The Case Against Israel's Enemies

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I believe these people are really into hating and fighting each other more than they want peace. Yes, I agree, if peace was so important to them, they would move to a peaceful place.

If peace is less important to them, say in the realm of ‘lip service’, they will stay and hate and fight and complain about being victims.[/quote]

  1. The Israelis aren’t ‘hating and fighting’ the Palestinians. They are APPEASING them and handing over land in an attempt to get them to stop wanting to exterminate them. Any right thinking person would’ve realised this after Oslo if they didn’t know it already.

  2. The leader of the Shiite Muslim world Ahmadinejad has stated on record that he hopes the Jews stay in Israel so ‘we won’t have to track them down across the globe’.

  3. Are you seriously suggesting that 5 Million+ Jews, whose ancestors fought, died in and won FIVE wars against the Arab invaders since the holocaust(which the Arabs were complicit in), should move to some unspecified ‘peaceful place’? And that the Palestinians should do the same?

Perhaps the Jews could move to the North Pole(if Russia lets them) and the Palestinians to the South Pole. They should all agree to leave at once and anyone who disagrees or is too elderly/sick to travel could be shot. Is this a good plan? Or are we going to rely on the honour system?[/quote]

  1. Semantics
  2. Shocking (yawn)
  3. If they REALLY want a peaceful life, YES! move to a peaceful place.
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Spain[/quote]

They can kiss my ass.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I believe these people are really into hating and fighting each other more than they want peace. Yes, I agree, if peace was so important to them, they would move to a peaceful place.

If peace is less important to them, say in the realm of ‘lip service’, they will stay and hate and fight and complain about being victims.[/quote]

  1. The Israelis aren’t ‘hating and fighting’ the Palestinians. They are APPEASING them and handing over land in an attempt to get them to stop wanting to exterminate them. Any right thinking person would’ve realised this after Oslo if they didn’t know it already.

  2. The leader of the Shiite Muslim world Ahmadinejad has stated on record that he hopes the Jews stay in Israel so ‘we won’t have to track them down across the globe’.

  3. Are you seriously suggesting that 5 Million+ Jews, whose ancestors fought, died in and won FIVE wars against the Arab invaders since the holocaust(which the Arabs were complicit in), should move to some unspecified ‘peaceful place’? And that the Palestinians should do the same?

Perhaps the Jews could move to the North Pole(if Russia lets them) and the Palestinians to the South Pole. They should all agree to leave at once and anyone who disagrees or is too elderly/sick to travel could be shot. Is this a good plan? Or are we going to rely on the honour system?[/quote]

  1. Semantics

  2. Shocking (yawn)

  3. If they REALLY want a peaceful life, YES! move to a peaceful place. [/quote]

  4. No, delusional moral inversion on your part.

  5. Yes, but meant as an example of why moving millions of people to some unspecified place (that they wouldn’t be allowed to move to because they don’t hold citizenship for one thing) is not only idiotic/completely impractical/dishonorable but would not work anyway.

  6. You idiot.

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Oleena said: “if you claim that one side is at all justified in their murder of innocents because you see very few innocents as being a part of the group you are killing (when the numbers don’t agree with you”

  • Can you please provide me with a source for Israelis(presumably including the Druze and Muslim Arabs who serve loyaly in the IDF) ‘murdering’ innocents in the last half a century? Just one source that has not been disproved already please.

When the Palestinians began to use suicide bombers in the early 1990’s there was an incident involving Baruch Goldstein that has been referred to as the ‘Cave of the Patriachs Massacre’. Please consider these facts:

  1. All the witnesses were Palestinains who actually lynched Goldstein AFTER disarming him then went on a rampage which resulted in the murder of another nine Jews. This rampage was committed by the Arabs from the Cave of Patriarchs. None of the Arabs who murdered Goldstein were ever charged even though they were known to authorities.

  2. In light of what is now known about the Palestinian population’s involvement in staging large-scale fake attacks the credibility of the Palestinian witnesses should be queried. It seems overwhelmingly probable that Goldstein, a Jew alone in a mosque was attacked and attempted to defended himself.

