god=Santa Claus=Easter Bunny= Tooth Fairy= Superman
Many similarities there.
Try self-empowerment and science instead.
[quote]garcia1970 wrote:
god=Santa Claus=Easter Bunny= Tooth Fairy= Superman
Many similarities there.
Try self-empowerment and science instead.[/quote]
Great contribution to the thread. We could probably close it since you used your philosophy to answer the question.
[quote]garcia1970 wrote:
god=Santa Claus=Easter Bunny= Tooth Fairy= Superman
Many similarities there.
Try self-empowerment and science instead.[/quote]
Self empowerment is a bullshit term and where did science come from and what it’s purpose?
Ok. Let’s try a different way.
The Bible was written by man for his own purposes.
Most Christians seem to think that the bible (as it is now, with its sixty-six or so books, divided into chapters and verses) has existed for thousands of years. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the bible that most Christians are familiar with is a fairly recent contrivance. The religious term “canon” refers to the divinity of a specific set of writings. Just which books are canonical and which are not has been the subject of debate among Judeo-Christian leaders for the last two thousand years. The Protestant Church did not agree on which books should be contained in the bible until as late as 1647, at the Assembly of Westminster.
What we have come to know as the bible was not in a solid form until the Gutenberg printing press was invented in the 15th century. Before that, the bible was copied by hand, onto scrolls and parchments, which could be easily altered to fit the needs of those in power. It was malleable, easily altered-- no one could hinder the early Church from adding or subtracting verses at their will. No one will ever know just how much of the biblical text was alterned, deleted, and rewritten while it was in handwritten form.
Take the bible, as well as all as all religious texts, with a grain of salt. Religion is a con.
Is that better?
BTW: never thought I would hear a guy with a steal your face in his avatar knock self empowerment.
“Cause its all too clear we’re on our own.” J. Barlow
[quote]garcia1970 wrote:
god=Santa Claus=Easter Bunny= Tooth Fairy= Superman
Many similarities there.
Try self-empowerment and science instead.[/quote]
This is shocking! A socialist who is also an atheist? Oh my…0 for 2. Who’d a thunk it?
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
This is a question to all Christians out there (but Muslims or Jewish people are free to respond as well):
How do you know the God you support (the God from the Bible) is this good guy and not the evil guy? See, there is a fundamental issue here: the only source that supports claims that your God is the good one is the Bible. The Bible was written centuries ago by relatively unknown sources.
So how do you know you’re not being duped? What if the devil is actually the good one?
How does one resolve this issue?[/quote]
Ill answer your question philosophically, God being the greatest being conceivable will have the property of being necessary, non-contingent and his nature being the epitome of moral perfection and goodness. Contingent beings like satan do not have God’s nature of moral perfection and goodness so the only good guy is God.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
This is a question to all Christians out there (but Muslims or Jewish people are free to respond as well):
How do you know the God you support (the God from the Bible) is this good guy and not the evil guy? See, there is a fundamental issue here: the only source that supports claims that your God is the good one is the Bible. The Bible was written centuries ago by relatively unknown sources.
So how do you know you’re not being duped? What if the devil is actually the good one?
How does one resolve this issue?[/quote]
Ill answer your question philosophically, God being the greatest being conceivable will have the property of being necessary, non-contingent and his nature being the epitome of moral perfection and goodness. Contingent beings like satan do not have God’s nature of moral perfection and goodness so the only good guy is God.[/quote]
I’ve asked the same question, and am not sure your post addresses it.
Millions of people have faith in religions that logically cannot all be correct. They worship different gods, yet are utterly convinced their god has told them they are correct.
This proves people have the capacity to devoutly believe in false gods.
So how do you know your particular god is the real one?
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
This is a question to all Christians out there (but Muslims or Jewish people are free to respond as well):
How do you know the God you support (the God from the Bible) is this good guy and not the evil guy? See, there is a fundamental issue here: the only source that supports claims that your God is the good one is the Bible. The Bible was written centuries ago by relatively unknown sources.
So how do you know you’re not being duped? What if the devil is actually the good one?
