[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No one said that. It was said that people who focus on JUST GAINING for a few years will make more progress than someone constantly dieting to hold onto abs.
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I have a hard time seeing how anyone could possibly refute that statement. [/quote]
So…burgers at my house?
[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No one said that. It was said that people who focus on JUST GAINING for a few years will make more progress than someone constantly dieting to hold onto abs.
[/quote]
I have a hard time seeing how anyone could possibly refute that statement. [/quote]
Welcome to the internet Bryan 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
@Prof X:
Took me a while but i found some cool stuff you may be interested in:
Strength training will increase the blood volume in tendons which would reduce recovery time.
http://jap.physiology.org/content/106/2/412.abstract
Age WILL increase recovery time by reducing blood flow to tendons.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jor.1100120214/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false
So while exercise will increase the integrity and blood flow of a muscle tendon ultimately it WILL take longer to recover from any tendon injury as age increases. [/quote]
Thanks setto. You didn’t have to do that but it is appreciated.[/quote]
Meh, we have our disagreements, shouldn’t get in the way of fact & science.
No problemo.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No one said that. It was said that people who focus on JUST GAINING for a few years will make more progress than someone constantly dieting to hold onto abs.
[/quote]
I have a hard time seeing how anyone could possibly refute that statement. [/quote]
I don’t think you could, But I don’t think anyone has made it either.[/quote]
Nope. We all for the most part agree in gaining for a number of years as a newbie. What we don’t agree on is that newbie being reckless and putting on unnecessary fat that does nothing for them. We don’t agree that a newbie should get obese. PX can say what he wants, but he was obese at 300 lbs like it or not. Just look at his recent picture and ad 50 POUNDS to that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No one said that. It was said that people who focus on JUST GAINING for a few years will make more progress than someone constantly dieting to hold onto abs.
[/quote]
I have a hard time seeing how anyone could possibly refute that statement. [/quote]
So…burgers at my house?[/quote]
Sorry, I’m dieting.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
He was unquestionably OBESE in every sense of the word. We all agree for the most part in reasonable bulks. Some think 15%bf at the highest others 18%+. Whatever. But to use someone who got OBESE to reach their end goal of big and lean as an example is asinine. Even if Leeman looks awesome now it does not justify getting OBESE. PROVE that getting OBESE helped him get where he is now.
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Dude, no one is telling people to get obese…but I want you to do something for a second.
Look at his AGE and look at HIS RESULTS.
He got fat and lost it all and is now way bigger/stronger than most which was his goal.
If you see a downside, let me know.
Would someone over 30 see the same? Probably not without some health issues.[/quote]
Yes I see a downside. He spent a long period of time LOoKING LIKE SHIT and being a “recluse.” (his words). He had a double chin the size of Jay Leno actual chin. He looked like the stay puffed marshmallow man. To equat his double chin stay puffed marshmallow look to his look now is ASININE.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
He was unquestionably OBESE in every sense of the word. We all agree for the most part in reasonable bulks. Some think 15%bf at the highest others 18%+. Whatever. But to use someone who got OBESE to reach their end goal of big and lean as an example is asinine. Even if Leeman looks awesome now it does not justify getting OBESE. PROVE that getting OBESE helped him get where he is now.
[/quote]
Dude, no one is telling people to get obese…but I want you to do something for a second.
Look at his AGE and look at HIS RESULTS.
He got fat and lost it all and is now way bigger/stronger than most which was his goal.
If you see a downside, let me know.
Would someone over 30 see the same? Probably not without some health issues.[/quote]
Yes I see a downside. He spent a long period of time LOoKING LIKE SHIT and being a “recluse.” (his words). He had a double chin the size of Jay Leno actual chin. He looked like the stay puffed marshmallow man. To equat his double chin stay puffed marshmallow look to his look now is ASININE.[/quote]
Wait, what is a long period of time?
Not to argue here, but time is different at different ages.
It also looked like a life experience that this kid will be forever changed by and not for worse.
it is facinateing what a difference a few % points of fat can make on a persons physique, at least that is one of the main things I am getting out of this thread.
i keep hearing how 5-10 200lbs and 6-2 230lbs is crazy impressive, while in my avatar pic i am 5-6 230lbs.
i dont feel(nor does anybody else, haha) that i am particularly impressive, sure i am bigger than the average gym rat, but i dont feel like i turn heads like i am sure some of the posters here do.
i currently an sitting a about 213, but i look drained and flat. my abs are showing more and i had to go down and size in my jeans again, but i feel i looked much better in the pic in my avatar/
i guess what i am asking, to the smarter people here, will this continue, or at some point, like when i get under 200lbs, when will i see a BIG difference.
i was hoping 205 would be the magic mark, but like i said i am less than 10lbs from that now and i still look very average, if that.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
He was unquestionably OBESE in every sense of the word. We all agree for the most part in reasonable bulks. Some think 15%bf at the highest others 18%+. Whatever. But to use someone who got OBESE to reach their end goal of big and lean as an example is asinine. Even if Leeman looks awesome now it does not justify getting OBESE. PROVE that getting OBESE helped him get where he is now.
