The Dark Knight: Official Review Thread

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
skaklight wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Question, does anyone wonder whether the technology in the movie with the cell phones is possible in any way? With every phone in the country containing a built in camera, is it possible that someone could use this for information retrieval without any of us knowing the difference?

This part of the movie was annoying to me. Cell phones operate by sending and receiving signals, just like sonar. The difference is they operate in different frequency ranges. Cell phones operate in the upper 100 MHZ to GHZ range, while sonar is low MHZ and below. One would need to install new hardware into every cell phone to pull that off, and maybe that’s what they intended us to think, but I didn’t feel there was time for the majority of the population to cycle through a phone (1-2 yrs?). It seemed like he wanted us to think he reprogrammed the phones or something, IDK. I chalked it up to ‘its just a movie’ and tried to ignore it.

So don’t worry this probably won’t be happening any time soon, but Nolan just gave the bastards the idea.

Great movie though.

You seem like you know something about this, so don’t you think the upper ranges could be filtered without added hardware?[/quote]

A cell phone signal will not reflect (much), so there would have to be hardware on every phone, not just new hardware at one location (like in the movie) If your question is plausibility: yes; possibility: low. There would need to be some very deep pockets , almost government like pockets(uh-oh!), funding the operation to cram some tiny hardware into a device that everyone wants as small as possible.

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[quote]skaklight wrote:
Professor X wrote:
skaklight wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Question, does anyone wonder whether the technology in the movie with the cell phones is possible in any way? With every phone in the country containing a built in camera, is it possible that someone could use this for information retrieval without any of us knowing the difference?

This part of the movie was annoying to me. Cell phones operate by sending and receiving signals, just like sonar. The difference is they operate in different frequency ranges. Cell phones operate in the upper 100 MHZ to GHZ range, while sonar is low MHZ and below. One would need to install new hardware into every cell phone to pull that off, and maybe that’s what they intended us to think, but I didn’t feel there was time for the majority of the population to cycle through a phone (1-2 yrs?). It seemed like he wanted us to think he reprogrammed the phones or something, IDK. I chalked it up to ‘its just a movie’ and tried to ignore it.

So don’t worry this probably won’t be happening any time soon, but Nolan just gave the bastards the idea.

Great movie though.

You seem like you know something about this, so don’t you think the upper ranges could be filtered without added hardware?

A cell phone signal will not reflect (much), so there would have to be hardware on every phone, not just new hardware at one location (like in the movie) If your question is plausibility: yes; possibility: low. There would need to be some very deep pockets , almost government like pockets(uh-oh!), funding the operation to cram some tiny hardware into a device that everyone wants as small as possible.
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That could easily be explained by a Wayne Enterprises dominated cell phone industry.

Thanks for the info though.

Likewise, I would be very surprised if Microsoft doesn’t have a backdoor into systems that use their products.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
“Oh, she’s horrible!! Don’t you think she’s ugly, Sweety!!?”

“Oh, yes, that face…EWWWWWWW!!!”

After every fucking scene.

This is why I quit going to movies to begin with.[/quote]

…Did you happen to see this movie in my town o_O

I had a couple of jack asses behind me doing the EXACT same thing.

Yes, Maggie isn’t that good looking compared to the last girl… but they could have STFU about it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Digity wrote:
I thought it was a great performance by Ledger, but I don’t think anyone would be talking about an Oscar had he not passed away.

I think the only reason he would not have gotten one is that they tend to overlook “superhero movies” completely when it comes to those awards…but you can’t overlook this. He did that damned well that his character stole the whole damn movie.

They actually didn’t even need Harvey Dent in this one even though he did great as well.[/quote]

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If they took out the Harvey Dent character I don’t think they couldn’t have made the movie as long as it was. They gave the perfect amount of time before turning him into TwoFace. Here’s my review/rant.

I don’t watch many movies anymore because I’m constantly critiquing how well the story develops/ties up ends/has meaning etc. Infact the only reason I initially went to see this was because everyone else I know has/is going to see it and I don’t feel like being a social outcast for the next month.

This is as close to a perfect movie as I’ve ever seen. Every little detail in the plot is perfectly constructed, characters develop flawlessly. Nothing at all in this picture seems rushed. Twists, turns, and bends in the road are all perfectly constructed, not one of them seems cheesey. The concept of a ‘Batman’ seems too farfetched to make into a realistic picture, but they pull it off. He’s not doing ridiculous flips and jumps that defy the laws of gravity. There is no superhuman aspect to the physics in the film, yet it’s the perfect balance of larger than life/realism that keeps you on your toes the entire time.

Now the Joker:

If that man does not get an Oscar for this film something is seriously wrong. There will be alot of pissed off people in the world. I read an article before seeing the film saying that the pattern shows that dead actors usually don’t win Oscars, this HAS to be the exception.

The character is completely sick and twisted to the point of being disgusting, yet he makes him absolutely real. Every little naunce in his acting is necessary to make this film what it is.

