Scientology.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I like how so many people here have just identified things that they dislike and started calling them a scam. [/quote]
Amen, makes you wonder if they even know what a scam is…
[quote]Kilosprinter2 wrote:
I don’t expect to be handed anything. I don’t want to be handed anything.
I just want the opportunity to prove that I am valuable. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.
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You want to be handed an opportunity. You contradicted one statement with the next and don’t even see anything wrong with it.
You need to find opportunity and seize it. No one is going to GIVE an opportunity.
Here is my example that I will give to you so that you may understand that you may get a job, but you need to find and capitalize upon opportunity to get it.
I had recently completed a welding course and was looking for work which would include welding. I started talking to a friend of mine who is a fabricator, and steered the conversation toward their need for welders, whether or not there was a need. It turns out that one of their welders was moving on in a few weeks and they would need to replace him. It was at that point that I saw an opportunity to capitalize upon.
The next step was to meet up with and present myself to the owner of the company. I started talking to him and steered the conversation toward his upcomming need for a replacement. Good help is hard to find and all of that stuff. I told him about my recent completion of the course and other applicable skills, then asked for the job. We did an official interview/application a couple of days later and I started there the following week.
Capitalization of opportunity complete. Job in that field gotten and life is good.
You should also note that a degree, certificate, or training may be necessary, but you will also need to embody other skills that apply to a position that may not come from formal education but are an absolute necessity just about everywhere.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Kilosprinter2 wrote:
I don’t expect to be handed anything. I don’t want to be handed anything.
I just want the opportunity to prove that I am valuable. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.
You want to be handed an opportunity. You contradicted one statement with the next and don’t even see anything wrong with it.
You need to find opportunity and seize it. No one is going to GIVE an opportunity.
Here is my example that I will give to you so that you may understand that you may get a job, but you need to find and capitalize upon opportunity to get it.
I had recently completed a welding course and was looking for work which would include welding. I started talking to a friend of mine who is a fabricator, and steered the conversation toward their need for welders, whether or not there was a need. It turns out that one of their welders was moving on in a few weeks and they would need to replace him. It was at that point that I saw an opportunity to capitalize upon.
The next step was to meet up with and present myself to the owner of the company. I started talking to him and steered the conversation toward his upcomming need for a replacement. Good help is hard to find and all of that stuff. I told him about my recent completion of the course and other applicable skills, then asked for the job. We did an official interview/application a couple of days later and I started there the following week.
Capitalization of opportunity complete. Job in that field gotten and life is good.
You should also note that a degree, certificate, or training may be necessary, but you will also need to embody other skills that apply to a position that may not come from formal education but are an absolute necessity just about everywhere.
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X2
Excellent point. Well illustrated. Often times WHAT you know is not as important as WHO you know.
And then when you get to a certain level in business that last statement is obsolete and it becomes more important to consider WHO knows YOU! (think about it - that one’s a biggie)
Like it or not, we are social creatures. We want to help those we like and will get the most status from / leverage over. It’s all selfish, you just have to identify the need and fill it.
If you network correctly you should have no problems getting what you want in life. Remember those five areas I keep talking about? Here they are again:
English Language, Communication, Sales, Marketing, Public Speaking
I don’t care what your field is - spend some time on those areas and develop some BASIC understanding at least. It will make a huge difference in your success or lack thereof in life.
Someone commented earlier that they don’t have the “technical knowledge” or “skill-set” to get into mortgage finance or internet marketing, which were two areas I had suggested in an earlier post. I wasn’t born knowing that shit either! I graduated High School and started swinging a hammer. I never went to college. I never took a class on mortgage finance (recently I had to take some new licensing required education, but that was after I was well established). I can read, though. I have a critical mind. AND most importantly:
I BELIEVE IN MYSELF. I am not afraid to fail. If I had a dollar for every time I failed I’d take every one on this thread out to dinner at Morton’s. It’s ok and even necessary to fail.
DO IT WHILE YOU ARE YOUNG! Before you have a family to be responsible for. While you have energy and enthusiasm and aren’t as jaded. Life WILL kick you in the nuts. Just make sure you get up and dust yourself off. In times like these the ability to adapt and endure will serve you very well.
my .02
http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/07/29
this is the biggest scam in the world.
[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
No one mention PETA yet?[/quote]
NO. That’s the biggest joke, not the biggest scam, wrong thread dude.