[/quote]
Dude, no one is telling people to get obese…but I want you to do something for a second.
Look at his AGE and look at HIS RESULTS.
He got fat and lost it all and is now way bigger/stronger than most which was his goal.
If you see a downside, let me know.
Would someone over 30 see the same? Probably not without some health issues.[/quote]
Yes I see a downside. He spent a long period of time LOoKING LIKE SHIT and being a “recluse.” (his words). He had a double chin the size of Jay Leno actual chin. He looked like the stay puffed marshmallow man. To equat his double chin stay puffed marshmallow look to his look now is ASININE.[/quote]
Wait, what is a long period of time?
Not to argue here, but time is different at different ages.
It also looked like a life experience that this kid will be forever changed by and not for worse. [/quote]
I don’t know the exact times, the vid posted was titled 6 year transformation so im just guestimating.
I agree it was probably a great life experience to see how people treat you as a fatt ass and as a stud. But i’m sure not going to get obese for the life experience.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
it is facinateing what a difference a few % points of fat can make on a persons physique, at least that is one of the main things I am getting out of this thread.
i keep hearing how 5-10 200lbs and 6-2 230lbs is crazy impressive, while in my avatar pic i am 5-6 230lbs.
i dont feel(nor does anybody else, haha) that i am particularly impressive, sure i am bigger than the average gym rat, but i dont feel like i turn heads like i am sure some of the posters here do.
i currently an sitting a about 213, but i look drained and flat. my abs are showing more and i had to go down and size in my jeans again, but i feel i looked much better in the pic in my avatar/
i guess what i am asking, to the smarter people here, will this continue, or at some point, like when i get under 200lbs, when will i see a BIG difference.
i was hoping 205 would be the magic mark, but like i said i am less than 10lbs from that now and i still look very average, if that. [/quote]
Yeah. you’re in the shit zone. When everything gets smaller, weights decrease, yet the image in the mirror doesn’t seem to change or look better.
You may have to push it to sub 200 to get to that point where you suddenly start looking much bigger.
Drained and flat. Sucks. Been there.
[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
it is facinateing what a difference a few % points of fat can make on a persons physique, at least that is one of the main things I am getting out of this thread.
i keep hearing how 5-10 200lbs and 6-2 230lbs is crazy impressive, while in my avatar pic i am 5-6 230lbs.
i dont feel(nor does anybody else, haha) that i am particularly impressive, sure i am bigger than the average gym rat, but i dont feel like i turn heads like i am sure some of the posters here do.
i currently an sitting a about 213, but i look drained and flat. my abs are showing more and i had to go down and size in my jeans again, but i feel i looked much better in the pic in my avatar/
i guess what i am asking, to the smarter people here, will this continue, or at some point, like when i get under 200lbs, when will i see a BIG difference.
i was hoping 205 would be the magic mark, but like i said i am less than 10lbs from that now and i still look very average, if that. [/quote]
Yeah. you’re in the shit zone. When everything gets smaller, weights decrease, yet the image in the mirror doesn’t seem to change or look better.
You may have to push it to sub 200 to get to that point where you suddenly start looking much bigger.
Drained and flat. Sucks. Been there.
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x2
Though I think my deadzone was at a much high bodyfat.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
He was unquestionably OBESE in every sense of the word. We all agree for the most part in reasonable bulks. Some think 15%bf at the highest others 18%+. Whatever. But to use someone who got OBESE to reach their end goal of big and lean as an example is asinine. Even if Leeman looks awesome now it does not justify getting OBESE. PROVE that getting OBESE helped him get where he is now.
[/quote]
Dude, no one is telling people to get obese…but I want you to do something for a second.
Look at his AGE and look at HIS RESULTS.
He got fat and lost it all and is now way bigger/stronger than most which was his goal.
If you see a downside, let me know.
Would someone over 30 see the same? Probably not without some health issues.[/quote]
Yes I see a downside. He spent a long period of time LOoKING LIKE SHIT and being a “recluse.” (his words). He had a double chin the size of Jay Leno actual chin. He looked like the stay puffed marshmallow man. To equat his double chin stay puffed marshmallow look to his look now is ASININE.[/quote]
Wait, what is a long period of time?
Not to argue here, but time is different at different ages.
It also looked like a life experience that this kid will be forever changed by and not for worse. [/quote]
I don’t know the exact times, the vid posted was titled 6 year transformation so im just guestimating.
I agree it was probably a great life experience to see how people treat you as a fatt ass and as a stud. But i’m sure not going to get obese for the life experience. [/quote]
Lol no as a guy who got fat and lost weight myself would not recommend the OBESE part for sure.
My point was more that if he was OBESE for only a couple of years that is not a long time in my eyes.
