[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[/quote]
k, then I’ll make it simple for you if “sophistic shenanigans” are not your thing.
although I recall your bullshitting trying to prove arabs didn’t want to kick ze joos into ze sea, and started 3 wars just for the heck of it, which was the pinnacle of “sophistic shenanigans” seen on this forum.
If Arabs stop violence against Israel there will be no violence there - it’s them who are on the perpetual hate-fueled jihad against the Jews, not the other way around.
No matter how weak and pathetic they are (or pretend to be) or how loud they cry when Israel retaliates that doesn’t change the fact that they are the perpetual aggressor in that region. They just need to leave Israel alone and learn to co-exist with the Jews even if they don’t like them.
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[/quote]
k, then I’ll make it simple for you if “sophistic shenanigans” are not your thing.
although I recall your bullshitting trying to prove arabs didn’t want to kick ze joos into ze sea, and started 3 wars just for the heck of it, which was the pinnacle of “sophistic shenanigans” seen on this forum.
If Arabs stop violence against Israel there will be no violence there - it’s them who are on the perpetual hate-fueled jihad against the Jews, not the other way around.
No matter how weak and pathetic they are (or pretend to be) or how loud they cry when Israel retaliates that doesn’t change the fact that they are the perpetual aggressor in that region. They just need to leave Israel alone and learn to co-exist with the Jews even if they don’t like them.
[/quote]
I did that?
Where and when?
What I claimed was that just because you can find some Arab loonies you cannot justify any base desire you might feel.
Also, it was simply fun posting a picture of Israelis literally driving Arabs into the sea.
Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[/quote]
k, then I’ll make it simple for you if “sophistic shenanigans” are not your thing.
although I recall your bullshitting trying to prove arabs didn’t want to kick ze joos into ze sea, and started 3 wars just for the heck of it, which was the pinnacle of “sophistic shenanigans” seen on this forum.
If Arabs stop violence against Israel there will be no violence there - it’s them who are on the perpetual hate-fueled jihad against the Jews, not the other way around.
No matter how weak and pathetic they are (or pretend to be) or how loud they cry when Israel retaliates that doesn’t change the fact that they are the perpetual aggressor in that region. They just need to leave Israel alone and learn to co-exist with the Jews even if they don’t like them.
[/quote]
I did that?
Where and when?
What I claimed was that just because you can find some Arab loonies you cannot justify any base desire you might feel.
Also, it was simply fun posting a picture of Israelis literally driving Arabs into the sea.
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
[/quote]
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which(sic) was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[/quote]
k, then I’ll make it simple for you if “sophistic shenanigans” are not your thing.
although I recall your bullshitting trying to prove arabs didn’t want to kick ze joos into ze sea, and started 3 wars just for the heck of it, which was the pinnacle of “sophistic shenanigans” seen on this forum.
If Arabs stop violence against Israel there will be no violence there - it’s them who are on the perpetual hate-fueled jihad against the Jews, not the other way around.
No matter how weak and pathetic they are (or pretend to be) or how loud they cry when Israel retaliates that doesn’t change the fact that they are the perpetual aggressor in that region. They just need to leave Israel alone and learn to co-exist with the Jews even if they don’t like them.
[/quote]
I did that?
Where and when?
What I claimed was that just because you can find some Arab loonies you cannot justify any base desire you might feel.
Also, it was simply fun posting a picture of Israelis literally driving Arabs into the sea.
Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.
[/quote]
I LOL’d.
This is the kind of irrational shit - “sophistic shenanigans” if you will - that is sitcom-worthy perhaps but surely you don’t expect me to take this seriously do you ?
Another perfect example of these “shenanigans” is when Arabs/Iranians claim to have nothing against “ze joos” per se but it’s the “evol state of Izrael” they are unhappy with instead.
Shit man, I don’t have anything against Canadians but the evil state of Canada must be destroyed at all cost! How’s that? Makes sense, eh?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[/quote]
k, then I’ll make it simple for you if “sophistic shenanigans” are not your thing.
although I recall your bullshitting trying to prove arabs didn’t want to kick ze joos into ze sea, and started 3 wars just for the heck of it, which was the pinnacle of “sophistic shenanigans” seen on this forum.
If Arabs stop violence against Israel there will be no violence there - it’s them who are on the perpetual hate-fueled jihad against the Jews, not the other way around.
