[quote]BULLD0G700 wrote:
Sorry Dmax honest lifter makes much more sense, he uses the Bible as his primary source much more effectively than zeb[/quote]
I guess you have not kept up, and I don’t blame you there’s a lot of big words on this thread and the many others where I’ve proved JW wrong time and again. Now run along, maybe go to some squats and read a book this is no place for you.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
BULLD0G700 wrote:
By the way why do you need 2 usernames?[/quote]
Because he’s about 19 years old and very, very bored.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]BULLD0G700 wrote:
Sorry Dmax honest lifter makes much more sense, he uses the Bible as his primary source much more effectively than zeb[/quote]
I guess you have not kept up, and I don’t blame you there’s a lot of big words on this thread and the many others where I’ve proved JW wrong time and again. Now run along, maybe go to some squats and read a book this is no place for you.[/quote]
What have you proved me wrong in?
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]BULLD0G700 wrote:
Sorry Dmax honest lifter makes much more sense, he uses the Bible as his primary source much more effectively than zeb[/quote]
I guess you have not kept up, and I don’t blame you there’s a lot of big words on this thread and the many others where I’ve proved JW wrong time and again. Now run along, maybe go to some squats and read a book this is no place for you.[/quote]
What have you proved me wrong in? [/quote]
Just because you do not beleive you are wrong does not make you right. I think a bunch we have discussed from Hell, to the Divinity of Jesus, to Jesus being ressurected in the flesh have all proved you are wrong, but you do not believe you are so I guess we will all have to wait till the end of times to see who is right.
One thing we have not talked about is how you are saved. If you beleive there is no Hell how does Jesus’ sacrifice fit into all this? What do we have to be saved from, and how do we get to heaven to be with God?
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]BULLD0G700 wrote:
Sorry Dmax honest lifter makes much more sense, he uses the Bible as his primary source much more effectively than zeb[/quote]
I guess you have not kept up, and I don’t blame you there’s a lot of big words on this thread and the many others where I’ve proved JW wrong time and again. Now run along, maybe go to some squats and read a book this is no place for you.[/quote]
What have you proved me wrong in? [/quote]
Just because you do not beleive you are wrong does not make you right. I think a bunch we have discussed from Hell, to the Divinity of Jesus, to Jesus being ressurected in the flesh have all proved you are wrong, but you do not believe you are so I guess we will all have to wait till the end of times to see who is right.
One thing we have not talked about is how you are saved. If you beleive there is no Hell how does Jesus’ sacrifice fit into all this? What do we have to be saved from, and how do we get to heaven to be with God?[/quote]
Just because you believe you are right, doesn’t mean you aren’t wrong. Everytime I tried to get into the discussion of hell, you said I was twisting words and changed the conversation.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]BULLD0G700 wrote:
Sorry Dmax honest lifter makes much more sense, he uses the Bible as his primary source much more effectively than zeb[/quote]
I guess you have not kept up, and I don’t blame you there’s a lot of big words on this thread and the many others where I’ve proved JW wrong time and again. Now run along, maybe go to some squats and read a book this is no place for you.[/quote]
What have you proved me wrong in? [/quote]
Just because you do not beleive you are wrong does not make you right. I think a bunch we have discussed from Hell, to the Divinity of Jesus, to Jesus being ressurected in the flesh have all proved you are wrong, but you do not believe you are so I guess we will all have to wait till the end of times to see who is right.
One thing we have not talked about is how you are saved. If you beleive there is no Hell how does Jesus’ sacrifice fit into all this? What do we have to be saved from, and how do we get to heaven to be with God?[/quote]
Just because you believe you are right, doesn’t mean you aren’t wrong. Everytime I tried to get into the discussion of hell, you said I was twisting words and changed the conversation. [/quote]
You are the first JW I have encountered ever. This is some new thinking that is just out there to the things I beleive to be true. I also have to say they have been proved in the distant past to be heresy, but we will not go there. We are just going to have to wait to see who is correct. Lets move on to the second part of my post then.
How do you get saved, and what is the point of Jesus’ death and ressurrection? If there is no hell then what is the point of believing in Jesus. If there is no Hell then all will go to heaven in the afterlife, or we are just dust. What are the JW thoughts on this?
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]BULLD0G700 wrote:
Sorry Dmax honest lifter makes much more sense, he uses the Bible as his primary source much more effectively than zeb[/quote]
I guess you have not kept up, and I don’t blame you there’s a lot of big words on this thread and the many others where I’ve proved JW wrong time and again. Now run along, maybe go to some squats and read a book this is no place for you.[/quote]
What have you proved me wrong in? [/quote]
Just because you do not beleive you are wrong does not make you right. I think a bunch we have discussed from Hell, to the Divinity of Jesus, to Jesus being ressurected in the flesh have all proved you are wrong, but you do not believe you are so I guess we will all have to wait till the end of times to see who is right.