How does one resolve this issue?[/quote]
Ill answer your question philosophically, God being the greatest being conceivable will have the property of being necessary, non-contingent and his nature being the epitome of moral perfection and goodness. Contingent beings like satan do not have God’s nature of moral perfection and goodness so the only good guy is God.[/quote]
I’ve asked the same question, and am not sure your post addresses it.
Millions of people have faith in religions that logically cannot all be correct. They worship different gods, yet are utterly convinced their god has told them they are correct.
This proves people have the capacity to devoutly believe in false gods.
So how do you know your particular god is the real one?[/quote]
My post does address it in some way that it eliminates everything but monotheism, why the Christian God? Had God decided not to create anything he would still be love and this is shown perfectly in his eternal nature of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
All gods are the same one.
All religions teach the same principles in different ways, even the pagan ones.
In fact the Catholic Religion incorporated many of this gods and made them saints.
Its the human beings that fuck up religions.
There is no God and Devil,
No good or bad.
They are just degrees of the same thing.
There only i cause and effect.
And most important.
GOd is not a person.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
This is a question to all Christians out there (but Muslims or Jewish people are free to respond as well):
How do you know the God you support (the God from the Bible) is this good guy and not the evil guy? See, there is a fundamental issue here: the only source that supports claims that your God is the good one is the Bible. The Bible was written centuries ago by relatively unknown sources.
So how do you know you’re not being duped? What if the devil is actually the good one?
How does one resolve this issue?[/quote]
Ill answer your question philosophically, God being the greatest being conceivable will have the property of being necessary, non-contingent and his nature being the epitome of moral perfection and goodness. Contingent beings like satan do not have God’s nature of moral perfection and goodness so the only good guy is God.[/quote]
I’ve asked the same question, and am not sure your post addresses it.
Millions of people have faith in religions that logically cannot all be correct. They worship different gods, yet are utterly convinced their god has told them they are correct.
This proves people have the capacity to devoutly believe in false gods.
So how do you know your particular god is the real one?[/quote]
My post does address it in some way that it eliminates everything but monotheism, why the Christian God? Had God decided not to create anything he would still be love and this is shown perfectly in his eternal nature of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.[/quote]
Do you think Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Calvanists, and Baptists all worship the same god and share the same core beliefs about that god?
[quote]JESGPY wrote:
All gods are the same one.
All religions teach the same principles in different ways, even the pagan ones.
In fact the Catholic Religion incorporated many of this gods and made them saints.
Its the human beings that fuck up religions.
There is no God and Devil,
No good or bad.
They are just degrees of the same thing.
There only i cause and effect.
And most important.
GOd is not a person.
[/quote]
Many believers fundamentally disagree with you. Who is right, and how do you know?
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
This is a question to all Christians out there (but Muslims or Jewish people are free to respond as well):
How do you know the God you support (the God from the Bible) is this good guy and not the evil guy? See, there is a fundamental issue here: the only source that supports claims that your God is the good one is the Bible. The Bible was written centuries ago by relatively unknown sources.
So how do you know you’re not being duped? What if the devil is actually the good one?
How does one resolve this issue?[/quote]
Ill answer your question philosophically, God being the greatest being conceivable will have the property of being necessary, non-contingent and his nature being the epitome of moral perfection and goodness. Contingent beings like satan do not have God’s nature of moral perfection and goodness so the only good guy is God.[/quote]
Word.
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
This is a question to all Christians out there (but Muslims or Jewish people are free to respond as well):
How do you know the God you support (the God from the Bible) is this good guy and not the evil guy? See, there is a fundamental issue here: the only source that supports claims that your God is the good one is the Bible. The Bible was written centuries ago by relatively unknown sources.
So how do you know you’re not being duped? What if the devil is actually the good one?
How does one resolve this issue?[/quote]
Ill answer your question philosophically, God being the greatest being conceivable will have the property of being necessary, non-contingent and his nature being the epitome of moral perfection and goodness. Contingent beings like satan do not have God’s nature of moral perfection and goodness so the only good guy is God.[/quote]
I’ve asked the same question, and am not sure your post addresses it.
Millions of people have faith in religions that logically cannot all be correct. They worship different gods, yet are utterly convinced their god has told them they are correct.