  3. Goldstein’s commander and friends described him as a ‘kind, caring man’ who treated Jews and non-Jews alike.

So, please provide me with a SINGLE instance of Israelis ‘murdering’ a Palestinian in the last 50 years. You may find one if you look hard enough. I doubt it though.

BTW Why are you spreading blood libels against Jews by claiming they ‘murder’ innocent Palestinians? Also, the numbers DO agree with Israel. Someone else has already taken a lot of time to prove this to you on another thread started by Jewbacca.

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Go find the journal entry i posted from the War Diary, which, if you question, you can look up. Sexmachine, to tell you the truth i’m getting my informtation out of college textbooks. This is what history books, recently written, say about it. However, i don’t think you’re going to admit that your sources MIGHT be biased. You can look up Isreal’s attack on lebanon for a host of videos of killing of innocents.

The fact that you’re denying that Israel has killed innocents and has fault, read sourced that are not common and thus likely biased, indicates that you’re not willing to try to look at this from an objective standpoint. Most telling is the fact that when i say "everyone should be held responsible you automatically assume that i’m against Jews.

If one side is painted as completely innocent, there is probably a bad source somewhere regarding any war in the history of humanity.

Also, i cant believe you denied that world war one put Germany in a terrible financial situation. Every source, textbook and otherwise, that I’ve seen on it will tell you that. It’s beyond well documented that Germany accepted the blame and the debt for WWI.

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Why do you think that because I point out Israel has killed innocents, I’m against them? America has made mistakes and killed innocents and Americans will be the first to tell you that. I’m certainly not against America.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
Go find the journal entry i posted from the War Diary, which, if you question, you can look up. Sexmachine, to tell you the truth i’m getting my informtation out of college textbooks. This is what history books, recently written, say about it. However, i don’t think you’re going to admit that your sources MIGHT be biased. You can look up Isreal’s attack on lebanon for a host of videos of killing of innocents.

The fact that you’re denying that Israel has killed innocents and has fault, read sourced that are not common and thus likely biased, indicates that you’re not willing to try to look at this from an objective standpoint. Most telling is the fact that when i say "everyone should be held responsible you automatically assume that i’m against Jews.

If one side is painted as completely innocent, there is probably a bad source somewhere regarding any war in the history of humanity.

Also, i cant believe you denied that world war one put Germany in a terrible financial situation. Every source, textbook and otherwise, that I’ve seen on it will tell you that. It’s beyond well documented that Germany accepted the blame and the debt for WWI.[/quote]

  1. I didn’t deny WWI put Germany in a terrible financial state. I asserted that it DID twice. Clearly you don’t know what the Versailles treaty is or how it was related to the ‘terrible financial state’ of Germany after WWI. Check your College text books.

  2. You are now being dishonest. You used the word ‘murder’ innocents not ‘kill’ innocents. Two completely different things and the difference between the two is what is so important when making comparisons. Jews don’t ‘murder’ Palestinian innocents, ever period. Palestinians ‘murder’ innocent Jews daily. This is a moral distinction you seem unable to grasp.

  3. I don’t think you’re against Jews. I think you’re an extremely naive person who has spent a lifetime absorbing crap from the liberal media and revisionist historians. Regarding your ‘college text books’, see book by David Horowitz ‘101 Most Dangerous Academics in America’. The humanities departments of virtually every university in America are teaching revisionist history.

  4. If you’re really interested in the subject read Benny Morris. He is quoted by the left and the right and is generally regarded as the most authoritative source on Israeli history.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Oleena said: “if you claim that one side is at all justified in their murder of innocents because you see very few innocents as being a part of the group you are killing (when the numbers don’t agree with you”

  • Can you please provide me with a source for Israelis(presumably including the Druze and Muslim Arabs who serve loyaly in the IDF) ‘murdering’ innocents in the last half a century? Just one source that has not been disproved already please.

[/quote]
One source?

There are plenty, but I am not in the mood to look it up right now.

Googling Sharon and massacre should do the trick, that man had quite the history.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

  1. You are now being dishonest. You used the word ‘murder’ innocents not ‘kill’ innocents. Two completely different things and the difference between the two is what is so important when making comparisons. Jews don’t ‘murder’ Palestinian innocents, ever period. Palestinians ‘murder’ innocent Jews daily. This is a moral distinction you seem unable to grasp.
    [/quote]

Laughable.