One thing we have not talked about is how you are saved. If you beleive there is no Hell how does Jesus’ sacrifice fit into all this? What do we have to be saved from, and how do we get to heaven to be with God?[/quote]
Just because you believe you are right, doesn’t mean you aren’t wrong. Everytime I tried to get into the discussion of hell, you said I was twisting words and changed the conversation. [/quote]
You are the first JW I have encountered ever. This is some new thinking that is just out there to the things I beleive to be true. I also have to say they have been proved in the distant past to be heresy, but we will not go there. We are just going to have to wait to see who is correct. Lets move on to the second part of my post then.
How do you get saved, and what is the point of Jesus’ death and ressurrection? If there is no hell then what is the point of believing in Jesus. If there is no Hell then all will go to heaven in the afterlife, or we are just dust. What are the JW thoughts on this?[/quote]
First off, there is a hell. But as i have discussed earlier, it is just the ground, or the common grave of mankind. The bible speaks of two roads, one that goes off into life and one that goes off into destruction. We believe the Bible says that the punishment for the wicked is permanent destruction, just like the punishment was for Adam and Eve. Whereas the reward for doing the works required of us is either everlasting life on earth, or in heaven.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]BULLD0G700 wrote:
Sorry Dmax honest lifter makes much more sense, he uses the Bible as his primary source much more effectively than zeb[/quote]
I guess you have not kept up, and I don’t blame you there’s a lot of big words on this thread and the many others where I’ve proved JW wrong time and again. Now run along, maybe go to some squats and read a book this is no place for you.[/quote]
What have you proved me wrong in? [/quote]
I’ve proved you and other JW wrong on every single point. The fact that you won’t admit it doesn’t change a single thing.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]BULLD0G700 wrote:
Sorry Dmax honest lifter makes much more sense, he uses the Bible as his primary source much more effectively than zeb[/quote]
I guess you have not kept up, and I don’t blame you there’s a lot of big words on this thread and the many others where I’ve proved JW wrong time and again. Now run along, maybe go to some squats and read a book this is no place for you.[/quote]
What have you proved me wrong in? [/quote]
Just because you do not beleive you are wrong does not make you right. I think a bunch we have discussed from Hell, to the Divinity of Jesus, to Jesus being ressurected in the flesh have all proved you are wrong, but you do not believe you are so I guess we will all have to wait till the end of times to see who is right.
One thing we have not talked about is how you are saved. If you beleive there is no Hell how does Jesus’ sacrifice fit into all this? What do we have to be saved from, and how do we get to heaven to be with God?[/quote]
Just because you believe you are right, doesn’t mean you aren’t wrong. Everytime I tried to get into the discussion of hell, you said I was twisting words and changed the conversation. [/quote]
You are the first JW I have encountered ever. This is some new thinking that is just out there to the things I beleive to be true. I also have to say they have been proved in the distant past to be heresy, but we will not go there. We are just going to have to wait to see who is correct. Lets move on to the second part of my post then.
How do you get saved, and what is the point of Jesus’ death and ressurrection? If there is no hell then what is the point of believing in Jesus. If there is no Hell then all will go to heaven in the afterlife, or we are just dust. What are the JW thoughts on this?[/quote]
First off, there is a hell. But as i have discussed earlier, it is just the ground, or the common grave of mankind. The bible speaks of two roads, one that goes off into life and one that goes off into destruction. We believe the Bible says that the punishment for the wicked is permanent destruction, just like the punishment was for Adam and Eve. Whereas the reward for doing the works required of us is either everlasting life on earth, or in heaven. [/quote]
You’ve just disregarded a multitude of scripture (which I’ve posted several times) that speak to the contrary. Now go get your shirt and tie on you have doors to knock on and depressed lonely people to deceive.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You are the first JW I have encountered ever. [/quote]
You should have been here a few years ago the place was crawling with them. But they all left as soon as they saw truth and resistance. Of course some are smarter than others.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]BULLD0G700 wrote:
Sorry Dmax honest lifter makes much more sense, he uses the Bible as his primary source much more effectively than zeb[/quote]
I guess you have not kept up, and I don’t blame you there’s a lot of big words on this thread and the many others where I’ve proved JW wrong time and again. Now run along, maybe go to some squats and read a book this is no place for you.[/quote]
What have you proved me wrong in? [/quote]
Just because you do not beleive you are wrong does not make you right. I think a bunch we have discussed from Hell, to the Divinity of Jesus, to Jesus being ressurected in the flesh have all proved you are wrong, but you do not believe you are so I guess we will all have to wait till the end of times to see who is right.
One thing we have not talked about is how you are saved. If you beleive there is no Hell how does Jesus’ sacrifice fit into all this? What do we have to be saved from, and how do we get to heaven to be with God?[/quote]
Just because you believe you are right, doesn’t mean you aren’t wrong. Everytime I tried to get into the discussion of hell, you said I was twisting words and changed the conversation. [/quote]
You are the first JW I have encountered ever. This is some new thinking that is just out there to the things I beleive to be true. I also have to say they have been proved in the distant past to be heresy, but we will not go there. We are just going to have to wait to see who is correct. Lets move on to the second part of my post then.