[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
it is facinateing what a difference a few % points of fat can make on a persons physique, at least that is one of the main things I am getting out of this thread.
i keep hearing how 5-10 200lbs and 6-2 230lbs is crazy impressive, while in my avatar pic i am 5-6 230lbs.
i dont feel(nor does anybody else, haha) that i am particularly impressive, sure i am bigger than the average gym rat, but i dont feel like i turn heads like i am sure some of the posters here do.
i currently an sitting a about 213, but i look drained and flat. my abs are showing more and i had to go down and size in my jeans again, but i feel i looked much better in the pic in my avatar/
i guess what i am asking, to the smarter people here, will this continue, or at some point, like when i get under 200lbs, when will i see a BIG difference.
i was hoping 205 would be the magic mark, but like i said i am less than 10lbs from that now and i still look very average, if that. [/quote]
Yeah. you’re in the shit zone. When everything gets smaller, weights decrease, yet the image in the mirror doesn’t seem to change or look better.
You may have to push it to sub 200 to get to that point where you suddenly start looking much bigger.
Drained and flat. Sucks. Been there.
[/quote]
this is me moments ago, 213lbs ugh, i look like SHHHHEEEIT
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
He was unquestionably OBESE in every sense of the word. We all agree for the most part in reasonable bulks. Some think 15%bf at the highest others 18%+. Whatever. But to use someone who got OBESE to reach their end goal of big and lean as an example is asinine. Even if Leeman looks awesome now it does not justify getting OBESE. PROVE that getting OBESE helped him get where he is now.
[/quote]
Dude, no one is telling people to get obese…but I want you to do something for a second.
Look at his AGE and look at HIS RESULTS.
He got fat and lost it all and is now way bigger/stronger than most which was his goal.
If you see a downside, let me know.
Would someone over 30 see the same? Probably not without some health issues.[/quote]
Yes I see a downside. He spent a long period of time LOoKING LIKE SHIT and being a “recluse.” (his words). He had a double chin the size of Jay Leno actual chin. He looked like the stay puffed marshmallow man. To equat his double chin stay puffed marshmallow look to his look now is ASININE.[/quote]
Wait, what is a long period of time?
Not to argue here, but time is different at different ages.
It also looked like a life experience that this kid will be forever changed by and not for worse. [/quote]
I don’t know the exact times, the vid posted was titled 6 year transformation so im just guestimating.
I agree it was probably a great life experience to see how people treat you as a fatt ass and as a stud. But i’m sure not going to get obese for the life experience. [/quote]
Lol no as a guy who got fat and lost weight myself would not recommend the OBESE part for sure.
My point was more that if he was OBESE for only a couple of years that is not a long time in my eyes. [/quote]
I agree in the grand scheme of things it’s not a long time, but why be obese for a couple of years when a more calculated approach can lend the same end results without spending time looking like shit?
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
this is me moments ago, 213lbs ugh, i look like SHHHHEEEIT
[/quote]
Jesus, you’re only 213? What are you, 3 feet tall?
5’6" ummmm…should i be insulted?
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
He was unquestionably OBESE in every sense of the word. We all agree for the most part in reasonable bulks. Some think 15%bf at the highest others 18%+. Whatever. But to use someone who got OBESE to reach their end goal of big and lean as an example is asinine. Even if Leeman looks awesome now it does not justify getting OBESE. PROVE that getting OBESE helped him get where he is now.
[/quote]
Dude, no one is telling people to get obese…but I want you to do something for a second.
Look at his AGE and look at HIS RESULTS.
He got fat and lost it all and is now way bigger/stronger than most which was his goal.
If you see a downside, let me know.
Would someone over 30 see the same? Probably not without some health issues.[/quote]
Yes I see a downside. He spent a long period of time LOoKING LIKE SHIT and being a “recluse.” (his words). He had a double chin the size of Jay Leno actual chin. He looked like the stay puffed marshmallow man. To equat his double chin stay puffed marshmallow look to his look now is ASININE.[/quote]
Wait, what is a long period of time?
Not to argue here, but time is different at different ages.
It also looked like a life experience that this kid will be forever changed by and not for worse. [/quote]
I don’t know the exact times, the vid posted was titled 6 year transformation so im just guestimating.
I agree it was probably a great life experience to see how people treat you as a fatt ass and as a stud. But i’m sure not going to get obese for the life experience. [/quote]
Lol no as a guy who got fat and lost weight myself would not recommend the OBESE part for sure.
My point was more that if he was OBESE for only a couple of years that is not a long time in my eyes. [/quote]
I agree in the grand scheme of things it’s not a long time, but why be obese for a couple of years when a more calculated approach can lend the same end results without spending time looking like shit?[/quote]
I think the problem is with the calculation part.
Being in medicine for 20 years there are just no guarantees, like has been said this end up being an art not a science. Why? Cause its basically the human body, again why its called practicing medicine.
My thought is like making your DL go up, you could do small increments of 2.5 lb plates to slowly go up over time. OR
you lay your balls on the floor grip it and rip it, sometimes to push the envelope.
Kind of the same mentality in regards to putting on slabs of muscle
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
5’6" ummmm…should i be insulted?
[/quote]
HT dont know if anyone has told you this but you are pretty thick dude
i know i am pretty wide, just not sure if my ego just took a huge hit or not…lol
“jesus your only 213, your big!”
or
“jesus. your only 213, your are a fat fuck!”
haha