Just by calling something a war all human decency goes out of the window?

I am more concerned about your ability to make that distinction, it should take more than sophistry to justify taking a human life.

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[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:
Nobody cares what goes on out there, be it in Africa or Asia. Nobody would care what goes on in Israel either if jews did not exercise disproportionate power, making people think that the sandbox of Israel encompasses more humanity and land than Europe combined. The jews have a large voice and they voice it a lot. Their actions affect the lives of europeans and americans. The actions of the sudanese etc. have no significance. I don’t see any evidence of Israel caring for those tragedies. It’s just diversion. Sometimes jews may seem to care about the problems of foreign nations, but it tends to do with weakening the whites (if any) of those nations so that they can take over and destroy their competition, like when South Africa was painted as ‘evil’ and was actually thriving.
[/quote]

YOu don’t see much at all, perhaps because yoou’re too busy winking at phantoms. “weakening the whites, huh”? Nice Nazi terminolgy here I must say.

AS for the Sudanese, many Sudanes, Somalis etc actually have fled to Israel. The Israeli soldiers go into the desert to bring them safely to the cities, unlike the Egyptians who actively try vto stop them entering Egypt. Unfotuntely the illegal entry of Sudanese/Somali refugees to Israel has greatly increased the rape and murder rate in Israel by these Muslims.
Yeah, Muslims seeking refuge in Israel instead of their brother countries - amazing isn’t it?

meanwhile, Alffffi, you can spend your valuable tyime looking very closely at why you, unlike Jews, are so retarded. [/quote]
So I see you’re racist too, as you acknowledge that the africans will rape when given the chance. Even if they were not muslim, they would rape just the same as american blacks prove every day. Although islam does not help.

And I’m in no way blaming EVERYTHING on jews, it’s just that this thread IS about jews that’s all. Whites need to look in the mirror and ask how they got played this much.

Anyway, I’m sure Israel will help them to some extent if only for the PR but Israel does not go out of its way to saturate itself with them (non-white refugees) and would even like to ban any interracial dating as it would weaken jews.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Oleena said: “if you claim that one side is at all justified in their murder of innocents because you see very few innocents as being a part of the group you are killing (when the numbers don’t agree with you”

  • Can you please provide me with a source for Israelis(presumably including the Druze and Muslim Arabs who serve loyaly in the IDF) ‘murdering’ innocents in the last half a century? Just one source that has not been disproved already please.

[/quote]
One source?

There are plenty, but I am not in the mood to look it up right now.

Googling Sharon and massacre should do the trick, that man had quite the history.

[/quote]

Sharon never ‘murdered’ anyone. The Sabra and Shatila massacre was committed by Lebanese phalangists. He was criticised for his failure to prevent Lebanese killing other Lebanese you fool.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I believe these people are really into hating and fighting each other more than they want peace. Yes, I agree, if peace was so important to them, they would move to a peaceful place.

If peace is less important to them, say in the realm of ‘lip service’, they will stay and hate and fight and complain about being victims.[/quote]

  1. The Israelis aren’t ‘hating and fighting’ the Palestinians. They are APPEASING them and handing over land in an attempt to get them to stop wanting to exterminate them. Any right thinking person would’ve realised this after Oslo if they didn’t know it already.

  2. The leader of the Shiite Muslim world Ahmadinejad has stated on record that he hopes the Jews stay in Israel so ‘we won’t have to track them down across the globe’.

  3. Are you seriously suggesting that 5 Million+ Jews, whose ancestors fought, died in and won FIVE wars against the Arab invaders since the holocaust(which the Arabs were complicit in), should move to some unspecified ‘peaceful place’? And that the Palestinians should do the same?

Perhaps the Jews could move to the North Pole(if Russia lets them) and the Palestinians to the South Pole. They should all agree to leave at once and anyone who disagrees or is too elderly/sick to travel could be shot. Is this a good plan? Or are we going to rely on the honour system?[/quote]

  1. Semantics

  2. Shocking (yawn)

  3. If they REALLY want a peaceful life, YES! move to a peaceful place. [/quote]

  4. No, delusional moral inversion on your part.

  5. Yes, but meant as an example of why moving millions of people to some unspecified place (that they wouldn’t be allowed to move to because they don’t hold citizenship for one thing) is not only idiotic/completely impractical/dishonorable but would not work anyway.

