The Body Weight Factor

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

For a SEDENTARY person, it is very easy to simply look at very blatant objective factors like height, weight and age. You can NOT simply use those criteria when dealing with someone with an all out goal of literally adding another 100lbs of body weight with most of it being muscle.

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DUH! Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Who the fuck here is even talking about sedentary people?!

And anyone with half a brain understands life stressors play a role in how the body performs responds and to training and eating and recovering!

Hence the entire basis for sports and bodybuilding nutrition!

Again, do you really think anyone here is talking about nutrition for sedentary people? And no nutritionist or dietitian–any healthcare professional–in good practice even promotes sedentary lifestyle!

Seriously, I want to be civil, but you’re literally coming to the point of insulting people’s intelligence.

Maybe I should ask again, WHO THE HELL HERE IS TALKING ABOUT SEDENTARY PEOPLE?! We’re on a damn fitness and bodybuilding site? Are you dense?!

And a noon is someone who doesn’t want to be sedentary any longer! Hence why we predict what is activity level will be when he starts living and write a diet accordingly!

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

For a SEDENTARY person, it is very easy to simply look at very blatant objective factors like height, weight and age. You can NOT simply use those criteria when dealing with someone with an all out goal of literally adding another 100lbs of body weight with most of it being muscle.

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DUH! Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Who the fuck here is even talking about sedentary people?!
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Whoah. What is with the insults and the anger? That is bit much on the emotional side and very condescending of you.

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And anyone with half a brain understands life stressors play a role in how the body performs responds and to training and eating and recovering!

Hence the entire basis for sports and bodybuilding nutrition.

Again, do you really think anyone here is talking about nutrition for sedentary people. And no nutritionist or dietitian–any healthcare professional–in good practice even promotes sedentary lifestyle! [/quote]

Sir, you laid out some specific template of foods to eat for a newb based off of only objective factors like age and weight… while acting like my stance of understanding that newb first and what they have done and believe, along with what results they have seen to now, before making radical changes was ludicrous.

That would imply a resistance to looking at that aspect of things.

You were not disrespected at all…so why disrespect me?

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Oh, I see you added the wanting to be civil part later.

Funny that you literally paper this forum with posts acting like my responses are simply so insulting…yet here you are doing worse?

The hypocrisy here is waist deep.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Oh, I see you added the wanting to be civil part later.

Funny that you literally paper this forum with posts acting like my responses are simply so insulting…yet here you are doing worse?

The hypocrisy here is waist deep.[/quote]

Yup, I did! Because I want to be civil. It is you who has resorted to incoherency and insults.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Oh, I see you added the wanting to be civil part later.

Funny that you literally paper this forum with posts acting like my responses are simply so insulting…yet here you are doing worse?

The hypocrisy here is waist deep.[/quote]

Yup, I did! Because I want to be civil. It is you who has resorted to incoherency and insults. [/quote]

I have not insulted you. You insulted me.

If you want to be civil, then be civil. No one made you type like that.

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Oh really, I’m doing worse by using the “F-word” when you do far worse.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Oh really, I’m doing worse by using the “F-word” when you do far worse. [/quote]

where???

This thread is a discussion. You just brought in the insults. YOU are bringing down the discussion.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Oh, I see you added the wanting to be civil part later.

Funny that you literally paper this forum with posts acting like my responses are simply so insulting…yet here you are doing worse?

The hypocrisy here is waist deep.[/quote]

Yup, I did! Because I want to be civil. It is you who has resorted to incoherency and insults. [/quote]

I have not insulted you. You insulted me.

If you want to be civil, then be civil. No one made you type like that.[/quote]

I wasn’t cursing AT you. I cursed in frustration because of you refusing to be straightforward and mincing people’s words!

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

I wasn’t cursing AT you. I cursed in frustration because of you refusing to be straightforward and mincing people’s words!
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I am being very straightforward. I am even highlighting and bold facing key points. You are avoiding responding to those specific points and are making insults when you could have avoided it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Sir, you laid out some specific template of foods to eat for a newb based off of only objective factors like age and weight… while acting like my stance of understanding that newb first and what they have done and believe, along with what results they have seen to now, before making radical changes was ludicrous.

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SPECIFIC TEMPLATE?! I gave out the most GENERALIZED ideas in nutrition: showing someone what food sources provide what and making portion controlled suggestions! That’s specific?! By the way, in that post, I didn’t even write food sources.

So what should do X?! Show people NOTHING?!

Oh yes, it will be harmful and confusing to show a chart showing what foods fall into the categories “protein”, “starchy”, “fats”, “fibrous veggies”, “legumes”, and “starchy veggies”. After all, how are we gonna know what they’re gonna eat or need to eat.

Maybe a better idea would be to show them nothing!

You can’t even part with specific or general nutrition advice–couldn’t even show your competence in nutrition by designing a SINGLE meal according to food preferences according to macronutrient allotment.

Here’s how easy it is to be specific.

Client: “I like tuna, brown rice, and olive oil.”

Here’s how you write a meal like a reasonable human being based off of those suggestions for a meal needing ABOUT 40 grams protein, 60 grams of carbs, and 15 grams of fat (using these arbitrary numbers as an example).

(It’s gonna take me less than ONE MINUTE to write the following meal.)