No matter how weak and pathetic they are (or pretend to be) or how loud they cry when Israel retaliates that doesn’t change the fact that they are the perpetual aggressor in that region. They just need to leave Israel alone and learn to co-exist with the Jews even if they don’t like them.
[/quote]
I did that?
Where and when?
What I claimed was that just because you can find some Arab loonies you cannot justify any base desire you might feel.
Also, it was simply fun posting a picture of Israelis literally driving Arabs into the sea.
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
[/quote]
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which(sic) was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
He quoted noone, he claimed that this is what they would like to do.
Interesting assertion, however that is not how this quote is usually used. It is usually used to decry Arab fanaticism when the term was coined by the Israeli prime minister in a speech in the Knesset.
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[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[/quote]
k, then I’ll make it simple for you if “sophistic shenanigans” are not your thing.
although I recall your bullshitting trying to prove arabs didn’t want to kick ze joos into ze sea, and started 3 wars just for the heck of it, which was the pinnacle of “sophistic shenanigans” seen on this forum.
If Arabs stop violence against Israel there will be no violence there - it’s them who are on the perpetual hate-fueled jihad against the Jews, not the other way around.
No matter how weak and pathetic they are (or pretend to be) or how loud they cry when Israel retaliates that doesn’t change the fact that they are the perpetual aggressor in that region. They just need to leave Israel alone and learn to co-exist with the Jews even if they don’t like them.
[/quote]
I did that?
Where and when?
What I claimed was that just because you can find some Arab loonies you cannot justify any base desire you might feel.
Also, it was simply fun posting a picture of Israelis literally driving Arabs into the sea.
Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.
[/quote]
I LOL’d.
This is the kind of irrational shit - “sophistic shenanigans” if you will - that is sitcom-worthy perhaps but surely you don’t expect me to take this seriously do you ?
Another perfect example of these “shenanigans” is when Arabs/Iranians claim to have nothing against “ze joos” per se but it’s the “evol state of Izrael” they are unhappy with instead.
Shit man, I don’t have anything against Canadians but the evil state of Canada must be destroyed at all cost! How’s that? Makes sense, eh?
[/quote]
What sophistic shenanigans?
When I point out that your “drive ze Joos into ze Zeeeeee!!!” spiel was invented by Ben Gurion and was greedily gobbled up by anyone wanting to use it as an excuse for violents actions against Arabs?
To be fair, I do not think that he could have possibly foreseen how it would be used, but the way it is used now is simply laughable, you not only accept Israels intentions on face value, you also accept their claims on their enemies intentions on face value.
And I bet you never took the 5 minutes it took me to find out where this quote was from, shenanigans indeed…
"What sophistic shenanigans? "
Read my post - I gave you a specific example of that.
“When I point out that your “drive ze Joos into ze Zeeeeee!!!” spiel was invented by Ben Gurion and was greedily gobbled up by anyone wanting to use it as an excuse for violents actions against Arabs?”
I don’t speak Hebrew or Arabic and I suspect neither do you so who came up with what spiel is questionable by definition without actual transcripts of Nasser’s speeches - I’ll give you that as I have no desire to go around in circles.
There are well documented things though - like say the “three no’s” (No negotiations, no recognition and no peace) declaration at an Arab summit in Khartoum after getting their asses handed to them in the 6-day war etc.
You know why Arabs’ quotes sound believable to me though? Because they align with their actions - from their countries attacking Israel the day it declares independence to individuals blowing themselves up at Israeli night clubs.
They manifest their hateful attitude towards the Jews in their rhetoric and in their actions.
Then they cry when shit hits the fan.
Again, they need to leave Israel the fuck alone and there would be piece.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[/quote]
k, then I’ll make it simple for you if “sophistic shenanigans” are not your thing.
although I recall your bullshitting trying to prove arabs didn’t want to kick ze joos into ze sea, and started 3 wars just for the heck of it, which was the pinnacle of “sophistic shenanigans” seen on this forum.
If Arabs stop violence against Israel there will be no violence there - it’s them who are on the perpetual hate-fueled jihad against the Jews, not the other way around.
No matter how weak and pathetic they are (or pretend to be) or how loud they cry when Israel retaliates that doesn’t change the fact that they are the perpetual aggressor in that region. They just need to leave Israel alone and learn to co-exist with the Jews even if they don’t like them.
[/quote]
I did that?
Where and when?