  6. You idiot.[/quote]

Really? Has no one ever left Israel for a more peaceful life?

Like a said before, if one REALLY REALLY wants peace, they will put themselves in a peaceful place and that means moving if necessary.

If one is in an unpeaceful place and unable to create peace in situ, but not willing to move, then they are wanting ‘something else’ more than peace. That’s all I’m saying. It’s not complicated. To deny that there is ‘something else’ more important than peace is a lie.
It may be right or wrong that Israelis use weapons, but don’t pretend ALL YOU WANT IS PEACE, cuz it ain’t happening and most everyone can see through it. (BTW, it can be perfectly acceptable to want ‘something else’)

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I believe these people are really into hating and fighting each other more than they want peace. Yes, I agree, if peace was so important to them, they would move to a peaceful place.

If peace is less important to them, say in the realm of ‘lip service’, they will stay and hate and fight and complain about being victims.[/quote]

  1. The Israelis aren’t ‘hating and fighting’ the Palestinians. They are APPEASING them and handing over land in an attempt to get them to stop wanting to exterminate them. Any right thinking person would’ve realised this after Oslo if they didn’t know it already.

  2. The leader of the Shiite Muslim world Ahmadinejad has stated on record that he hopes the Jews stay in Israel so ‘we won’t have to track them down across the globe’.

  3. Are you seriously suggesting that 5 Million+ Jews, whose ancestors fought, died in and won FIVE wars against the Arab invaders since the holocaust(which the Arabs were complicit in), should move to some unspecified ‘peaceful place’? And that the Palestinians should do the same?

Perhaps the Jews could move to the North Pole(if Russia lets them) and the Palestinians to the South Pole. They should all agree to leave at once and anyone who disagrees or is too elderly/sick to travel could be shot. Is this a good plan? Or are we going to rely on the honour system?[/quote]

  1. Semantics

  2. Shocking (yawn)

  3. If they REALLY want a peaceful life, YES! move to a peaceful place. [/quote]

  4. No, delusional moral inversion on your part.

  5. Yes, but meant as an example of why moving millions of people to some unspecified place (that they wouldn’t be allowed to move to because they don’t hold citizenship for one thing) is not only idiotic/completely impractical/dishonorable but would not work anyway.

  6. You idiot.[/quote]

Really? Has no one ever left Israel for a more peaceful life?

Like a said before, if one REALLY REALLY wants peace, they will put themselves in a peaceful place and that means moving if necessary.

If one is in an unpeaceful place and unable to create peace in situ, but not willing to move, then they are wanting ‘something else’ more than peace. That’s all I’m saying. It’s not complicated. To deny that there is ‘something else’ more important than peace is a lie.
It may be right or wrong that Israelis use weapons, but don’t pretend ALL YOU WANT IS PEACE, cuz it ain’t happening and most everyone can see through it. (BTW, it can be perfectly acceptable to want ‘something else’)[/quote]

“don’t pretend ALL YOU WANT IS PEACE”

  • I don’t. But it’s not up to me. I don’t live in Israel and I’m not Jewish. If I did I’d join the IDF and shoot the bastards by the bushel.
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Oleena said: “if you claim that one side is at all justified in their murder of innocents because you see very few innocents as being a part of the group you are killing (when the numbers don’t agree with you”

  • Can you please provide me with a source for Israelis(presumably including the Druze and Muslim Arabs who serve loyaly in the IDF) ‘murdering’ innocents in the last half a century? Just one source that has not been disproved already please.

[/quote]
One source?

There are plenty, but I am not in the mood to look it up right now.

Googling Sharon and massacre should do the trick, that man had quite the history.

[/quote]

Sharon never ‘murdered’ anyone. The Sabra and Shatila massacre was committed by Lebanese phalangists. He was criticised for his failure to prevent Lebanese killing other Lebanese you fool.[/quote]

Well first of all he was part of a massacre before that, you fool (sic), but I guess your google is broken.

