The Case Against Israel's Enemies

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Lowe-1 wrote:
What is it with jews and the number 6,000,000?

This number was first thrown around against Germany during WW1. Then, in the early 20’s, it was tacked on to the Soviet Union. And then, surprise, it comes back up against Germany during WW2.

And now here we go again with another 6,000,000 being brought up. Is 6,000,000 like catnip to dumb, Christian tools?[/quote]

Yes, because we made up a large part of that 6 million.[/quote]

Actually, 6 million is the number of Jews estimated to have been killed in extermination camps, mass shootings and induced starvation/disease in ghettos/camps based on serious historical scholarship as opposed to the Ahmadinejad school. In addition 2-3 million Russians, 2 million Poles and as many Gypsies, homosexuals and Jehovah’s Witnesses as they could round up. By V-E Day more than three quarters of all European Jews had been exterminated.[/quote]

Ahmadinejad never denied the Holocaust, he attacked the myth that was built surrounding it that he believes is used to further a Zionist agenda.

Does your ignorance know no bounds?

Oh well, you have me on ignore anyway, which is why you do not even knwo how much you embarass yourself.
[/quote]

No sooner does Orion accuse another of sophistry, that he employs it himself.

Ahmadinnerjacket doesn’t deny the Holocaust? Even providing a calculated purpose to the denial cannot deny the denial:

The pretext (Holocaust) for the creation of the Zionist regime (Israel) is false … It is a lie based on an unprovable and mythical claim," he told worshippers at Tehran University at the end of an annual anti-Israel “Qods (Jerusalem) Day” rally.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/09/18/us-iran-idUSTRE58H17S20090918

among a billion other sources.

Watch now as orion–known widely for his expertise in Navajo history–tries to wriggle and squirm, adding to the pile of his embarassments.

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Lowe-1 wrote:
What is it with jews and the number 6,000,000?

This number was first thrown around against Germany during WW1. Then, in the early 20’s, it was tacked on to the Soviet Union. And then, surprise, it comes back up against Germany during WW2.

And now here we go again with another 6,000,000 being brought up. Is 6,000,000 like catnip to dumb, Christian tools?[/quote]

Yes, because we made up a large part of that 6 million.[/quote]

Actually, 6 million is the number of Jews estimated to have been killed in extermination camps, mass shootings and induced starvation/disease in ghettos/camps based on serious historical scholarship as opposed to the Ahmadinejad school. In addition 2-3 million Russians, 2 million Poles and as many Gypsies, homosexuals and Jehovah’s Witnesses as they could round up. By V-E Day more than three quarters of all European Jews had been exterminated.[/quote]

Ahmadinejad never denied the Holocaust, he attacked the myth that was built surrounding it that he believes is used to further a Zionist agenda.

Does your ignorance know no bounds?

Oh well, you have me on ignore anyway, which is why you do not even knwo how much you embarass yourself.
[/quote]

No sooner does Orion accuse another of sophistry, that he employs it himself.

Ahmadinnerjacket doesn’t deny the Holocaust? Even providing a calculated purpose to the denial cannot deny the denial:

The pretext (Holocaust) for the creation of the Zionist regime (Israel) is false … It is a lie based on an unprovable and mythical claim," he told worshippers at Tehran University at the end of an annual anti-Israel “Qods (Jerusalem) Day” rally.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/09/18/us-iran-idUSTRE58H17S20090918

among a billion other sources.

Watch now as orion–known widely for his expertise in Navajo history–tries to wriggle and squirm, adding to the pile of his embarassments.[/quote]

Poppycock, he was accused several times and a big bruhaha ensued and behind it stood always something like this:

Oh, look I haz original letter that was claimed to be denial of holocaust!

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8506060558

I also haz text of “racist” speech before the UN:

I also haz text of the “wipe Israel off the map” speech where, not surprisingly no such thing was said, given that the very phrase does not exist in Farsi, but was also taken out of context that showed quite clearly that he was not talking about the deliberate extinction of all Jews.

Interestingly enough what I haz not, is the speech you mentioned, please excuse my scepticism if someone whose remarks have repeteadly taken out of context, mistranslated and perverted is accused of being a holocaust denier yet again.