What I claimed was that just because you can find some Arab loonies you cannot justify any base desire you might feel.
Also, it was simply fun posting a picture of Israelis literally driving Arabs into the sea.
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
[/quote]
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which(sic) was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
He quoted noone, he claimed that this is what they would like to do.
Interesting assertion, however that is not how this quote is usually used. It is usually used to decry Arab fanaticism when the term was coined by the Israeli prime minister in a speech in the Knesset.
edited[/quote]
"In 1957, ten years before the Six-Day War, Abdul Nasser said, “We are going to drive the Jews into the sea and wipe them out as a nation.”
"again in 1967 Nasser said, “We are going to grind them into the ground. We are going to push them into the sea. We’re going to wipe out Israel–no one will ever remember them again.”
ReignIB = Saying three wars is an understatement. There have been five started by the Arabs; War of Independence, Sinai War(Suez Crisis), Six Day War, War of Attrition and Yom Kippur. You could claim several more but I feel that 1st Lebanon, 2nd Lebanon etc aren’t wars as such as no conventional forces were engaged.
EDIT: The footnote for these statements cites Benny Morris. The statement has been repeated ad nauseum by Arab leaders(they obviously believe it). However, more recent statements from leaders of the Muslim world(‘hunting them down across the globe’ etc) make Nasser’s bloodcurdling ravings pale into insignificance.
Sexmachine- Are you aware that there’s a large Jewish campaign in the united states to eliminate bad press?
If you call bullshit on this and say “No, the Palestinians are saying that. It’s false. They’re the ones trying to eliminate bad press” I would have to ask "Do they not both have good cause to want good press? Therefore, why would you not be suspicious of both.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Sexmachine- Are you aware that there’s a large Jewish campaign in the united states to eliminate bad press?
If you call bullshit on this and say “No, the Palestinians are saying that. It’s false. They’re the ones trying to eliminate bad press” I would have to ask "Do they not both have good cause to want good press? Therefore, why would you not be suspicious of both.[/quote]
It’s not a ‘Jewish campaign’ it’s a pro-Israeli campaign. Of course there’s a pro-Israeli lobby group in the United States. Why shouldn’t there be? Why would the existence of a pro-Israeli lobby group alter my interpretation of modern history?
Jews, like gentiles have a large number of left-wing traitors amongst them who are on the pro-genocide side. Perhaps their most prominent leader is Noam Chomsky who thinks the Japanese invasions in WWII were ‘highly beneficial for the people of Asia’ amongst other things.
No one is free from bias. If not enough information is available to critically evaluate something, people have to rely on experience. Not all snakes are poisonous/can bite. But if I saw a snake in my path and didn’t know what type it was, I would avoid it. Watch your own video on critcal thinking again.
EDIT:
The pro-Israeli lobby group does not want to ‘eliminate bad press’, it wants the press to report the facts as opposed to what some Hamas leader said. It wants the press to take Israeli claims and Palestinian claims and assess them critically.
Are you not aware that the UN, Amnesty International, and numerous other ‘human rights’ groups have reported Hamas/Hezbollah lies to the international media then failed to retract them when they have been shown to false? Are you not aware that the international media does the same thing? I can give you dozens of examples but I think I’d be wasting my time.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Sexmachine- Are you aware that there’s a large Jewish campaign in the united states to eliminate bad press?
If you call bullshit on this and say “No, the Palestinians are saying that. It’s false. They’re the ones trying to eliminate bad press” I would have to ask "Do they not both have good cause to want good press? Therefore, why would you not be suspicious of both.[/quote]
It’s not a ‘Jewish campaign’ it’s a pro-Israeli campaign. Of course there’s a pro-Israeli lobby group in the United States. Why shouldn’t there be? Why would the existence of a pro-Israeli lobby group alter my interpretation of modern history?
Jews, like gentiles have a large number of left-wing traitors amongst them who are on the pro-genocide side. Perhaps their most prominent leader is Noam Chomsky who thinks the Japanese invasions in WWII were ‘highly beneficial for the people of Asia’ amongst other things.
No one is free from bias. If not enough information is available to critically evaluate something, people have to rely on experience. Not all snakes are poisonous/can bite. But if I saw a snake in my path and didn’t know what type it was, I would avoid it. Watch your own video on critcal thinking again.