Second, he was accused of putting those massacred into camps, bussing teh Christian militia in, illuminating the area so that they could slaughter to their hearts delight, not doing a thing to stop it and then trying to cover it up.

All in the course of a military adventure that made all of this even possible.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I believe these people are really into hating and fighting each other more than they want peace. Yes, I agree, if peace was so important to them, they would move to a peaceful place.

If peace is less important to them, say in the realm of ‘lip service’, they will stay and hate and fight and complain about being victims.[/quote]

  1. The Israelis aren’t ‘hating and fighting’ the Palestinians. They are APPEASING them and handing over land in an attempt to get them to stop wanting to exterminate them. Any right thinking person would’ve realised this after Oslo if they didn’t know it already.

  2. The leader of the Shiite Muslim world Ahmadinejad has stated on record that he hopes the Jews stay in Israel so ‘we won’t have to track them down across the globe’.

  3. Are you seriously suggesting that 5 Million+ Jews, whose ancestors fought, died in and won FIVE wars against the Arab invaders since the holocaust(which the Arabs were complicit in), should move to some unspecified ‘peaceful place’? And that the Palestinians should do the same?

Perhaps the Jews could move to the North Pole(if Russia lets them) and the Palestinians to the South Pole. They should all agree to leave at once and anyone who disagrees or is too elderly/sick to travel could be shot. Is this a good plan? Or are we going to rely on the honour system?[/quote]

  1. Semantics

  2. Shocking (yawn)

  3. If they REALLY want a peaceful life, YES! move to a peaceful place. [/quote]

  4. No, delusional moral inversion on your part.

  5. Yes, but meant as an example of why moving millions of people to some unspecified place (that they wouldn’t be allowed to move to because they don’t hold citizenship for one thing) is not only idiotic/completely impractical/dishonorable but would not work anyway.

  6. You idiot.[/quote]

Really? Has no one ever left Israel for a more peaceful life?

Like a said before, if one REALLY REALLY wants peace, they will put themselves in a peaceful place and that means moving if necessary.

If one is in an unpeaceful place and unable to create peace in situ, but not willing to move, then they are wanting ‘something else’ more than peace. That’s all I’m saying. It’s not complicated. To deny that there is ‘something else’ more important than peace is a lie.
It may be right or wrong that Israelis use weapons, but don’t pretend ALL YOU WANT IS PEACE, cuz it ain’t happening and most everyone can see through it. (BTW, it can be perfectly acceptable to want ‘something else’)[/quote]

“don’t pretend ALL YOU WANT IS PEACE”

  • I don’t. But it’s not up to me. I don’t live in Israel and I’m not Jewish. If I did I’d join the IDF and shoot the bastards by the bushel.[/quote]

Yeah well, and they would blow up your friends and relatives by the busload.

But of course, your killing would be morally superior, after all you would have a a uniform and a government license.

Maybe you would even get shiny badges and colorful ribbons, imagine that!

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Oleena said: “if you claim that one side is at all justified in their murder of innocents because you see very few innocents as being a part of the group you are killing (when the numbers don’t agree with you”

  • Can you please provide me with a source for Israelis(presumably including the Druze and Muslim Arabs who serve loyaly in the IDF) ‘murdering’ innocents in the last half a century? Just one source that has not been disproved already please.

[/quote]
One source?

There are plenty, but I am not in the mood to look it up right now.

Googling Sharon and massacre should do the trick, that man had quite the history.

[/quote]

Sharon never ‘murdered’ anyone. The Sabra and Shatila massacre was committed by Lebanese phalangists. He was criticised for his failure to prevent Lebanese killing other Lebanese you fool.[/quote]

Well first of all he was part of a massacre before that, you fool (sic), but I guess your google is broken.

Second, he was accused of putting those massacred into camps, bussing teh Christian militia in, illuminating the area so that they could slaughter to their hearts delight, not doing a thing to stop it and then trying to cover it up.

All in the course of a military adventure that made all of this even possible.

[/quote]

  1. Why are you adding ‘(sic)’ to your own statement?

  2. He was also accused of shooting two Arab babies but that was Pallywood bullshit too.

  3. What ‘massacre’ was he ‘part of’ before the incident in which he was accused of failing to prevent Lebanese from killing other Lebanese?

