@Legalsteel thanks for the quick brief. As mentioned up thread you’ve given me the best reason I’ve heard for brexit and it seems like this hits the point for you. I wonder if its in line with the majority of pro brexit voters. I know that’s a guess as we never knew why brexit was voted for, nor was a good brexit ever defined.
My biggest concern now is whether this gets brought up at Xmas dinner, and how the atmosphere at the table is I’m happy to talk about it but I’m not sure others will be. And they voted to leave.
It does appear so. I’m cautiously optimistic about it.
Farage seems to be on side, so fingers crossed we don’t have wild shouts of BrINO coming down the track.
Well, I’m reasonably happy with it, and my remainer family aren’t apoplectic. Maybe we’ve turned the corner on this particular portion of the culture war.
Gove is on unusually good form here. Though I’ll take anyone giving the SNP a kick in the stones, lord knows they earn it every time I have to hear Ian Blackford talk.
Thanks I put it in Coronavirus thread. Yet again Boris has left things to the last minute so there’s only one choice left. We’ve known about the spread of the new strain for months. We’ve seen it increase exponentially. Now we’re here, back to schools being closed and no one traveling.
This is one of the most infuriating aspects of politicians I can think of. Almost universally they ignore a manageable problem, hoping it will “magically disappear”, until there is no way to ignore it and almost no way to fix it.
It’s well documented with Boris. If he leaves it long enough the choice is almost binary; something bad or something much worse. He then talks about the situation as him making the right choice for the people. Our lockdowns could have been much shorter, and the planning time for brexit much longer, he’s causing a lot of damage.
I guess my point is that you get what you vote for and that we shouldn’t be surprised when Boris Johnson acts in the exact way we always knew he would.
Completely agree dagill, he’s acting in the same way he always did. In my mind bojo v Corbyn had no winners for the UK.
I’m baffled when people voted for him because they’re expecting him to deliver on his promises. Or, when people voted brexit on what bojo, farage or gove said. How can you trust any of them. I appreciate many voted for their own reasons and they’ve been highlighted on this chat.
I also don’t understand why old guard labour voters thought that voting for brexit wouldn’t put bojo in power.
Btw @dagill2 I thought your comment that drinking borrows joy from the next day is great and I’m taking it as my own. Knowledge management
I wasn’t really aware that BoJo made any promises to be honest, the campaign seemed to be entirely based on not being Jeremy Corbin with a healthy side of the typical “Rule Britannia something something, White Cliffs of Dover, something something, Churchill” crap that Daily Mail readers still get a hard on over.
Just to clarify though: if I’d had to vote, I would have voted against Jeremy Corbin too, so I don’t blame anyone for making that choice, I just get baffled when people expect some level of competence from the BoJos, Goves or Hunts of this world.
I’ve already plagiarised it anyway, from someone far smarter than myself, so feel free to steal it. I’m not sure who said it originally so just credit it to Oscar Wilde, as is traditional.
It’s a great deal for the EU because it covers trade in goods. It’s a terrible deal for the UK because it doesn’t cover trade in services.
In terms of control of borders, France proved that you don’t need Brexit when they unilaterally closed the ports after Bojo’s “mutant virus” panic.
In terms of immigration, it means that there will be less white, Christian immigrants from Europe and more non-white, Muslim/other immigrants from Commonwealth nations such as India. (Not sure that’s quite what Farage and his fascists were trying to achieve in terms of racial purity.)
In terms of the NHS, it means a lot of the European nurses and doctors will leave or just not come in the first place. It won’t result in an extra £350-million a week.
In terms of trade negotiations with the US, China and other nations, it means the UK now negotiates with the clout of a 65-million people nation instead of the clout of the world’s largest single trading bloc. Also, the break-up of the UK now seems pretty much inevitable given there is now a de facto border in the Irish Sea and the Scots are livid.
In terms of how prominent Brexiteers such as billionaire Jim Ratcliffe immediately moved his business (Land Rover) from the UK to Europe, and Jacob Rees-Mogg moved his company from the UK to Dublin, it means it’s now clearly better for any international business to move from the UK to the EU (the big banks are moving vast quantities of assets and staff from London to Frankfurt). This means far less tax receipts for the UK, and the loss of tens of thousands of very high-paying jobs relocating to the EU.
It is a spectacularly disastrous deal for the UK which is far, far worse than the one Theresa May brought to Parliament in 2018.
Both the UK and the EU are big losers from Brexit.
Thanks @dagill2 I think we’re probably very near the same place on this.
@Polar-Bear cheers for your post. The points you raised is why I was against brexit and I find it absolutely damning that pro brexiters are moving business. It’s also damning of their character but I didn’t have much respect for the likes of rees-mogg. I hope we are wrong.
@Polar-Bear@tails1 I agree wholeheartedly for the record, which probably makes me a traitor or not British or something. Either way, the deal is done so now we can get on with blaming all future woes on Coronavirus and pretending Brexit was a success.
I’m happy to talk about it but I’m not sure others will be. And they voted to leave.
