[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
These people convinced the animals to stop walking into fires and flinging themselves into peoples mouths.[/quote]
I don’t know of any animals that do/did this though I could be convinced that deer would.[/quote]
Most people consume a few spiders this way a year in their sleep. The spider sees a dark warm place and think it’s a good idea to make a home out of it until they become an accidental midnight snack. YUMMM[/quote]
Brazilian Wandering Spiders hide themselves in bunches of bananas and have been reportedly shipped to supermarkets without the packaging employees realising they were in there, that scares me. Would probably scare me a little less if it was a harmless spider, but that thing will do some heinous shit to the human body.[/quote]
No, it’s exciting. Exciting in a very apathetic sense.
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
These people convinced the animals to stop walking into fires and flinging themselves into peoples mouths.[/quote]
I don’t know of any animals that do/did this though I could be convinced that deer would.[/quote]
Most people consume a few spiders this way a year in their sleep. The spider sees a dark warm place and think it’s a good idea to make a home out of it until they become an accidental midnight snack. YUMMM[/quote]
I wonder how true this actually is. Even in developing regions.[/quote]
People really believe that spiders are stupid enough to routinely wander directly into a wet, loud and drafty caverns (they missed the evolutionary memo that those places usually aren’t fun)? That they can do this without tickling the face, lips or tongue to wake the individual up and proceed far enough back into the throat to induce a reflexive swallow without causing a coughing or choking spasm?
Well, it’s on the internet, so it must be true.[/quote]
I love you, like for real.
I was about to drive home from work and swallow a blow torch… Now I can refrain and just eat some jalapenos instead. [/quote]
Hey now. Reconsider what that blowtorch could do for your regularity.
If its taking you 8-10 hours a day to network, apply for jobs, fine tune your resume, etc, you’re being highly inefficient…
…just sayin’.
I think that’s terrible advice. Like telling someone they should workout 4 hours a day. As someone who went through 150 job applications recently and networked liked crazy over 5 months and ended up landing a job, I think I spent like 1-2 hr a day on the process.
The only thing worse than feeling like you’re not doing anything all day is spending hours on end wasting your time on futile efforts.
Go learn a new skill. Pick up a book on fine tuning your social skills like “How to Win Friends and Influence People.” That will help you get a job.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
If its taking you 8-10 hours a day to network, apply for jobs, fine tune your resume, etc, you’re being highly inefficient…
…just sayin’.
I think that’s terrible advice. Like telling someone they should workout 4 hours a day. As someone who went through 150 job applications recently and networked liked crazy over 5 months and ended up landing a job, I think I spent like 1-2 hr a day on the process.
The only thing worse than feeling like you’re not doing anything all day is spending hours on end wasting your time on futile efforts.
Go learn a new skill. Pick up a book on fine tuning your social skills like “How to Win Friends and Influence People.” That will help you get a job. [/quote]
Maybe if you spent 2-4 it would of only taken you 2.5 months
Fullback, can you give me your address and phone number so I can pass it on to every homeless guy and panhandler I meet from now on. I’m sure they’ll be thrilled to hear about you and your philosophy of philanthropy.
[quote]Fullback33 wrote:
I am not joking. “Earn a living”? Earn it from who? Really think hard about what earn means. Many many valuable and awesome things should be earned. Not food, shelter or health. All this “work ethic” is bullshit invented by the excessively rich to keep the people who have to “earn” to live in line and as productive as possible. Hard work leading to success is probably a more damaging myth than religion.[/quote]
This is even dumber than the first thing you said. I keep trying to type rebuttals but it’s honestly too stupid to argue about.[/quote]
Please try to type more rebuttals. This is a discussion.[/quote]
If it was a discussion you would have addressed one of the people trying to converse with you about the costs associated with your alleged right to food, shelter and health. At this point I’m convinced you’re either trolling or you have no reasonable, logical defense of your position beyond “No, you’re wrong, food and shelter and health is a right.”
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules[/quote]
lol, okay. Please explain how the “rules” of life can be altered so that one doesn’t have to earn their food or housing, yet the population is still free.
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules[/quote]
lol, okay. Please explain how the “rules” of life can be altered so that one doesn’t have to earn their food or housing, yet the population is still free.[/quote]
Stalin managed it pretty well, dude, lay off already, WHAT?!?!
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules[/quote]
lol, okay. Please explain how the “rules” of life can be altered so that one doesn’t have to earn their food or housing, yet the population is still free.[/quote]
Stalin managed it pretty well, dude, lay off already, WHAT?!?![/quote]
Cortes knows all about freedom and human rights, brah.