For other posters interested in the truth about the Lebanese phalangist massacre of Lebanese Muslims see ‘Blood libel: The inside story of General Ariel Sharon’s history-making suit against Time magazine’ by Uri Dan.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I believe these people are really into hating and fighting each other more than they want peace. Yes, I agree, if peace was so important to them, they would move to a peaceful place.

If peace is less important to them, say in the realm of ‘lip service’, they will stay and hate and fight and complain about being victims.[/quote]

  1. The Israelis aren’t ‘hating and fighting’ the Palestinians. They are APPEASING them and handing over land in an attempt to get them to stop wanting to exterminate them. Any right thinking person would’ve realised this after Oslo if they didn’t know it already.

  2. The leader of the Shiite Muslim world Ahmadinejad has stated on record that he hopes the Jews stay in Israel so ‘we won’t have to track them down across the globe’.

  3. Are you seriously suggesting that 5 Million+ Jews, whose ancestors fought, died in and won FIVE wars against the Arab invaders since the holocaust(which the Arabs were complicit in), should move to some unspecified ‘peaceful place’? And that the Palestinians should do the same?

Perhaps the Jews could move to the North Pole(if Russia lets them) and the Palestinians to the South Pole. They should all agree to leave at once and anyone who disagrees or is too elderly/sick to travel could be shot. Is this a good plan? Or are we going to rely on the honour system?[/quote]

  1. Semantics

  2. Shocking (yawn)

  3. If they REALLY want a peaceful life, YES! move to a peaceful place. [/quote]

  4. No, delusional moral inversion on your part.

  5. Yes, but meant as an example of why moving millions of people to some unspecified place (that they wouldn’t be allowed to move to because they don’t hold citizenship for one thing) is not only idiotic/completely impractical/dishonorable but would not work anyway.

  6. You idiot.[/quote]

Really? Has no one ever left Israel for a more peaceful life?

Like a said before, if one REALLY REALLY wants peace, they will put themselves in a peaceful place and that means moving if necessary.

If one is in an unpeaceful place and unable to create peace in situ, but not willing to move, then they are wanting ‘something else’ more than peace. That’s all I’m saying. It’s not complicated. To deny that there is ‘something else’ more important than peace is a lie.
It may be right or wrong that Israelis use weapons, but don’t pretend ALL YOU WANT IS PEACE, cuz it ain’t happening and most everyone can see through it. (BTW, it can be perfectly acceptable to want ‘something else’)[/quote]

“don’t pretend ALL YOU WANT IS PEACE”

  • I don’t. But it’s not up to me. I don’t live in Israel and I’m not Jewish. If I did I’d join the IDF and shoot the bastards by the bushel.[/quote]

Yeah well, and they would blow up your friends and relatives by the busload.

But of course, your killing would be morally superior, after all you would have a a uniform and a government license.

Maybe you would even get shiny badges and colorful ribbons, imagine that!

[/quote]

“they would blow up your friends and relatives by the busload”

  • They already blow up people by the busload due to their ethnicity. They blew up a school bus with a guided missile last week you sick fuck. I was talking about killing terrorists NOT peoples’ ‘friends and relatives’.
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Oleena said: “if you claim that one side is at all justified in their murder of innocents because you see very few innocents as being a part of the group you are killing (when the numbers don’t agree with you”

  • Can you please provide me with a source for Israelis(presumably including the Druze and Muslim Arabs who serve loyaly in the IDF) ‘murdering’ innocents in the last half a century? Just one source that has not been disproved already please.

[/quote]
One source?

There are plenty, but I am not in the mood to look it up right now.

Googling Sharon and massacre should do the trick, that man had quite the history.

[/quote]

Sharon never ‘murdered’ anyone. The Sabra and Shatila massacre was committed by Lebanese phalangists. He was criticised for his failure to prevent Lebanese killing other Lebanese you fool.[/quote]

Well first of all he was part of a massacre before that, you fool (sic), but I guess your google is broken.

Second, he was accused of putting those massacred into camps, bussing teh Christian militia in, illuminating the area so that they could slaughter to their hearts delight, not doing a thing to stop it and then trying to cover it up.

All in the course of a military adventure that made all of this even possible.

