[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Lowe-1 wrote:
Oleena is TECHNICALLY correct. In that the British “came in to” the land that is Palestine. (amongst others.)
She has dates, and alliances mixed up though.
And I sure as fuck don’t give enough of a shit about either side to list all the mandates, accords, treaties, etc…etc… to spell it out. [/quote]
Yes and why bother with facts when they are so hard to learn and prejudices are so readily at hand?[/quote]
Ironic.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
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Ahmadinejad never denied the Holocaust, …
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“Never” means not ever. Jamais. Nie. Mai.
I provide the text and link in which Ahmadinejad calls the Holocaust a “lie” and a myth.’ Verbatim. In context.
This is a denial, documented in a neutral source in 2009, superseding all the wriggling and squirming that that icon of probity (as orion might have it) did for his Western European audience.
[quote]orion wrote:
squirm, squirm
wriggle, wriggle
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The wriggling will now continue until he finds some other pollution to post.[/quote]
You posted nada.
I however have posted the original speeches, I could also have posted the wild distortions, by Reuters too.
So cut the bullshit and post the original speech.
You know why some people still think it is funny to call me Navajo Joe?
Because that was the only claim I could not back up with sources, in a throwaway remark that was not meant to be serious to begin with.
This shoudl tell you something, so bring it darling, I am open to be convinced if you can post the original and not the smear campaign.
Xoxo[/quote]
Darling,
How is your Farsi?
Oh, you don’t trust Reuters and its translation? How about the official Iranian translation:
Any other arrows in your quiver, darling, or are you going to quiver some more? Squirm, wriggle, squirm, wriggle.
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Did you even watch your own video?
He did not call the ho9locaust a lie, he claimed that the myth surroundung the holocaust is used to advance what he perceives to be a zionist agenda.
Your own video dude, followed by a video that, yet again, misrepresents his statement.
Since you do not post obviously retarded ill researched shit on other occasions I can only assume that this issue pushes some buttons for you.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
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Ahmadinejad never denied the Holocaust, …
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“Never” means not ever. Jamais. Nie. Mai.
I provide the text and link in which Ahmadinejad calls the Holocaust a “lie” and a myth.’ Verbatim. In context.
This is a denial, documented in a neutral source in 2009, superseding all the wriggling and squirming that that icon of probity (as orion might have it) did for his Western European audience.
[quote]orion wrote:
squirm, squirm
wriggle, wriggle
[/quote]
The wriggling will now continue until he finds some other pollution to post.[/quote]
You posted nada.
I however have posted the original speeches, I could also have posted the wild distortions, by Reuters too.
So cut the bullshit and post the original speech.
You know why some people still think it is funny to call me Navajo Joe?
Because that was the only claim I could not back up with sources, in a throwaway remark that was not meant to be serious to begin with.
Xoxo[/quote]
Um, your stellar Civil War knowledge?
Ha ha ha.[/quote]
I think it is time for something that is long overdue, which is to thank you for your invaluable and insightful contributions to this forum.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I never once claimed Ahmadinejad denied the holocaust. Whilst he HAS done so he has also pretended to be a progressive liberal and modified his stance.
Why don’t we all just all concede that Ahmadinejad is a sick puppy who invited neo-Nazis(eg KKK ‘imperial wizard’ David Duke) and prominent holocaust deniers(Chomsky’s colleague Robert Faurisson) to Iran for a ‘conference’ on the ‘holocaust myth’?
And that at this ‘conference’ the former interior minister of Iran claimed that ‘all the research’ has ‘proven’ that the holocaust was ‘a tale’(standing ovation from audience). We can also agree that Faurisson claims the gas chambers never existed and that a Syrian official claimed the holocaust was ‘a conspiracy against the Arab-Islamic world IF it existed’. Then we can distinguish the nutters from the nitpickers here.
Ahmadinejad: Vile anti-Semitic psychopath trying to build a nuclear bomb or freedom fighter standing up for ‘oppressed’ Palestinians, incarcerated Americans(big Satans), G2 summit protesters and native Americans?
Lastly, Ahmadinjed has a lot more media savy than former Iranian head of state Khomeini who stated in his enlightening book on religious instruction for Muslims:
“A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”
Should we really be defending Ahmadinejad’s statements and acting as his apologists? Yah or nay?[/quote]
Yeah well, he is a bit of a fucktard.
That however apparently is not enough to rally the American people to wage war against Iran, which is why his comments are pimped to fit a belligerent agenda.
Arabs are pretty loud when it comes to rhetoric, but their actions still speak louder then words lol.
Well, maybe not as loud as the outcry we have to witness on a regular basis after they get their asses whooped for the 100th time after attacking Israel only for them to “regroup” and come back etc ad nauseum.