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules[/quote]
lol, okay. Please explain how the “rules” of life can be altered so that one doesn’t have to earn their food or housing, yet the population is still free.[/quote]
Stalin managed it pretty well, dude, lay off already, WHAT?!?![/quote]
Cortes knows all about freedom and human rights, brah.[/quote]
Yeah, I’m married with kids. I forfeited all that stuff years ago.
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules[/quote]
lol, okay. Please explain how the “rules” of life can be altered so that one doesn’t have to earn their food or housing, yet the population is still free.[/quote]
How many people did it take to plow a field 1000 years ago, 100 years ago, today?
What amount of individual work hours were required to construct a quality, liveable house when our grandfathers were born? How many will it take when our grandchildren are born?
This is food and shelter; at least in very basic terms. The means of production and sustainability are much, much different than they ever have been before. Yes they still require some human input, elbow grease, whatever you want to call it, but the productivity of a society should no longer be judged on % of population employed if you understand my meaning. If we really wanted to, we would not have to spend our entire lives saddled by debt and the anxiety of money. I mean really, it’s not like the dollars you get paid in are actually worth anything. They are paper, and only that
I can’t help but think that chasing this brass ring all your life is not exactly the existence for which we were intended.
EDIT: Should have just said “Robots can do a lot of jobs which are just placeholders currently. There is no need for those put out of work to be poor and starve if the robots are busy manufacturing food and shelter.”
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules[/quote]
lol, okay. Please explain how the “rules” of life can be altered so that one doesn’t have to earn their food or housing, yet the population is still free.[/quote]
Stalin managed it pretty well, dude, lay off already, WHAT?!?![/quote]
Cortes knows all about freedom and human rights, brah.[/quote]
Yeah, I’m married with kids. I forfeited all that stuff years ago.
[/quote]
Truth, however if my kids grow up talking like fullback, I will slap the taste out of their mouths.
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules[/quote]
lol, okay. Please explain how the “rules” of life can be altered so that one doesn’t have to earn their food or housing, yet the population is still free.[/quote]
Stalin managed it pretty well, dude, lay off already, WHAT?!?![/quote]
Cortes knows all about freedom and human rights, brah.[/quote]
Yeah, I’m married with kids. I forfeited all that stuff years ago.
[/quote]
Truth, however if my kids grow up talking like fullback, I will slap the taste out of their mouths. [/quote]
Implying they earned food to taste
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
How many people did it take to plow a field 1000 years ago, 100 years ago, today?[/quote]
What is the major difference between 1000 years ago and now? It isn’t new domesticated animals, it is machines. Who makes the machines? I mean Jesus doesn’t bend over and fart out a machine does he? No, people make them. In Factories with machines. Who makes the factories? Not magical farts, so again, people do. Who makes the machines that put the machines together, yep people.
So, now we know where the machines come from, how about who mills the parts that go into those two sets of machines? Did a unicorn make them? The magic part ferry? Nope, people. Hey guess what you need to make parts, aside from more machines, steel. Who makes steel? Is this where the magic happens? Nope, still people. So guess who mines the ore that makes the steel? Yup people.
SO you want all these people to do all this, out of the kindness of their heart? What do they get for their labor?
You know what they didn’t use a lot of when my house was built in 1919? Nails. You know what they use a shit load of today? Nails. Do you know who made these nails? Yup, you guessed, people in factories…
Who cut down the trees for wood? Certainly the wind could help, but the wind didn’t mill it into useable uniform size.
You know what else people do here? Inspect the fucking house to make sure it won’t fall on you while you sleep in a bed you expect people to just make for you for free…
So, you are saying people will still have to earn their food and shelter, just like before, just by different means?
Got it.
You don’t have to do that now.
I work to live. There is a difference between that and living to work.
It takes up a lot of time sure, but I do other things as well, and enjoy my work.
But who will build the robots?
And where will all this magical food and shelter come from if we give it to those out of work?
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules[/quote]
lol, okay. Please explain how the “rules” of life can be altered so that one doesn’t have to earn their food or housing, yet the population is still free.[/quote]
Stalin managed it pretty well, dude, lay off already, WHAT?!?![/quote]
Cortes knows all about freedom and human rights, brah.[/quote]
Yeah, I’m married with kids. I forfeited all that stuff years ago.
[/quote]
Truth, however if my kids grow up talking like fullback, I will slap the taste out of their mouths. [/quote]
Implying they earned food to taste[/quote]
Spar4tee you are my new favoritest poster. Lol after lol.