EDIT:
The pro-Israeli lobby group does not want to ‘eliminate bad press’, it wants the press to report the facts as opposed to what some Hamas leader said. It wants the press to take Israeli claims and Palestinian claims and assess them critically.
Are you not aware that the UN, Amnesty International, and numerous other ‘human rights’ groups have reported Hamas/Hezbollah lies to the international media then failed to retract them when they have been shown to false? Are you not aware that the international media does the same thing? I can give you dozens of examples but I think I’d be wasting my time.[/quote]
So you admit that there’s a pro-Israeli lobby in American but not that they might edit stories to be pro-Israel?
[quote]Oleena wrote:
So you admit that there’s a pro-Israeli lobby in American but not that they might edit stories to be pro-Israel?[/quote]
Did you see the link showing how Reuters cropped(i.e. edited out) a knife and a pool of blood from photos of one of the Israeli commandos on the ‘peace flotilla’? It’s called ‘liberal media bias’ and there’s a shitload more of it than conservative bias.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[/quote]
k, then I’ll make it simple for you if “sophistic shenanigans” are not your thing.
although I recall your bullshitting trying to prove arabs didn’t want to kick ze joos into ze sea, and started 3 wars just for the heck of it, which was the pinnacle of “sophistic shenanigans” seen on this forum.
If Arabs stop violence against Israel there will be no violence there - it’s them who are on the perpetual hate-fueled jihad against the Jews, not the other way around.
No matter how weak and pathetic they are (or pretend to be) or how loud they cry when Israel retaliates that doesn’t change the fact that they are the perpetual aggressor in that region. They just need to leave Israel alone and learn to co-exist with the Jews even if they don’t like them.
[/quote]
I did that?
Where and when?
What I claimed was that just because you can find some Arab loonies you cannot justify any base desire you might feel.
Also, it was simply fun posting a picture of Israelis literally driving Arabs into the sea.
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
[/quote]
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which(sic) was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
He quoted noone, he claimed that this is what they would like to do.
Interesting assertion, however that is not how this quote is usually used. It is usually used to decry Arab fanaticism when the term was coined by the Israeli prime minister in a speech in the Knesset.
edited[/quote]
"In 1957, ten years before the Six-Day War, Abdul Nasser said, “We are going to drive the Jews into the sea and wipe them out as a nation.”
"again in 1967 Nasser said, “We are going to grind them into the ground. We are going to push them into the sea. We’re going to wipe out Israel–no one will ever remember them again.”
ReignIB = Saying three wars is an understatement. There have been five started by the Arabs; War of Independence, Sinai War(Suez Crisis), Six Day War, War of Attrition and Yom Kippur. You could claim several more but I feel that 1st Lebanon, 2nd Lebanon etc aren’t wars as such as no conventional forces were engaged.
EDIT: The footnote for these statements cites Benny Morris. The statement has been repeated ad nauseum by Arab leaders(they obviously believe it). However, more recent statements from leaders of the Muslim world(‘hunting them down across the globe’ etc) make Nasser’s bloodcurdling ravings pale into insignificance.[/quote]
Hearsay, primary source for Nassers alleged statemenst please.
I think you will be highly motivated, given that you would be the very first to find it.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[/quote]
k, then I’ll make it simple for you if “sophistic shenanigans” are not your thing.
although I recall your bullshitting trying to prove arabs didn’t want to kick ze joos into ze sea, and started 3 wars just for the heck of it, which was the pinnacle of “sophistic shenanigans” seen on this forum.
If Arabs stop violence against Israel there will be no violence there - it’s them who are on the perpetual hate-fueled jihad against the Jews, not the other way around.
No matter how weak and pathetic they are (or pretend to be) or how loud they cry when Israel retaliates that doesn’t change the fact that they are the perpetual aggressor in that region. They just need to leave Israel alone and learn to co-exist with the Jews even if they don’t like them.
[/quote]
I did that?
Where and when?
What I claimed was that just because you can find some Arab loonies you cannot justify any base desire you might feel.
Also, it was simply fun posting a picture of Israelis literally driving Arabs into the sea.
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
[/quote]
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which(sic) was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
He quoted noone, he claimed that this is what they would like to do.
Interesting assertion, however that is not how this quote is usually used. It is usually used to decry Arab fanaticism when the term was coined by the Israeli prime minister in a speech in the Knesset.
edited[/quote]
"In 1957, ten years before the Six-Day War, Abdul Nasser said, “We are going to drive the Jews into the sea and wipe them out as a nation.”
