The Christian God: How do you know he's the good guy?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Mormonism is completely unique it’s conglomeration of… whatever that adds up to be. It is anything else imaginable than at all even vaguely related to the gospel of Jesus Christ. [/quote]

Did you read the scriptures I posted from the Book of Mormon?

“For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” (2 Nephi 25:23)

“And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.” (2 Nephi 25:26)

“And he cometh into the world that he may save all men if they will hearken unto his voice; for behold, he suffereth the pains of all men, yea, the pains of every living creature, both men, women, and children, who belong to the family of Adam.” (2 Nephi 9:21)

“And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent.” (Mosiah 3:17)

“Therefore, I would that ye should be steadfast and immovable, always abounding in good works, that Christ, the Lord God Omnipotent, may seal you his, that you may be brought to heaven, that ye may have everlasting salvation and eternal life, through the wisdom, and power, and justice, and mercy of him who created all things, in heaven and in earth, who is God above all. Amen.” (Mosiah 5:15)

“Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot.” (Moroni 10:32-33)

So none of that is even “vaguely related” to the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Really?

What about this testimony given by the current president of the LDS Church:

“With all my heart and the fervency of my soul, I lift up my voice in testimony as a special witness and declare that God does live. Jesus is His Son, the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. He is our Redeemer; He is our Mediator with the Father. He it was who died on the cross to atone for our sins. He became the firstfruits of the Resurrection. Because He died, all shall live again. 'Oh, sweet the joy this sentence gives: “I know that my Redeemer lives!” ’ May the whole world know it and live by that knowledge, I humbly pray, in the name of Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior, amen.” - Thomas S. Monson

But I suppose that’s not even vaguely related to the Gospel of Christ either, right?

I just can’t take anything you say seriously. You continue to call Mormons satanic when it is evident for anyone who looks at what we teach to see that we testify of the divinity of Jesus Christ and the healing power of the Atonement.

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[quote]orion wrote:<<< Did you ever reflect on the fact that you whorship a god that will demand a detailed account of peoples theological beliefs and you better pick the ONE TRUE RELIGION or else YOU WILL DIE THE ETERNAL DEATH !!![/quote]No sir. The God I worship has had ALL of His just and holy demands met in full by the incarnation, sinless life, voluntary sacrificial death and resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. This God was born a divine man, one in substance and being with His Father or the sacrifice would have been useless to that Father. One in substance and being with us or it would have been useless to us. He fully reconciled God and man and that reconciliation is sealed by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit as the first fruits of a promise yet to be fully realized at our own resurrection. And there’s much more, but BUT…

He will not ask any of that at the judgment. His elect are those who have already believed these things in time. No need to ask. He chose them from the foundation of the world by His own crystal clear declaration. The damned are those who have not so believed and are left to their state of death in father Adam. The simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ that Paul warned us not to be led astray from by the serpent of old. I know precious powerful believers who could not tell me the theological name or precise exposition of ANY doctrine whatsoever, but they KNOW. What you call the “one true religion” I call from the sum of scripture on the subject, “the invisible church” consisting of ALL true believers in all ages. Only God knows their names and number, but they can be found in numerous denominational expressions the world over. There is a relatively small scope of beliefs that either testify of one’s union with Christ or betray their state of deadness in sin with their father the devil.

People just CANNOT STAND that kind of dogmatic, in or out simplicity which is itself a testimony of it’s truth.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:<<< Did you ever reflect on the fact that you whorship a god that will demand a detailed account of peoples theological beliefs and you better pick the ONE TRUE RELIGION or else YOU WILL DIE THE ETERNAL DEATH !!![/quote]No sir. The God I worship has had ALL of His just and holy demands met in full by the incarnation, sinless life, voluntary sacrificial death and resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. This God was born a divine man, one in substance and being with His Father or the sacrifice would have been useless to that Father. One in substance and being with us or it would have been useless to us. He fully reconciled God and man and that reconciliation is sealed by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit as the first fruits of a promise yet to be fully realized at our own resurrection. And there’s much more, but BUT…

He will not ask any of that at the judgment. His elect are those who have already believed these things in time. No need to ask. He chose them from the foundation of the world by His own crystal clear declaration. The damned are those who have not so believed and are left to their state of death in father Adam. The simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ that Paul warned us not to be led astray from by the serpent of old. I know precious powerful believers who could not tell me the theological name or precise exposition of ANY doctrine whatsoever, but they KNOW. What you call the “one true religion” I call from the sum of scripture on the subject, “the invisible church” consisting of ALL true believers in all ages. Only God knows their names and number, but they can be found in numerous denominational expressions the world over. There is a relatively small scope of beliefs that either testify of one’s union with Christ or betray their state of deadness in sin with their father the devil.