I can show you something in context though:

See how easy it is to find something someone actually said in public, intended for a wide audience and all.

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[quote]orion wrote:
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Ahmadinejad never denied the Holocaust, …

[/quote]

“Never” means not ever. Jamais. Nie. Mai.

I provide the text and link in which Ahmadinejad calls the Holocaust a “lie” and a myth.’ Verbatim. In context.
This is a denial, documented in a neutral source in 2009, superseding all the wriggling and squirming that that icon of probity (as orion might have it) did for his Western European audience.

[quote]orion wrote:

squirm, squirm

wriggle, wriggle

[/quote]

The wriggling will now continue until he finds some other pollution to post.

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Oleena is TECHNICALLY correct. In that the British “came in to” the land that is Palestine. (amongst others.)

She has dates, and alliances mixed up though.

And I sure as fuck don’t give enough of a shit about either side to list all the mandates, accords, treaties, etc…etc… to spell it out.

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[quote]Lowe-1 wrote:
Oleena is TECHNICALLY correct. In that the British “came in to” the land that is Palestine. (amongst others.)

She has dates, and alliances mixed up though.

And I sure as fuck don’t give enough of a shit about either side to list all the mandates, accords, treaties, etc…etc… to spell it out. [/quote]

Yes and why bother with facts when they are so hard to learn and prejudices are so readily at hand?

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Like I said, I give nary a fuck about either side. Other than my wish they’d fucking kill each other off quickly.

I was simply stating that, while confused with the particulars, she is correct in the meat of the subject.

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
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Ahmadinejad never denied the Holocaust, …

[/quote]

“Never” means not ever. Jamais. Nie. Mai.

I provide the text and link in which Ahmadinejad calls the Holocaust a “lie” and a myth.’ Verbatim. In context.
This is a denial, documented in a neutral source in 2009, superseding all the wriggling and squirming that that icon of probity (as orion might have it) did for his Western European audience.

[quote]orion wrote:

squirm, squirm

wriggle, wriggle

[/quote]

The wriggling will now continue until he finds some other pollution to post.[/quote]

You posted nada.

I however have posted the original speeches, I could also have posted the wild distortions, by Reuters too.

So cut the bullshit and post the original speech.

You know why some people still think it is funny to call me Navajo Joe?

Because that was the only claim I could not back up with sources, in a throwaway remark that was not meant to be serious to begin with.

This shoudl tell you something, so bring it darling, I am open to be convinced if you can post the original and not the smear campaign.

Xoxo

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
…

Ahmadinejad never denied the Holocaust, …

[/quote]

“Never” means not ever. Jamais. Nie. Mai.

I provide the text and link in which Ahmadinejad calls the Holocaust a “lie” and a myth.’ Verbatim. In context.
This is a denial, documented in a neutral source in 2009, superseding all the wriggling and squirming that that icon of probity (as orion might have it) did for his Western European audience.

[quote]orion wrote:

squirm, squirm

wriggle, wriggle

[/quote]

The wriggling will now continue until he finds some other pollution to post.[/quote]

You posted nada.

I however have posted the original speeches, I could also have posted the wild distortions, by Reuters too.

So cut the bullshit and post the original speech.

You know why some people still think it is funny to call me Navajo Joe?

Because that was the only claim I could not back up with sources, in a throwaway remark that was not meant to be serious to begin with.

This shoudl tell you something, so bring it darling, I am open to be convinced if you can post the original and not the smear campaign.

Xoxo[/quote]

Darling,

How is your Farsi?

Oh, you don’t trust Reuters and its translation? How about the official Iranian translation:

Any other arrows in your quiver, darling, or are you going to quiver some more? Squirm, wriggle, squirm, wriggle.

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I never once claimed Ahmadinejad denied the holocaust. Whilst he HAS done so he has also pretended to be a progressive liberal and modified his stance.

Why don’t we all just all concede that Ahmadinejad is a sick puppy who invited neo-Nazis(eg KKK ‘imperial wizard’ David Duke) and prominent holocaust deniers(Chomsky’s colleague Robert Faurisson) to Iran for a ‘conference’ on the ‘holocaust myth’?