[/quote]

  1. Why are you adding ‘(sic)’ to your own statement?

  2. He was also accused of shooting two Arab babies but that was Pallywood bullshit too.

  3. What ‘massacre’ was he ‘part of’ before the incident in which he was accused of failing to prevent Lebanese from killing other Lebanese?

For other posters interested in the truth about the Lebanese phalangist massacre of Lebanese Muslims see ‘Blood libel: The inside story of General Ariel Sharon’s history-making suit against Time magazine’ by Uri Dan.[/quote]

Yeah, that blood libel BS was tried at that time, unfortunately the 300000 Israelis that took to the streets were not content with that answer.

Nor shoudl they have been, because there was a Israeli commission to look into it and I just reported their findings.

So what have we learned?

Not only did it pretty much happen the way I described it, there also seem to be Israelis who are do not shy away from calling critics antisemites when it helps to cover up their crimes.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I believe these people are really into hating and fighting each other more than they want peace. Yes, I agree, if peace was so important to them, they would move to a peaceful place.

If peace is less important to them, say in the realm of ‘lip service’, they will stay and hate and fight and complain about being victims.[/quote]

  1. The Israelis aren’t ‘hating and fighting’ the Palestinians. They are APPEASING them and handing over land in an attempt to get them to stop wanting to exterminate them. Any right thinking person would’ve realised this after Oslo if they didn’t know it already.

  2. The leader of the Shiite Muslim world Ahmadinejad has stated on record that he hopes the Jews stay in Israel so ‘we won’t have to track them down across the globe’.

  3. Are you seriously suggesting that 5 Million+ Jews, whose ancestors fought, died in and won FIVE wars against the Arab invaders since the holocaust(which the Arabs were complicit in), should move to some unspecified ‘peaceful place’? And that the Palestinians should do the same?

Perhaps the Jews could move to the North Pole(if Russia lets them) and the Palestinians to the South Pole. They should all agree to leave at once and anyone who disagrees or is too elderly/sick to travel could be shot. Is this a good plan? Or are we going to rely on the honour system?[/quote]

  1. Semantics

  2. Shocking (yawn)

  3. If they REALLY want a peaceful life, YES! move to a peaceful place. [/quote]

  4. No, delusional moral inversion on your part.

  5. Yes, but meant as an example of why moving millions of people to some unspecified place (that they wouldn’t be allowed to move to because they don’t hold citizenship for one thing) is not only idiotic/completely impractical/dishonorable but would not work anyway.

  6. You idiot.[/quote]

Really? Has no one ever left Israel for a more peaceful life?

Like a said before, if one REALLY REALLY wants peace, they will put themselves in a peaceful place and that means moving if necessary.

If one is in an unpeaceful place and unable to create peace in situ, but not willing to move, then they are wanting ‘something else’ more than peace. That’s all I’m saying. It’s not complicated. To deny that there is ‘something else’ more important than peace is a lie.
It may be right or wrong that Israelis use weapons, but don’t pretend ALL YOU WANT IS PEACE, cuz it ain’t happening and most everyone can see through it. (BTW, it can be perfectly acceptable to want ‘something else’)[/quote]

“don’t pretend ALL YOU WANT IS PEACE”

  • I don’t. But it’s not up to me. I don’t live in Israel and I’m not Jewish. If I did I’d join the IDF and shoot the bastards by the bushel.[/quote]

Yeah well, and they would blow up your friends and relatives by the busload.

But of course, your killing would be morally superior, after all you would have a a uniform and a government license.

Maybe you would even get shiny badges and colorful ribbons, imagine that!

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“they would blow up your friends and relatives by the busload”

  • They already blow up people by the busload due to their ethnicity. They blew up a school bus with a guided missile last week you sick fuck. I was talking about killing terrorists NOT peoples’ ‘friends and relatives’.[/quote]

Well you ignorant fool, they only do it in the course of a military struggle, that makes it perfectly okay.

Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.

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“Lets just call it a war effort and you should be perfectly fine with it.”

I’ll jump in here if you don’t mind lol.
If this is a “war effort” carried out by “palestinan” Arabs than surely you’d have no issue with Israeli military leveling “palestine” in retaliation, right ?