"again in 1967 Nasser said, “We are going to grind them into the ground. We are going to push them into the sea. We’re going to wipe out Israel–no one will ever remember them again.”
ReignIB = Saying three wars is an understatement. There have been five started by the Arabs; War of Independence, Sinai War(Suez Crisis), Six Day War, War of Attrition and Yom Kippur. You could claim several more but I feel that 1st Lebanon, 2nd Lebanon etc aren’t wars as such as no conventional forces were engaged.
EDIT: The footnote for these statements cites Benny Morris. The statement has been repeated ad nauseum by Arab leaders(they obviously believe it). However, more recent statements from leaders of the Muslim world(‘hunting them down across the globe’ etc) make Nasser’s bloodcurdling ravings pale into insignificance.[/quote]
Hearsay, primary source for Nassers alleged statemenst please.
I think you will be highly motivated, given that you would be the very first to find it.
[/quote]
I admit, I cannot find the primary source. Will you admit that you quoted a load of BS from Craig Murray on international law, then tried to defend it, then claimed he was ‘head’ of the ‘department that deals with international law’(you meant the British Foreign Office) and also claimed he was a legal expert?
Also, I’m still waiting to hear about the ‘massacre’ that Sharon was ‘part of before’ the one he wasn’t part of.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”
I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?
[/quote]
Oh no, I have a problem with both, I also seem to have a problem with people who try to claim the moral high ground through sophistic shenagigans.
[/quote]
k, then I’ll make it simple for you if “sophistic shenanigans” are not your thing.
although I recall your bullshitting trying to prove arabs didn’t want to kick ze joos into ze sea, and started 3 wars just for the heck of it, which was the pinnacle of “sophistic shenanigans” seen on this forum.
If Arabs stop violence against Israel there will be no violence there - it’s them who are on the perpetual hate-fueled jihad against the Jews, not the other way around.
No matter how weak and pathetic they are (or pretend to be) or how loud they cry when Israel retaliates that doesn’t change the fact that they are the perpetual aggressor in that region. They just need to leave Israel alone and learn to co-exist with the Jews even if they don’t like them.
[/quote]
I did that?
Where and when?
What I claimed was that just because you can find some Arab loonies you cannot justify any base desire you might feel.
Also, it was simply fun posting a picture of Israelis literally driving Arabs into the sea.
“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
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“Ah, and if I also remember correctly, the “driving into the sea” is a quote from Ben Gurion which(sic) was not exactly an Arab hardliner and yet it is constantly quoted as proof of Arab bad intentions.”
He quoted noone, he claimed that this is what they would like to do.
Interesting assertion, however that is not how this quote is usually used. It is usually used to decry Arab fanaticism when the term was coined by the Israeli prime minister in a speech in the Knesset.
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"In 1957, ten years before the Six-Day War, Abdul Nasser said, “We are going to drive the Jews into the sea and wipe them out as a nation.”
"again in 1967 Nasser said, “We are going to grind them into the ground. We are going to push them into the sea. We’re going to wipe out Israel–no one will ever remember them again.”
ReignIB = Saying three wars is an understatement. There have been five started by the Arabs; War of Independence, Sinai War(Suez Crisis), Six Day War, War of Attrition and Yom Kippur. You could claim several more but I feel that 1st Lebanon, 2nd Lebanon etc aren’t wars as such as no conventional forces were engaged.
EDIT: The footnote for these statements cites Benny Morris. The statement has been repeated ad nauseum by Arab leaders(they obviously believe it). However, more recent statements from leaders of the Muslim world(‘hunting them down across the globe’ etc) make Nasser’s bloodcurdling ravings pale into insignificance.[/quote]
Hearsay, primary source for Nassers alleged statemenst please.
I think you will be highly motivated, given that you would be the very first to find it.
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I admit, I cannot find the primary source. Will you admit that you quoted a load of BS from Craig Murray on international law, then tried to defend it, then claimed he was ‘head’ of the ‘department that deals with international law’(you meant the British Foreign Office) and also claimed he was a legal expert?
Also, I’m still waiting to hear about the ‘massacre’ that Sharon was ‘part of before’ the one he wasn’t part of.[/quote]
He was their chief when it came to maritime law.
If you think that I was trying to be misleading I have done a poor job, given that I posted his biography.
