[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
All we have found out so far is that hell can contain both righteous (Jesus) and the rich man appears to be unrighteous so it can include those as well.[/quote]
Wrong again.
Christ died for our sins, you do understand that don’t you? He took the punishment upon himself for all who would believe.
Do you understand that he is the son of God and was there from the beginning before creation? Do you understand Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as the trinity?
By the way don’t you think that my post above is interesting reading?
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If you do not wish to discuss it, we don’t have to. We can get to other subjects later, including the trinity, but the current issue you had was with hell. [/quote]
You’re confused again, I have no “issue” with hell. I fully understand what it is and basically what happens to those who are sent there, that is they suffer eternal torment.
Now about this interesting article:
http://bibleprobe.com/...ovahwitness.htm
"The Jehovah Witness Movement was begun by Charles Taze Russell. Born in 1852, Russell founded the Zion’s Watch Tower in 1879 and later incorporated the group under the name “Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society” in 1884.
Russell born on February 16, 1852. He was raised a Presbyterian, but later joined the Congregational Church because of its “more liberal views.” His mother died when he was 9, the year the Civil War began.
As a youth Russell seems to have been obsessed with hellfire and torment; he also apparently saw himself as the instrument of men’s salvation. An early associate of Russell’s tells us that 14-year-old Charles Taze would go out Saturday nights “to where men gathered. . .to loaf, and would write Bible texts on the sidewalk with colored chalk . . . .He hoped to attract their attention, so that they might accept Christ and avoid being lost and going to eternal torment.” [Faith, p. 17] . When Russell was 17, he suffered a revulsion against the concept eternal punishment and against the doctrine of predestination.
Russell began his teachings shortly after wandering into a religious meeting where Jonas Wendell was teaching “Second Adventism” in 1870. Charles Russell subsequently began his own movement with his father and a small group of others after forming a small Bible study in Allegheny, Pennsylvania. From 1870 through 1875 the Russell family, and others, participated in an analytical study of both the Bible and the origins of Christian doctrine, creed, and tradition. “Millerite” Adventist ministers George Storrs, and George Stetson, were also closely involved. Russell’s group believed they had found significant errors in common Christian belief. As a result of such study, the Russell family believed they had gained a clearer understanding of true Christianity, and were re-baptized in 1874. His personal “message” began with his rejection of the Christian doctrine of Hell, and he later added many physical and spiritually dangerous doctrines of his own making. Ultimately, Russell rejected nearly every other Christian doctrine, and published his bizarre teachings in a 6-volume series under the name “Studies in the Scriptures”.
Several Protestant denominations have either formed around, or adopted some style of, Pastor Russell’s views, among them the Worldwide Church of God, the Concordant Publishing Concern, the Assemblies of Yahweh. Among the numerous Bible Student off-shoot groups include the Pastoral Bible Institute, the Layman’s Home Missionary Movement and others.
Charles Taze Russell was a proven liar, who claimed in a New York Court in 1913, that he was an ordained pastor, and that he was well versed in both Greek and Latin. But when pressed on the stand in Court, he could not read anything from the Greek alphabet. He also could show no proof of any ordination from any mainline church. In his own defense, Russell said he believed that his ordination was “of God” according to the biblical pattern, not requiring any denominational approval, and that his annual election as “Pastor” by over 1,200 congregations worldwide constituted him as “ordained”, or chosen, to be a minister of the gospel. Russell died on October 31, 1916 while traveling on a train near Pampa, Texas. His successor, Joseph F. Rutherford began revising Russell’s doctrine.
In 1920, Rutherford began speaking to large crowds falsely telling them that millions of people then living would never die. Between 1921 and 1941, Rutherford wrote twenty books and numerous pamphlets, beginning with his first publication, known as “Harp of God”.