This proves people have the capacity to devoutly believe in false gods.
So how do you know your particular god is the real one?[/quote]
My post does address it in some way that it eliminates everything but monotheism, why the Christian God? Had God decided not to create anything he would still be love and this is shown perfectly in his eternal nature of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.[/quote]
Do you think Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Calvanists, and Baptists all worship the same god and share the same core beliefs about that god?[/quote]
Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons have fundamentally different view of God’s nature than the other three, so no.
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JESGPY wrote:
All gods are the same one.
All religions teach the same principles in different ways, even the pagan ones.
In fact the Catholic Religion incorporated many of this gods and made them saints.
Its the human beings that fuck up religions.
There is no God and Devil,
No good or bad.
They are just degrees of the same thing.
There only i cause and effect.
And most important.
GOd is not a person.
[/quote]
Many believers fundamentally disagree with you. Who is right, and how do you know?
[/quote]
They are all fundamentally right.
They are just so fanatized, and many times taught that they only hold the truth, so they only believe they are right.
And to that that the human made conflict between religions and you great more fanatism and more belive in “i am right - you are wrong”
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
This is a question to all Christians out there (but Muslims or Jewish people are free to respond as well):
How do you know the God you support (the God from the Bible) is this good guy and not the evil guy? See, there is a fundamental issue here: the only source that supports claims that your God is the good one is the Bible. The Bible was written centuries ago by relatively unknown sources.
So how do you know you’re not being duped? What if the devil is actually the good one?
How does one resolve this issue?[/quote]
Ill answer your question philosophically, God being the greatest being conceivable will have the property of being necessary, non-contingent and his nature being the epitome of moral perfection and goodness. Contingent beings like satan do not have God’s nature of moral perfection and goodness so the only good guy is God.[/quote]
I’ve asked the same question, and am not sure your post addresses it.
Millions of people have faith in religions that logically cannot all be correct. They worship different gods, yet are utterly convinced their god has told them they are correct.
This proves people have the capacity to devoutly believe in false gods.
So how do you know your particular god is the real one?[/quote]
My post does address it in some way that it eliminates everything but monotheism, why the Christian God? Had God decided not to create anything he would still be love and this is shown perfectly in his eternal nature of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.[/quote]
Do you think Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Calvanists, and Baptists all worship the same god and share the same core beliefs about that god?[/quote]
Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons have fundamentally different view of God’s nature than the other three, so no.[/quote]
So who is right, and how do you know? Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses are just as convinced as you are that god has revealed himself to them.
[quote]JESGPY wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JESGPY wrote:
All gods are the same one.
All religions teach the same principles in different ways, even the pagan ones.
In fact the Catholic Religion incorporated many of this gods and made them saints.
Its the human beings that fuck up religions.
There is no God and Devil,
No good or bad.
They are just degrees of the same thing.
There only i cause and effect.
And most important.
GOd is not a person.
[/quote]
Many believers fundamentally disagree with you. Who is right, and how do you know?
[/quote]
They are all fundamentally right.
They are just so fanatized, and many times taught that they only hold the truth, so they only believe they are right.
And to that that the human made conflict between religions and you great more fanatism and more belive in “i am right - you are wrong”[/quote]
So when Mormons pray sincerely to god, and are told that he appeared to Joseph Smith on a beautiful spring morning in 1820, this actually happened?
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
This is a question to all Christians out there (but Muslims or Jewish people are free to respond as well):
How do you know the God you support (the God from the Bible) is this good guy and not the evil guy? See, there is a fundamental issue here: the only source that supports claims that your God is the good one is the Bible. The Bible was written centuries ago by relatively unknown sources.
So how do you know you’re not being duped? What if the devil is actually the good one?
How does one resolve this issue?[/quote]
Ill answer your question philosophically, God being the greatest being conceivable will have the property of being necessary, non-contingent and his nature being the epitome of moral perfection and goodness. Contingent beings like satan do not have God’s nature of moral perfection and goodness so the only good guy is God.[/quote]
I’ve asked the same question, and am not sure your post addresses it.
Millions of people have faith in religions that logically cannot all be correct. They worship different gods, yet are utterly convinced their god has told them they are correct.