People just CANNOT STAND that kind of dogmatic, in or out simplicity which is itself a testimony of it’s truth.
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But tirib, if your soul is not immortal nothing of that matters. Hey, is hell going to be a conscious experience?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

People just CANNOT STAND that kind of dogmatic, in or out simplicity which is itself a testimony of it’s truth.

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The same can be said for Marxism and Islam.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< Did you read the scriptures I posted from the Book of Mormon? >>>[/quote]I know for an indisputable fact that the book of mormon is the fantastic, monumental achievement of the imagination and industry of Joseph Smith Jr. of Palmyra, N.Y. I do mean monumental BTW. My hat is off, lol! Tremendous work, but it ain’t God’s. There is just no possible way to escape that conclusion. There just isn’t. [quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< What about this testimony given by the current president of the LDS Church >>>[/quote]Listen to me man. Nobody knows the Word of God and religious leet speek like Satan. He quoted the scriptures to Jesus Himself. I am compelled to believe this guy is a false prophet or to abandon the bible as the Word of God. It is simply not possible they can both be from the same God. I know what he means by what he says and it is not the gospel of Christ. Jeremiah Wright does the same thing. Biblical terminology with pagan meanings. Why do you care what I think? I’m not the Holy Spirit. You have your testimony. Isn’t that enough?

You think I’d like to destroy your faith in your church don’t you? That is the wrong way to look at my attitude. I want you to know the true and living God and His Christ like I do. Leaving your church would just be the natural outcome of that. I knew of a girl in N.D. when I lived there who got saved reading the book of mormon. She believed what it said about repenting of her sin and trusting Jesus and the Lord saved her. Within a year she had canceled her temple marriage and left the LDS church to fellowship with true believers!!! Praise be to His glorious name… and sense of humor. The real gospel can be extracted out of the book of mormon here and there, but that doesn’t make it scripture. I have lots of books that also have the true gospel in much greater purity than the book of mormon and they’re not scripture either.

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:<<< But tirib, if your soul is not immortal nothing of that matters >>>[/quote]That would be quite true yes.[quote]kaaleppi wrote:Hey, is hell going to be a conscious experience?[/quote]Yes

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:<<< But tirib, if your soul is not immortal nothing of that matters >>>[/quote]That would be quite true yes.[quote]kaaleppi wrote:Hey, is hell going to be a conscious experience?[/quote]Yes
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You are a harsh man, tirib, and as a evangelican-luheran I know what it means. No, thank you, reminds me of Bergman’s movies.

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:<<< But tirib, if your soul is not immortal nothing of that matters >>>[/quote]That would be quite true yes.[quote]kaaleppi wrote:Hey, is hell going to be a conscious experience?[/quote]Yes
[/quote]You are a harsh man, tirib, and as a evangelican-luheran I know what it means. No, thank you, reminds me of Bergman’s movies.[/quote]Do you mean to say evangellical Lutheran?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:<<< But tirib, if your soul is not immortal nothing of that matters >>>[/quote]That would be quite true yes.[quote]kaaleppi wrote:Hey, is hell going to be a conscious experience?[/quote]Yes
[/quote]You are a harsh man, tirib, and as a evangelican-luheran I know what it means. No, thank you, reminds me of Bergman’s movies.[/quote]Do you mean to say evangellical Lutheran?
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Precicely that, if that is the correct spelling. My version is affected by my native language. And you are a harsh minister, even when it comes to spelling :slight_smile:

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You know I’m gonna say this, but I am simply reporting my friend. All of this was in place loooooong before I was here. The evangelical Lutheran church is very permissive and liberal by biblical standards btw. You’ll certainly call me harsh for saying that as well.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Catholics and Mormons are not IN ANY WAY similar. I am not willing to say that NO practicing Catholics will be in heaven. I am willing to say that NO knowledgeable practicing Mormons will be. It is pure damnable flaming frothing heresy on EVERY SINGLE mortally critical doctrine. The actual gospel of the actual God and His actual Christ can be found buried deeply under a full scale mountain range of man made garbage in Catholicism. It is by far the awesomely gracious exception though and most assuredly not the rule.

Mormonism is completely unique it’s conglomeration of… whatever that adds up to be. It is anything else imaginable than at all even vaguely related to the gospel of Jesus Christ. [/quote]

And yet, God has told Mormons that their church is the only true and living church upon the face of the earth with which He is well pleased.

God has told Catholics that they are Christ’s original church, and that His authority is invested in the Pope.

I guess God is a liar.