Also, give how often we hear “drive the Jews into the sea” it is interesting that Nassers speech where he said that is nowhere to be found.
One would expect that an attempt to rally the Jew hating Arab masses required some publicity but apparently not so.
In related news, Ahmadinejad never denied the Holocaust, nor did he demand that Israel be wiped from the map.
What is it with jews and the number 6,000,000?
This number was first thrown around against Germany during WW1. Then, in the early 20’s, it was tacked on to the Soviet Union. And then, surprise, it comes back up against Germany during WW2.
And now here we go again with another 6,000,000 being brought up. Is 6,000,000 like catnip to dumb, Christian tools?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
You know what the real problem with this issue is? There is un-excusable slaughter of humanity happening as a result of every side giving an opinion about this, and for this reason it’s nearly impossible to find un-biased information about it.
Another problem is, people have an idea of ownership over the land and they think that their right to the land is more important than someone else’s life. I don’t understand that. If someone wanted to take my land, to the point of bloodshed, I would move or join them. It’s simply not worth it. [/quote]
Let me get this straight. We(i.e. United States and Western democracies) share equal responsibility for the FIVE unprovoked wars that were launched against Israel, the Iranian hostage crisis, the truck bombing of US Marine barracks in the Lebanon, the East Africa Embassy bombings, the world trade centre truck bombing, 9/11, the London 7/7 attacks, the Bali bombings, the Jakarta bombings, the Madrid subway bombings, the suicide bombings/rockets/rampages in Israel, the Beslan school massacre, the Mumbai attacks and the daily beheadings and torture-murders of ‘Infidels’ because we have been ‘giving an opinion about this’?
Let me try to understand your next point. If a hostile enemy wants to invade your country with the stated purpose of exterminating your ethnic group, you should hand your country over to them and somehow resettle your entire population somewhere else so nobody gets hurt?
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I am starting to dig SexMachine. I hope the poster is a hot chick.
[quote]Odogg wrote:
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Another problem is, people have an idea of ownership over the land and they think that their right to the land is more important than someone else’s life. I don’t understand that. If someone wanted to take my land, to the point of bloodshed, I would move or join them. It’s simply not worth it. [/quote]
Some people are willing to die to protect what they have worked for.
If I wanted to make you my slave for 25 hours a week, for the next 20 years, and I was willing to be extremely violent about it, would you fight? What if I was a kind master and just made you work in my fields for those 25 hours?
I invested 25 hours a week, for the last 20 years, in mortgage payments on my home. And if somebody takes that, I have worked all those years for nothing. If it was my fault, then I might be able to stomach the loss. Otherwise…
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Uhh, so the palestinian farmers and others who farmed the land Israel took after WWII don’t count? I just don’t understand why the indigenous people of that land had to pay the price for white european guilt. Those people are still pissed off and the Arab leaders fan the flames to make it a political issue.
/sarcasm on
Its hard work to pull off that colonial sh*t these days, you know with TV, newspapers, internet and such.
/sarcasm off
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They sold the land to Israel. It was not stolen.
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[quote]Oleena wrote:
So you admit that there’s a pro-Israeli lobby in American but not that they might edit stories to be pro-Israel?[/quote]
^^^These made up numbers indicate that you don’t actually know how many stories are being edited from either side.
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Did you see the link showing how Reuters cropped(i.e. edited out) a knife and a pool of blood from photos of one of the Israeli commandos on the ‘peace flotilla’? It’s called ‘liberal media bias’ and there’s a shitload more of it than conservative bias.[/quote]
Again, nothing you’ve said is convincing of the fact that you actually know that there’s a lot more of it. Also, right now, you are using that old trick we talked about in the open-mindedness thread. You realize that most of the people on here who identify themselves as conservative are your biggest supporters. However, neither being liberal nor conservative in political ideal has anything to do with this. So please stop grouping to appeal to the conservatives (you’re painting any coverage of the war that shows Israel as killing as liberal. That’s ridiculous.)
Lastly, why do you think there’s a lot more bias against Israel than for in the media? Nothing I’ve seen on TV or over the internet agrees with that. No one I’ve talked to, many of whom are very “liberal” think that Israel has even occupied Palestine, much less think that they might have killed anyone.
Truthfully, I haven’t seen one TV portrayal of the conflict that portrayed Israel as anything but victims. Where is this negative media you speak of?