This proves people have the capacity to devoutly believe in false gods.
So how do you know your particular god is the real one?[/quote]
My post does address it in some way that it eliminates everything but monotheism, why the Christian God? Had God decided not to create anything he would still be love and this is shown perfectly in his eternal nature of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.[/quote]
Do you think Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Calvanists, and Baptists all worship the same god and share the same core beliefs about that god?[/quote]
Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons have fundamentally different view of God’s nature than the other three, so no.[/quote]
So who is right, and how do you know? Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses are just as convinced as you are that god has revealed himself to them. [/quote]
When you have monotheism and God having all perfections that are essential to his nature such as love and the Logos which the word logic comes from it follows that the Mormon and Jehovah’s Witnesses view of God is fundamentally wrong.
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JESGPY wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JESGPY wrote:
All gods are the same one.
All religions teach the same principles in different ways, even the pagan ones.
In fact the Catholic Religion incorporated many of this gods and made them saints.
Its the human beings that fuck up religions.
There is no God and Devil,
No good or bad.
They are just degrees of the same thing.
There only i cause and effect.
And most important.
GOd is not a person.
[/quote]
Many believers fundamentally disagree with you. Who is right, and how do you know?
[/quote]
They are all fundamentally right.
They are just so fanatized, and many times taught that they only hold the truth, so they only believe they are right.
And to that that the human made conflict between religions and you great more fanatism and more belive in “i am right - you are wrong”[/quote]
So when Mormons pray sincerely to god, and are told that he appeared to Joseph Smith on a beautiful spring morning in 1820, this actually happened?
[/quote]
I said they all are “FUNDAMENTALLY RIGHT”
that means that all share same principles.
Mormons pray to god. Not to a story. Maybe dont realize that.
The story is made to have a common base between them.
The background of religions are made to sustain them
The stories they add to that may or may not be true.
But the god they worship is the same.
Read The Kybalion and yoo’ll get it. But you need a open mind
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
One thought I always had was , wondering if the fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil was in fact the Bible[/quote]
I’m more inclined to think that the knowledge of good and evil is simply the capacity for thought. Because we have the capacity for thought, we will torture themselves with our own brains. We are unable to “dwell in paradise” because our brains drip with anxiety over a projected future or weep in depression over the past. The knowledge of good and evil, of judging right and wrong, and the constant stream of consciousness running inside of our own heads, is our gift and curse.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
This is a question to all Christians out there (but Muslims or Jewish people are free to respond as well):
How do you know the God you support (the God from the Bible) is this good guy and not the evil guy? See, there is a fundamental issue here: the only source that supports claims that your God is the good one is the Bible. The Bible was written centuries ago by relatively unknown sources.
So how do you know you’re not being duped? What if the devil is actually the good one?
How does one resolve this issue?[/quote]
Ill answer your question philosophically, God being the greatest being conceivable will have the property of being necessary, non-contingent and his nature being the epitome of moral perfection and goodness. Contingent beings like satan do not have God’s nature of moral perfection and goodness so the only good guy is God.[/quote]
I’ve asked the same question, and am not sure your post addresses it.
Millions of people have faith in religions that logically cannot all be correct. They worship different gods, yet are utterly convinced their god has told them they are correct.
This proves people have the capacity to devoutly believe in false gods.
So how do you know your particular god is the real one?[/quote]
My post does address it in some way that it eliminates everything but monotheism, why the Christian God? Had God decided not to create anything he would still be love and this is shown perfectly in his eternal nature of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.[/quote]
Do you think Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Calvanists, and Baptists all worship the same god and share the same core beliefs about that god?[/quote]
Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons have fundamentally different view of God’s nature than the other three, so no.[/quote]
So who is right, and how do you know? Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses are just as convinced as you are that god has revealed himself to them. [/quote]
When you have monotheism and God having all perfections that are essential to his nature such as love and the Logos which the word logic comes from it follows that the Mormon and Jehovah’s Witnesses view of God is fundamentally wrong.[/quote]
It follows according to whom? Where is the objective proof, rather than the subjective claim that your interpretation is the right one?