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God will never speak in contradiction to His revealed Word. So no. God has not told them that. BTW, God didn’t pull up a chair and TELL me what I believe either. I have shoulders tri’s and delts now.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
God will never speak in contradiction to His revealed Word. So no. God has not told them that. BTW, God didn’t pull up a chair and TELL me what I believe either. I have shoulders tri’s and delts now.[/quote]

How do you know God hasn’t spoken to them, and that you are the one being deceived by the Devil?

They are as convinced as you are that the TRUE God has spoken to them.

If they can be mistaken, so can you.

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What is it with this guy folks? One minute he’s beating somebody upside the head with his proudly proclaimed ignorance and yet he keeps nagging me for proof that he has by definition already declared impossible?
Galatians 2:20

No proof is possible in the realm of autonomous man.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Catholics and Mormons are not IN ANY WAY similar. I am not willing to say that NO practicing Catholics will be in heaven. I am willing to say that NO knowledgeable practicing Mormons will be. It is pure damnable flaming frothing heresy on EVERY SINGLE mortally critical doctrine. The actual gospel of the actual God and His actual Christ can be found buried deeply under a full scale mountain range of man made garbage in Catholicism. It is by far the awesomely gracious exception though and most assuredly not the rule.

Mormonism is completely unique it’s conglomeration of… whatever that adds up to be. It is anything else imaginable than at all even vaguely related to the gospel of Jesus Christ. [/quote]

“I am willing to say that NO knowledgeable practicing Mormons will be.” Holy crap dude, what is wrong with you? Seriously? You’re claiming knowledge only God himself could have. You say I believe in a small God? How about a God who could not even save a practicing Mormon…Nothing could be smaller…
How the hell do you know God can’t or won’t save Mormons?

I tell you, your ass will be waiting behind a long line of devout Mormons to get in to the pearly gates… I hope you sold enough raffle tickets to get a good seat. I tell you, you won’t profit from me, I don’t buy your bullshit.

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[quote]pat wrote:<<< How the hell do you know God can’t or won’t save Mormons? >>>[/quote]Because God CANNOT lie and what He has already said in His word declares the gods and jesus… and everything else in Mormonism to be false and if there was only one thing we know about this God of scripture it’s that He will not suffer the worshipers of other gods to live. Just declare yourself a unitarian Pat and throw your bible away already. I’m not being mean or even sarcastic, but really. You can pick up a bible and randomly close your eyes and open it anywhere with about an 85% chance of finding some form of what I just said. Is there anybody who has a false god to you? ANYBODY? I mean if the fantasy fiction of mormonism doesn’t qualify with you is there anything that does?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You know I’m gonna say this, but I am simply reporting my friend. All of this was in place loooooong before I was here. The evangelical Lutheran church is very permissive and liberal by biblical standards btw. You’ll certainly call me harsh for saying that as well.[/quote]

Pot meet kettle…or is that kettle meet pot. Either way, shake hands and say hi, both of you are liberal to a Catholic.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Catholics and Mormons are not IN ANY WAY similar. I am not willing to say that NO practicing Catholics will be in heaven. I am willing to say that NO knowledgeable practicing Mormons will be. It is pure damnable flaming frothing heresy on EVERY SINGLE mortally critical doctrine. The actual gospel of the actual God and His actual Christ can be found buried deeply under a full scale mountain range of man made garbage in Catholicism. It is by far the awesomely gracious exception though and most assuredly not the rule.

Mormonism is completely unique it’s conglomeration of… whatever that adds up to be. It is anything else imaginable than at all even vaguely related to the gospel of Jesus Christ. [/quote]

And yet, God has told Mormons that their church is the only true and living church upon the face of the earth with which He is well pleased.

God has told Catholics that they are Christ’s original church, and that His authority is invested in the Pope.

I guess God is a liar.[/quote]

No, but I tend to believe an institute that has been around for 2000 years over Mr. Joseph.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
God will never speak in contradiction to His revealed Word. So no. God has not told them that. BTW, God didn’t pull up a chair and TELL me what I believe either. I have shoulders tri’s and delts now.[/quote]

Well, that’s sad, because although Jesus didn’t pull up a chair he did say, “And I say to thee: That thou art Kepha; and upon this Kepha I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” And, so it was.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
God will never speak in contradiction to His revealed Word. So no. God has not told them that. BTW, God didn’t pull up a chair and TELL me what I believe either. I have shoulders tri’s and delts now.[/quote]

Well, that’s sad, because although Jesus didn’t pull up a chair he did say, “And I say to thee: That thou art Kepha; and upon this Kepha I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” And, so it was.[/quote]Ya come back and yer pickin a fight with me already Chris?