “Game Theory”, AKA “The Prisoners Dilemma” ?? I thought that was so cool that they incorporated that idea into the movie via the ferries.
Is there a certain arch or book that these movies are following? Or is it just a compilation of the last 40+ years of comics?[/quote]
I think that it’s just sort of loosely following the comics, but I’m in no way a comic book expert.
Something that I’ve been really impressed with are the questions that are being posed days after people have seen it. Most comic adaptations don’t have that sort of “second” questioning mentality; what you see is what you get. This movie had a lot of implications, and only a few answers.
I keep getting bugged at work by people if I think Harvey Dent is actually dead… any thoughts? I think he is…