Now, here’s something to think about - all this discussion on how Israel acquired it’s territory - what if every square inch of it was in fact purchased with documents to prove it and someone bothered to collect all that paperwork and present it to Arabs. Are you telling me they’ll stop hating on Israel ? Fuck no. It’s the very fact that the Jews whom they hate have their own state that is driving them nuts.
Also, which land did Arabs buy and from whom in that area ?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[Did you even watch your own video?
He did not call the ho9locaust a lie, he claimed that the myth surroundung the holocaust is used to advance what he perceives to be a zionist agenda.
Your own video dude, followed by a video that, yet again, misrepresents his statement.
Since you do not post obviously retarded ill researched shit on other occasions I can only assume that this issue pushes some buttons for you.
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Wow.
The announcer clearly says that he “said the Holocaust was a lie.”
One can only wonder what else you miss.
Amazing.[/quote]
I dont care what the announcer said.
Since he was so kind as to post a link to Ahmadinejads speech I do not need the “announcer” to announce anything.
Ah, the link above the video you apparently did look at.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Oleena said: “if you claim that one side is at all justified in their murder of innocents because you see very few innocents as being a part of the group you are killing (when the numbers don’t agree with you”
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One source?
There are plenty, but I am not in the mood to look it up right now.
Googling Sharon and massacre should do the trick, that man had quite the history.
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Sharon never ‘murdered’ anyone. The Sabra and Shatila massacre was committed by Lebanese phalangists. He was criticised for his failure to prevent Lebanese killing other Lebanese you fool.[/quote]
Well first of all he was part of a massacre before that, you fool (sic), but I guess your google is broken.
Second, he was accused of putting those massacred into camps, bussing teh Christian militia in, illuminating the area so that they could slaughter to their hearts delight, not doing a thing to stop it and then trying to cover it up.
All in the course of a military adventure that made all of this even possible.
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This is complete bullshit. Sharon was furious when he found out about the massacre, and the presiding genius over that massacre was Elie Hobeika, a Lebanese forces commander, sponsored by the Syrians. NOT the Israelis.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
You know what the real problem with this issue is? There is un-excusable slaughter of humanity happening as a result of every side giving an opinion about this, and for this reason it’s nearly impossible to find un-biased information about it.
Another problem is, people have an idea of ownership over the land and they think that their right to the land is more important than someone else’s life. I don’t understand that. If someone wanted to take my land, to the point of bloodshed, I would move or join them. It’s simply not worth it. [/quote]
It has nothing to do with “land,” that’s B.S. ginned up to give some sort of credibility to people who are not familiar with the facts.
There is a certain strain of Islam that teaches it is OK to kill Jewish people.
It doesn’t matter where we live or exist.[/quote]
Well the fact is that Israel is occupying their enemy’s territory, not the other way around, and not being too nice about it either. If you ever want hatred on either side to end, one side is going to have to stop violating the rights of the other, or someone is going to have to step in and equally prevent the violation on either side.
Edit: My occupying, I’m not talking about the possession of Israel, but the fact that they have large operations outside the boarders where their enemies are staying.[/quote]
Please understand that you know nothing about this. Israel is not ‘occupying’ ‘large operations outside the boarders’. There ARE no borders. When the six day war ended the cease fire lines left Israel in Gaza, all of Sinai, Golan and the West Bank. Under international law Israel has the right to occupy all of this land until a negotiated settlement is reached and borders agreed upon. However Israel pulled out of Sinai(after Yom Kippur and Sadat treaty that resulted in the Egyptians assassinating their own Prime Minister), has pulled out of Gaza(in 2005 when suicide bombers were no longer able to enter Israel) and continually evicts Jews off their land in WB to give to the Arabs. See video below for example if you’re really interested in facts.
A negotiated border/s will never happen as the Arabs don’t want borders or a second Palestinian state for Arabs only, they want all of Israel and the worldwide extermination of Jewry. If they were to succeed in this endeavour you can bet your bottom dollar that they’ll then want ‘right of return’ to Southern Cyprus/Bulgaria/Spain next.
THere is no “next”. The Muslims have been talking for years about “taking back” Andalusia, and they are busily conquering Africa countries and chasing our=t and massacring Christians all over the ME. They’ve already got rid of the Jews from all the Arab Muslims countries.
“Sponsored by the Syrians” LMFAO. I never knew that taking a moderate view towards Syrian involvement = sponsorship.
Also didn’t know the Syrians were down with Maronites. Learn something new everyday.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
…
Ahmadinejad never denied the Holocaust, …
[/quote]
“Never” means not ever. Jamais. Nie. Mai.
I provide the text and link in which Ahmadinejad calls the Holocaust a “lie” and a myth.’ Verbatim. In context.
This is a denial, documented in a neutral source in 2009, superseding all the wriggling and squirming that that icon of probity (as orion might have it) did for his Western European audience.