“Now for a magic trick, I’m going to make this pencil disapear.” :slight_smile:

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[quote]mthomps wrote:

“Now for a magic trick, I’m going to make this pencil dissapear.” :slight_smile: [/quote]

Everyone in my theater jumped out of their seats for that one.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

That could easily be explained by a Wayne Enterprises dominated cell phone industry.[/quote]

It could be explained, I guess the nerd in me wishes it was explained more thoroughly.

That’s scary stuff, I’d prefer to remain ignorant for sanity’s sake.

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[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
I got to the IMAX 2 hours early, and was first in line in what ended up being 200 people behind me. I either rule, or am a huge loser. I’m going with the former.

Anyway, I can’t really add anything that hasn’t already been said somewhere within the previous 8 pages, so I’ll pose a question instead:

Can anyone think of a better acting performance, as far as completely encompassing a character as your own and playing it perfectly, than Heath Ledger as The Joker in this movie?

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No. In an earlier post I stated that acting teachers are going to use his performance as a basis for truly evolving into ones character, and I stand by that statement. The more I think about it the better the film gets. Someone else posted that if Ledger hadn’t passed there wouldn’t be Oscar talk. I completely disagree. If he were still around this performance would’ve vaulted him to the top
of the list of “heavyweights” in his industry. If there’s any solace amongst fans in his passing, it’s that NO ONE will ever do it better.I want to go see it again today but I have class in a bit.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
mthomps wrote:

“Now for a magic trick, I’m going to make this pencil dissapear.” :slight_smile:

Everyone in my theater jumped out of their seats for that one.[/quote]

Everyone around me (myself included) was like “Daaaamn!”

“No no I kill the bus driver.”

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Someone else posted that if Ledger hadn’t passed there wouldn’t be Oscar talk. I completely disagree. If he were still around this performance would’ve vaulted him to the top
of the list of “heavyweights” in his industry. [/quote]

I completely agree, WhiteFlash. Death or not, that was one of, if not the, best acting performances I’ve ever seen.

Someone said that it’s not hard to stand-out in a film when you’re portraying a psychotic clown. Indeed, quite true. However, I think it IS extremely hard to play a psychotic clown and not make it look ridiculous, because the premise is pretty damn ridiculous.

Heath made a psychotic sociopathic clown legitimately creepy, yet still incredibly fun to watch. That’s tough to do.

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[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Someone else posted that if Ledger hadn’t passed there wouldn’t be Oscar talk. I completely disagree. If he were still around this performance would’ve vaulted him to the top of the list of “heavyweights” in his industry.

I completely agree, WhiteFlash. Death or not, that was one of, if not the, best acting performances I’ve ever seen.

Someone said that it’s not hard to stand-out in a film when you’re portraying a psychotic clown. Indeed, quite true. However, I think it IS extremely hard to play a psychotic clown and not make it look ridiculous, because the premise is pretty damn ridiculous.

Heath made a psychotic sociopathic clown legitimately creepy, yet still incredibly fun to watch. That’s tough to do.[/quote]

Also, and this may have been said before, but if I hadn’t known in advance that was Heath Ledger going into the movie, I honestly wouldn’t have guessed it was him. I would have had to watch the credits to see who played The Joker.

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[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Someone else posted that if Ledger hadn’t passed there wouldn’t be Oscar talk. I completely disagree. If he were still around this performance would’ve vaulted him to the top
of the list of “heavyweights” in his industry.

I completely agree, WhiteFlash. Death or not, that was one of, if not the, best acting performances I’ve ever seen.

Someone said that it’s not hard to stand-out in a film when you’re portraying a psychotic clown. Indeed, quite true. However, I think it IS extremely hard to play a psychotic clown and not make it look ridiculous, because the premise is pretty damn ridiculous.

Heath made a psychotic sociopathic clown legitimately creepy, yet still incredibly fun to watch. That’s tough to do.[/quote]

He knocked it outta the fuckin’ park. Someone here posted Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs and the bad guy in No country as comparisons, but I gotta be honest, I think Ledgers performance dwarfs theirs, and that’s no easy feat.

I thought Eckhart did an awesome job and Bale always kicks ass, but the Joker stole the movie. Easily the best villainous portayal of all time. I don’t know how to explain it, but I was almost “giddy” every time he was on screen. I don’t think I’ve ever watched the Oscars and generally don’t give a shit about what goes on in movieland, but if Ledger doesn’t win a serious injustice is taking place.

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Wrong image. I’ll just post another one.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Someone else posted that if Ledger hadn’t passed there wouldn’t be Oscar talk. I completely disagree. If he were still around this performance would’ve vaulted him to the top
of the list of “heavyweights” in his industry.

I completely agree, WhiteFlash. Death or not, that was one of, if not the, best acting performances I’ve ever seen.

Someone said that it’s not hard to stand-out in a film when you’re portraying a psychotic clown. Indeed, quite true. However, I think it IS extremely hard to play a psychotic clown and not make it look ridiculous, because the premise is pretty damn ridiculous.