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules[/quote]
lol, okay. Please explain how the “rules” of life can be altered so that one doesn’t have to earn their food or housing, yet the population is still free.[/quote]
How many people did it take to plow a field 1000 years ago, 100 years ago, today?
What amount of individual work hours were required to construct a quality, liveable house when our grandfathers were born? How many will it take when our grandchildren are born?
This is food and shelter; at least in very basic terms. The means of production and sustainability are much, much different than they ever have been before. Yes they still require some human input, elbow grease, whatever you want to call it, but the productivity of a society should no longer be judged on % of population employed if you understand my meaning. If we really wanted to, we would not have to spend our entire lives saddled by debt and the anxiety of money. I mean really, it’s not like the dollars you get paid in are actually worth anything. They are paper, and only that
I can’t help but think that chasing this brass ring all your life is not exactly the existence for which we were intended.
EDIT: Should have just said “Robots can do a lot of jobs which are just placeholders currently. There is no need for those put out of work to be poor and starve if the robots are busy manufacturing food and shelter.”[/quote]
What about the cost associated with the operating and maintenance of the robots? Of the raw materials required to produce that food and shelter? Maybe at some point in the future technology will have advanced to the point where that manufacturing process can be self-sustaining (though I’m not sure I believe that) but until then somebody along the line has to swallow the cost of your food and shelter, and if not you, then who?
Also, dollars have value because they take time and effort to attain and can be exchanged for services and material goods. A counterfeit dollar isn’t a real dollar but it’s still worth something to me because I can probably use that to buy a gatorade at a 7-11 or something. All the gear my online character in Diablo 3 is wearing only exists as binary code but it has value because it has taken me time and effort to acquire those things, and also I can sell it for money (though not much because I don’t play much and I suck and hence my barbarian’s gear sucks).
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think Fullback is doing himself a disservice by not stating his implied point more openly. I don’t think that what is being debated is known to everyone speaking. Jmo, but it seems he may not be debating the strategy of life, but instead the rules[/quote]
lol, okay. Please explain how the “rules” of life can be altered so that one doesn’t have to earn their food or housing, yet the population is still free.[/quote]
Stalin managed it pretty well, dude, lay off already, WHAT?!?![/quote]
Cortes knows all about freedom and human rights, brah.[/quote]
Yeah, I’m married with kids. I forfeited all that stuff years ago.
[/quote]
Truth, however if my kids grow up talking like fullback, I will slap the taste out of their mouths. [/quote]
Implying they earned food to taste[/quote]
Spar4tee you are my new favoritest poster. Lol after lol. [/quote]
Oh man. I can feel it.
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
How many people did it take to plow a field 1000 years ago, 100 years ago, today?[/quote]
What is the major difference between 1000 years ago and now? It isn’t new domesticated animals, it is machines. Who makes the machines? I mean Jesus doesn’t bend over and fart out a machine does he? No, people make them. In Factories with machines. Who makes the factories? Not magical farts, so again, people do. Who makes the machines that put the machines together, yep people.
So, now we know where the machines come from, how about who mills the parts that go into those two sets of machines? Did a unicorn make them? The magic part ferry? Nope, people. Hey guess what you need to make parts, aside from more machines, steel. Who makes steel? Is this where the magic happens? Nope, still people. So guess who mines the ore that makes the steel? Yup people.
SO you want all these people to do all this, out of the kindness of their heart? What do they get for their labor?
You know what they didn’t use a lot of when my house was built in 1919? Nails. You know what they use a shit load of today? Nails. Do you know who made these nails? Yup, you guessed, people in factories…
Who cut down the trees for wood? Certainly the wind could help, but the wind didn’t mill it into useable uniform size.
You know what else people do here? Inspect the fucking house to make sure it won’t fall on you while you sleep in a bed you expect people to just make for you for free…
So, you are saying people will still have to earn their food and shelter, just like before, just by different means?
Got it.
You don’t have to do that now.
I work to live. There is a difference between that and living to work.
It takes up a lot of time sure, but I do other things as well, and enjoy my work.
But who will build the robots?
And where will all this magical food and shelter come from if we give it to those out of work?[/quote]
Do you really think that’s what was meant by my post? I just hadn’t considered that some man hours have to go into manufacturing or humans still have to be involved or some “human input, elbow grease, whatever you want to call it” is still required.
The part that apparently went over your head is that the amount of manufacturing that one man can do with a relatively small amount of capital (time) spent making or purchasing complex, capable and free workers, is so much greater than in the past that there’s no need for a human to do a job that a robot could do, just because they “have to.”
Im not going to continue to argue anyway. Maybe this wasnt even what Fullback meant. Proceed