[quote]orion wrote:
squirm, squirm
wriggle, wriggle
[/quote]
The wriggling will now continue until he finds some other pollution to post.[/quote]
You posted nada.
I however have posted the original speeches, I could also have posted the wild distortions, by Reuters too.
So cut the bullshit and post the original speech.
You know why some people still think it is funny to call me Navajo Joe?
Because that was the only claim I could not back up with sources, in a throwaway remark that was not meant to be serious to begin with.
This shoudl tell you something, so bring it darling, I am open to be convinced if you can post the original and not the smear campaign.
Xoxo[/quote]
Darling,
How is your Farsi?
Oh, you don’t trust Reuters and its translation? How about the official Iranian translation:
Any other arrows in your quiver, darling, or are you going to quiver some more? Squirm, wriggle, squirm, wriggle.
[/quote]
Did you even watch your own video?
He did not call the ho9locaust a lie, he claimed that the myth surroundung the holocaust is used to advance what he perceives to be a zionist agenda.
Your own video dude, followed by a video that, yet again, misrepresents his statement.
Since you do not post obviously retarded ill researched shit on other occasions I can only assume that this issue pushes some buttons for you.
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You are in no position to assume anything; you have made an ass of yourself quite handily.
Perhaps you have had your own buttons pushed since you cannot distinguish truth from self-serving fantasy.
This is the best you can come up with? If you watch both videos, it is quite clear–in both translations–what Ahmadinejad said: “myth” and “lie” constitute denial of The Event. Only a beleaguered, and intellectually impoverished “sophist” would argue otherwise. That’s you.
Given the absolute malarkey that you have posted here, you have nothing more to say on the subject. You will now be subjected to ridicule, and demands “for sources,” whenever you post your stupid assertions.
You are done here.
So now you, Navajo Joe, have achieved a new title, Denier of His Denial of the Denier of the Holocaust.
Little bit different from what is being talked about, but was surprised to read about what some in Syria are saying about Israel. It must truly be terrible there if this is the case.
â??Let Israel Comeâ??
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/04/25/let-israel-come/
From the article:
"The AP report has a remarkable quote:
â??Let Obama come and take Syria. Let Israel come and take Syria. Let the Jews come,â?? shouted one Daraa resident over the phone. â??Anything is better than Bashar Assad,â?? he said, playing on Syriaâ??s hatred for Israel to highlight how much town residents despise their leader.
If thatâ??s what people in the streets of Syria are saying, I suspect the days of the Assad regime are numbered, however many tanks and soldiers they deploy."
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[Did you even watch your own video?
He did not call the ho9locaust a lie, he claimed that the myth surroundung the holocaust is used to advance what he perceives to be a zionist agenda.
Your own video dude, followed by a video that, yet again, misrepresents his statement.
Since you do not post obviously retarded ill researched shit on other occasions I can only assume that this issue pushes some buttons for you.
[/quote]
Wow.
The announcer clearly says that he “said the Holocaust was a lie.”
One can only wonder what else you miss.
Amazing.[/quote]
I dont care what the announcer said.
Since he was so kind as to post a link to Ahmadinejads speech I do not need the “announcer” to announce anything.
Ah, the link above the video you apparently did look at.
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Huh?
I’ve looked at both videos, and both make clear what he said. At least one of them was his OWN country’s interpreter!
One is left with no choice but to conclude that your capacity for denial on this stuff can only be explained by your love for your Nazi gramps, I guess…
Again, I repeat:
Amazing. [/quote]
Oh please.
He has referred repeatedly to the myth surrounding the holocaust as it is used by Israel.
You can agree with that or not, but not everything that contains holocaust and myth in the same sentence is a holocaust denial.
[quote]Menthol wrote:
Little bit different from what is being talked about, but was surprised to read about what some in Syria are saying about Israel. It must truly be terrible there if this is the case.
â??Let Israel Comeâ??
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/04/25/let-israel-come/
From the article:
"The AP report has a remarkable quote:
â??Let Obama come and take Syria. Let Israel come and take Syria. Let the Jews come,â?? shouted one Daraa resident over the phone. â??Anything is better than Bashar Assad,â?? he said, playing on Syriaâ??s hatred for Israel to highlight how much town residents despise their leader.
If thatâ??s what people in the streets of Syria are saying, I suspect the days of the Assad regime are numbered, however many tanks and soldiers they deploy."[/quote]
A report of someone raving on the phone and descrining Israel and Jews as the lesser of two evils doesn’t really give an indication of national sentiment. The Syrian representative at the United Nations recently complained that Israeli children on school buses sing songs about tearing the flesh from Arabs with their teeth then drinking their blood. Presumably this is why Hamas targets them with guided missiles:
Just because someone uses the words ‘fuck off’ and ‘orion’ in a three word imperative sentence doesn’t mean they’re being rude.