How do you get saved, and what is the point of Jesus’ death and ressurrection? If there is no hell then what is the point of believing in Jesus. If there is no Hell then all will go to heaven in the afterlife, or we are just dust. What are the JW thoughts on this?[/quote]
First off, there is a hell. But as i have discussed earlier, it is just the ground, or the common grave of mankind. The bible speaks of two roads, one that goes off into life and one that goes off into destruction. We believe the Bible says that the punishment for the wicked is permanent destruction, just like the punishment was for Adam and Eve. Whereas the reward for doing the works required of us is either everlasting life on earth, or in heaven. [/quote]
Ok, so what distinguishes a person from being wicked?
So you are saying that “works required of us” is what gives us everlasting life? The everlasting life is here on earth, and not in heaven with God or you say Jehovah?
Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH. That is God’s name. God is a title. It denotes power. Satan is even described as a god. - 2 Cor 4:1-6; 1 John 5:19
Yes, we feel the Bible speaks of works being required of us to get this undeserved gift of everlasting life. The Bible speaks of some going to heaven, but most staying on earth.
What distinguishes a person as wicked?
What do you feel would distinguish a person as wicked, if I my ask?
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH. That is God’s name. God is a title. It denotes power. Satan is even described as a god. - 2 Cor 4:1-6; 1 John 5:19
Yes, we feel the Bible speaks of works being required of us to get this undeserved gift of everlasting life. The Bible speaks of some going to heaven, but most staying on earth.[/quote]
So what is the point of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross for if works are what get us to heaven?
If any of my questions are gray I am more than happy to elaborate, but my questions are based on your answers. There is no motive behind these. I really want to know what you guys think.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
What distinguishes a person as wicked?
What do you feel would distinguish a person as wicked, if I my ask?[/quote]
As we all know Romans 3:23 says all have sinned. Sin is what makes us wicked. What are your thoughts on how a person is wicked?
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH. That is God’s name. God is a title. It denotes power. Satan is even described as a god. - 2 Cor 4:1-6; 1 John 5:19
Yes, we feel the Bible speaks of works being required of us to get this undeserved gift of everlasting life. The Bible speaks of some going to heaven, but most staying on earth.[/quote]
So what is the point of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross for if works are what get us to heaven?
If any of my questions are gray I am more than happy to elaborate, but my questions are based on your answers. There is no motive behind these. I really want to know what you guys think.[/quote]
now, i know it bothers you when i do this, but i need to set baseline. In the Hebrew scriptures, what was the purpose of the sacrifices?
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH. That is God’s name. God is a title. It denotes power. Satan is even described as a god. - 2 Cor 4:1-6; 1 John 5:19
Yes, we feel the Bible speaks of works being required of us to get this undeserved gift of everlasting life. The Bible speaks of some going to heaven, but most staying on earth.[/quote]
So what is the point of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross for if works are what get us to heaven?
If any of my questions are gray I am more than happy to elaborate, but my questions are based on your answers. There is no motive behind these. I really want to know what you guys think.[/quote]
now, i know it bothers you when i do this, but i need to set baseline. In the Hebrew scriptures, what was the purpose of the sacrifices?[/quote]
To tempararily cover or wash away sin. That is why they had to do it all the time. God hates sin, so the blood sacrifices used were to cover the sin so humans could be righteous in Gods eyes and commune with him. Needless to say the next time you sinned, which as humans we do very frequently, you would be separated from God, and the previous sacrifice was not good enough.
Other Catholics and Protestants are more eloquent than I so if I am really butchering this all up please correct me.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH. That is God’s name. God is a title. It denotes power. Satan is even described as a god. - 2 Cor 4:1-6; 1 John 5:19
Yes, we feel the Bible speaks of works being required of us to get this undeserved gift of everlasting life. The Bible speaks of some going to heaven, but most staying on earth.[/quote]
So what is the point of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross for if works are what get us to heaven?
If any of my questions are gray I am more than happy to elaborate, but my questions are based on your answers. There is no motive behind these. I really want to know what you guys think.[/quote]
now, i know it bothers you when i do this, but i need to set baseline. In the Hebrew scriptures, what was the purpose of the sacrifices?[/quote]
To tempararily cover or wash away sin. That is why they had to do it all the time. God hates sin, so the blood sacrifices used were to cover the sin so humans could be righteous in Gods eyes and commune with him. Needless to say the next time you sinned, which as humans we do very frequently, you would be separated from God, and the previous sacrifice was not good enough.
Other Catholics and Protestants are more eloquent than I so if I am really butchering this all up please correct me.[/quote]
Now, just a quick follow up question. could you do ANYTHING bad and then give a sacrifice and expect forgiveness? (still referring to the Hebrew Scriptures)