And that at this ‘conference’ the former interior minister of Iran claimed that ‘all the research’ has ‘proven’ that the holocaust was ‘a tale’(standing ovation from audience). We can also agree that Faurisson claims the gas chambers never existed and that a Syrian official claimed the holocaust was ‘a conspiracy against the Arab-Islamic world IF it existed’. Then we can distinguish the nutters from the nitpickers here.

Ahmadinejad: Vile anti-Semitic psychopath trying to build a nuclear bomb or freedom fighter standing up for ‘oppressed’ Palestinians, incarcerated Americans(big Satans), G2 summit protesters and native Americans?

Lastly, Ahmadinjed has a lot more media savy than former Iranian head of state Khomeini who stated in his enlightening book on religious instruction for Muslims:

“A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”

Should we really be defending Ahmadinejad’s statements and acting as his apologists? Yah or nay?

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I (and any rational, logical person) find it extremely suspect that one cannot question the dubious, and oft fallacious, claims attached to the holocaust ™ without immediately being labeled a “nut” or in some cases, be jailed for it.

Not the case with ANY other event (or non-event) in all of recorded history.

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[quote]Lowe-1 wrote:
I (and any rational, logical person) find it extremely suspect that one cannot question the dubious, and oft fallacious, claims attached to the holocaust ™ without immediately being labeled a “nut” or in some cases, be jailed for it.

Not the case with ANY other event (or non-event) in all of recorded history.[/quote]

Because by your own admission, you have no need of facts?

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
…

Ahmadinejad never denied the Holocaust, …

[/quote]

“Never” means not ever. Jamais. Nie. Mai.

I provide the text and link in which Ahmadinejad calls the Holocaust a “lie” and a myth.’ Verbatim. In context.
This is a denial, documented in a neutral source in 2009, superseding all the wriggling and squirming that that icon of probity (as orion might have it) did for his Western European audience.

[quote]orion wrote:

squirm, squirm

wriggle, wriggle

[/quote]

The wriggling will now continue until he finds some other pollution to post.[/quote]

You posted nada.

I however have posted the original speeches, I could also have posted the wild distortions, by Reuters too.

So cut the bullshit and post the original speech.

You know why some people still think it is funny to call me Navajo Joe?

Because that was the only claim I could not back up with sources, in a throwaway remark that was not meant to be serious to begin with.

This shoudl tell you something, so bring it darling, I am open to be convinced if you can post the original and not the smear campaign.

Xoxo[/quote]

Darling,

How is your Farsi?

Oh, you don’t trust Reuters and its translation? How about the official Iranian translation:

Any other arrows in your quiver, darling, or are you going to quiver some more? Squirm, wriggle, squirm, wriggle.

[/quote]

Yoo-hoo, orion, “darling”…What? no response? No glib insults? No unsupported assertions? Are you now going to deny that you denied the holocaust denier?
Still squirming? Embarrassed? Discredited? Disgraced? Dismembered?

If only you demanded as much from your own dubious sources as you selectively demand of others.

I take no particular pleasure in proving you a fool, since you, repeatedly, have done most of the work yourself.

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

Because by your own admission, you have no need of facts?[/quote]

You’ve misunderstood the point I was trying to make in regards to Oleena. Perhaps I should have worded it better.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

During America’s Revolutionary War which occurred in 1492 the British colonies were allied with Prussia. In fact, Prussia helped General Theodore Roosevelt at the Battle of Yorktown by blockading Charleston harbor.

There. How did I do? I DID get the “meat of the subject” right, didn’t I?[/quote]

Let’s not get carried away. I was simply stating she’s confused, or is perhaps the product of public education in the US.

The funny thing is, she’s still right in her point. The Brits divided up the land(s) we currently know as the Middle East. A point I might add, none of you has been able to disprove. Which is probably why you’ve all reverted to the “neener neener neener you got this and that wrong”.

But I digress. It’s a boring subject that the world will no doubt continue to bang it’s head against until one side is victorious. Or they just kill one another off. Which frankly would be the best thing.

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No, it’s boring because it’s the same, rinse…repeat shit over and over. For some unimaginable fucking reason, the West thinks it can referee this shit and it can’t.

Let 'em both go at it unhinged and let’s get it over with already. Fuck me. It’s like dealing with children.