5 oz tuna
1 & 1/3 cup cooked rice
green veggies sauteed in one tablespoon olive oil

Again, show me where I wrote anything SPECIFIC?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

The point againn is that some of you don’t even seem to understand all of the variables. If you drive in heavy traffic to work 5 times this week, your body will be effected in some way. These types of variables can NOT be totally accounted for aside from someone who has literally LIVED AND TRAINED in that body for years to understand what it needs at certain times.
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Oh I’m certain most of the people in this thread understand the large number of individual variables, it’s simply the matter that a newb trainer doesn’t need to obsess about every tiny bit of minutiae in order to set themselves on a better path toward progress, especially if they’ve experienced no success so far, or even had no experience whatsoever. That’s been the mantra among coaches for as long as I can remember: “don’t major in the minors”.

When you keep rehashing this stream of thought, and talking about how it’s just way too complex to even suggest a basic outline of an approach, there’s no way it can be interpreted by people other than a simple reluctance to answer the questions posed, or possibly to make it out like your own route to progress has been so very complicated.

I’m sure a good number of readers can understand Brick’s frustration. You and him have discussed (?) issues back and forth, but while he outlines basic factors that would play into his approach (as well as factors other respected coaches might choose to use), you continually refuse to give a single example, instead reiterating the possibility of awide array of variables that could come into play and how many years it takes to understand the process. All issues IMO that most beginner and even intermediate trainers may never truly need to address in order to make progress.

S

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in conclusion, Stu could come in bigger and more shredded next contest if he played his diet by ear

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And LOL at ONE HUNDRED POUND gains comprised of mostly muscle!

Seriously, any time I read “80 to 100 lb” gains of mostly muscle (for naturals) I feel like I’m gonna crack up, seriously.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And LOL at ONE HUNDRED POUND gains comprised of mostly muscle!

Seriously, any time I read “80 to 100 lb” gains of mostly muscle (for naturals) I feel like I’m gonna crack up, seriously.[/quote]

? Why would you crack up? Didn’t kingbeef do that?

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he didn’t

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

Oh I’m certain most of the people in this thread understand the large number of individual variables, it’s simply the matter that a newb trainer doesn’t need to obsess about every tiny bit of minutiae in order to set themselves on a better path toward progress, especially if they’ve experienced no success so far, or even had no experience whatsoever. That’s been the mantra among coaches for as long as I can remember: “don’t major in the minors”. [/quote]

Then why the “resistance” to what I am writing?

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When you keep rehashing this stream of thought, and talking about how it’s just way too complex to even suggest a basic outline of an approach,[/quote]

Wait…stop. Once again, where did I say you couldn’t suggest a basic outline?

That hasn’t been stated anywhere…by ANYONE…so why do you keep bringing it up?

I am not sure what this even means. Most serious trainers, CT included, admit that it took them years to really get to know their own body.
That isn’t making it seem any more “complicated” than it is.

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I’m sure a good number of readers can understand Brick’s frustration.[/quote]

Really? Most of you seem to be arguing against points not even made…like you just did about me saying no basic guideline can ever be given.

That is a strawman and nothing more.

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You and him have discussed (?) issues back and forth, but while he outlines basic factors that would play into his approach (as well as factors other respected coaches might choose to use), you continually refuse to give a single example, instead reiterating the possibility of awide array of variables that could come into play and how many years it takes to understand the process. All issues IMO that most beginner and even intermediate trainers may never truly need to address in order to make progress.

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Actually what you saw was me stating that those variables are what I would base my basic guideline on…which is why some static hypothetical including only age and weight will not do for that purpose.

I even gave an example of the guy who eats a substantial amount of food daily above average and still has all abs showing vs a guy who is obese with a regular sedentary diet. I am not sure why you see my responses as “refusing to give an example” when those examples were given.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
he didn’t[/quote]

Beef gained about 70-80lbs since he started. I have gained more since I started and yes, it was “mostly muscle” since it wasn’t anywhere near “mostly fat”.

It seems if people do it, they get ignored or shouted down.

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why don’t you start a fat acceptance blog? I remember in kingbeef’s thread you told him to stop counting his macros because you were concerned he was taking the FUN out of it.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
why don’t you start a fat acceptance blog? I remember in kingbeef’s thread you told him to stop counting his macros because you were concerned he was taking the FUN out of it.[/quote]

? I am not sure what is up with you and others with this, but I am leaner right now than I have been since I started posting on this site. MY last avatar was a pic taken about 3 months ago and I’m not fat in it…while you have no pictures showing your amazing lean physique that outshines everyone else.

Kingbeef is a trainer. I would expect him to approach his diet the way he does.

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LOL strong estats

brb comparing CT Fletcher’s veiny 20 inch arms to your fatceps
brb 30 inch thighs at 30% bodyfat
brb “kingbeef I am concerned that you’re taking the FUN out of it.” but “Kingbeef is a trainer. I would expect him to approach his diet the way he does.”
brb here’s my monthly front double hunch pose, as always I’ve lost 10 lbs since then and am bigger
brb in real life normal people call me huge, but here I just don’t know why I get made fun of
brb weak in literally every exercise done on video because the altitude was so high and a nuclear bomb hit my knee in the war
brb telling people who disagree with you that they have mental problems