Heath made a psychotic sociopathic clown legitimately creepy, yet still incredibly fun to watch. That’s tough to do.

He knocked it outta the fuckin’ park. Someone here posted Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs and the bad guy in No country as comparisons, but I gotta be honest, I think Ledgers performance dwarfs theirs, and that’s no easy feat.

I thought Eckhart did an awesome job and Bale always kicks ass, but the Joker stole the movie. Easily the best villainous portayal of all time. I don’t know how to explain it, but I was almost “giddy” every time he was on screen. I don’t think I’ve ever watched the Oscars and generally don’t give a shit about what goes on in movieland, but if Ledger doesn’t win a serious injustice is taking place.
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He easily knocked Jack Nicholason’s portrayel of the Joker out of the f–king ballpark. To me the movie easily is on that G.O.A.T. level. I am seriously in awe at just how amazing the movie is in all respect’s from everyone involved (Bale, EckHart, Ledger, Christopher Nolan’s directing). This isnt just the BEST comic-to-movie translation but one of the best movies out their period.

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I also want to add I loved what they did with the appearance of two-face. I was wondering how they were gonna play it, and they absolutely killed it.

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I accidentally hit the post button and created another thread. my bad.

i saw it on opening day but only today saw there was a thread. anyways, i was literally blown away by this movie. ive really tried to find a flaw in the film but i couldnt. everybody did their job and ledgers performance was really one of the top(if not #1) individual performances ive ever seen.

I think he deserves the oscar hands down but i dont like how many people give him the nod simply because hes dead, because he deserves it regardless. aside from the acting the details of the movie itself were beter than any other batman or superhero movie for that matter.

The jokers set up of simply being crazy and getting his scars was beleivable compared to the orginal with Nicholson. im rambling but all in all i simply thought it was incredible. one of the best ive ever seen.

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The Dark Knight is a strong movie with serious script and plot that delves into the depths of the human condition by showing how every action has a reaction, every decision is open to mistakes, and everything you attain comes at a price.

We think we are the puppets of a chaotic Universe, but we are not children of fate, we are what we choose (to be). Some of us are afraid to make that choice, and we remain anonymous, inconsequential.

Others embrace the life and opportunities they are given; by adhering to their moral code (which they know may be fallible) and not avoiding difficult decisions, they rise above the average citizen and become…heroes. And they pay for it too.

This movie is about heroes, about the price this exacts, and about how they are essential to civilisation if we expect it to last without dissolving into anarchy.

Watch the movie again, and start counting how many people become heroes, and how many fail trying. As long as there are heroes brave enough to rise up and do what is right, there is hope.

This is one of the very best movies I’ve seen in years. The story, the script and the cast were all of the highest quality and came together with a power that few movies in history have managed to channel.

It just happens to have Batman in it.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
En Sabah Nur wrote:
Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:

Also, Has anyone else ever heard of “Game Theory”, AKA “The Prisoners Dilemma” ?? I thought that was so cool that they incorporated that idea into the movie via the ferries.

I too thought the incorporation of the game theory was interesting. It’s a goog thing neither ships understood the “Nash Equilibruim”.

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[quote]HueyLewis wrote:
i saw it on opening day but only today saw there was a thread. anyways, i was literally blown away by this movie. ive really tried to find a flaw in the film but i couldnt. everybody did their job and ledgers performance was really one of the top(if not #1) individual performances ive ever seen.
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I wouldn’t say it was flawless…why do they leave a bodygaurd with the Joker in the interrogation room? Why didn’t they just leave Joker inside alone? They had to put a guard in there so he could escape…even though, it made no sense to really have him in there. There was small stuff like that that bothered me at times, but it’s minor in the big picture.

Also, the cell phone idea was far-fetched…

I mean, no movie is ever perfect. If you think something is flawless then you’re not looking hard enough.

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[quote]Digity wrote:
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I wouldn’t say it was flawless…why do they leave a bodygaurd with the Joker in the interrogation room? Why didn’t they just leave Joker inside alone? They had to put a guard in there so he could escape…even though, it made no sense to really have him in there.[/quote]

It might not have made much sense, but that was not the Joker’s only escape route anyways. He had planted the bomb in that one guy, so even if the cop wasn’t in there, I’m guessing that his henchmen would have come and freed him after the explosion.

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[quote]Dabba wrote:
Digity wrote:
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I wouldn’t say it was flawless…why do they leave a bodygaurd with the Joker in the interrogation room? Why didn’t they just leave Joker inside alone? They had to put a guard in there so he could escape…even though, it made no sense to really have him in there.

It might not have made much sense, but that was not the Joker’s only escape route anyways. He had planted the bomb in that one guy, so even if the cop wasn’t in there, I’m guessing that his henchmen would have come and freed him after the explosion. [/quote]

He had to make the call for the explosion to go off. They left the guard in there to watch him.

It’s actually pretty common with “high risk” inmates. I think the implanted cell phone was to show the devotion his kronies had to him, and to the lengths they would go to for anarchy. You can find flaws with anything, but you’re just nitpicking.