[quote]ampleforth wrote:
The stock market is not a scam unless you allow it to be. It is a gamble just like horse racing or cards. If you don’t know what you are doing, you will get burned but it isn’t a scam. For most it is simply speculation. You have to realize that wealth is not created by the stock market. It is a representation of what people think things are worth. It is much like playing poker. You guess the value of your hand and speculate on what it is worth. But you are not really creating any wealth. The total value of markets can only move up and stay up if what they represent actually increases in value. Most of the time strong surges in the market occur due to speculation and not real growth. It is only a scam if you play it wrong. Every one wants to get rich quick. If you take that approach then you are making it a scam.
Jews? A scam? Jewish people exist. How is that a scam? [/quote]
I’m guessing he meant to say biggest scammers…
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
Kilosprinter2 wrote:
I don’t expect to be handed anything. I don’t want to be handed anything.
I just want the opportunity to prove that I am valuable. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.
You want to be handed an opportunity. You contradicted one statement with the next and don’t even see anything wrong with it.
You need to find opportunity and seize it. No one is going to GIVE an opportunity.
Here is my example that I will give to you so that you may understand that you may get a job, but you need to find and capitalize upon opportunity to get it.
I had recently completed a welding course and was looking for work which would include welding. I started talking to a friend of mine who is a fabricator, and steered the conversation toward their need for welders, whether or not there was a need. It turns out that one of their welders was moving on in a few weeks and they would need to replace him. It was at that point that I saw an opportunity to capitalize upon.
The next step was to meet up with and present myself to the owner of the company. I started talking to him and steered the conversation toward his upcomming need for a replacement. Good help is hard to find and all of that stuff. I told him about my recent completion of the course and other applicable skills, then asked for the job. We did an official interview/application a couple of days later and I started there the following week.
Capitalization of opportunity complete. Job in that field gotten and life is good.
You should also note that a degree, certificate, or training may be necessary, but you will also need to embody other skills that apply to a position that may not come from formal education but are an absolute necessity just about everywhere.
X2
Excellent point. Well illustrated. Often times WHAT you know is not as important as WHO you know.
And then when you get to a certain level in business that last statement is obsolete and it becomes more important to consider WHO knows YOU! (think about it - that one’s a biggie)
Like it or not, we are social creatures. We want to help those we like and will get the most status from / leverage over. It’s all selfish, you just have to identify the need and fill it.
If you network correctly you should have no problems getting what you want in life. Remember those five areas I keep talking about? Here they are again:
English Language, Communication, Sales, Marketing, Public Speaking
I don’t care what your field is - spend some time on those areas and develop some BASIC understanding at least. It will make a huge difference in your success or lack thereof in life.
Someone commented earlier that they don’t have the “technical knowledge” or “skill-set” to get into mortgage finance or internet marketing, which were two areas I had suggested in an earlier post. I wasn’t born knowing that shit either! I graduated High School and started swinging a hammer. I never went to college. I never took a class on mortgage finance (recently I had to take some new licensing required education, but that was after I was well established). I can read, though. I have a critical mind. AND most importantly:
I BELIEVE IN MYSELF. I am not afraid to fail. If I had a dollar for every time I failed I’d take every one on this thread out to dinner at Morton’s. It’s ok and even necessary to fail.
DO IT WHILE YOU ARE YOUNG! Before you have a family to be responsible for. While you have energy and enthusiasm and aren’t as jaded. Life WILL kick you in the nuts. Just make sure you get up and dust yourself off. In times like these the ability to adapt and endure will serve you very well.
my .02
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Failing at stuff is common, and its not a big deal as long as you learn something from it.
But back on to your topic about the english language, marketing, and public speaking. If you suck at marketing anything, can’t even remotely speak in public, and have a poor grasp of the english language, then yeah your going to have a hard time finding a job. You probably walk into an interview wearing jeans too.
Quick story, I knew a guy who was a “manager” for a temp company, he basically looked over the temps at a large warehouse, and I basically guaranteed me a job at the said warehouse, I just needed to go to the temp agency building at their group interview day, and do the regular shit, but I was guaranteed a job as long as I passed the safety quiz. So I go to the temp agency, wearing one of my nice suits minus the coat, its was only 11 an hour, but still, I had a shirt and tie on. As I walked into the door and sat with the rest of the people everyone looked at me like I was stupid, because they were dressed like they just got done at the gym, or it was a sunday and they were in house clothes. Even if I didn’t have an “in” with the temp agency, I knew damn well I’d get the job way before any of these retards would. And another thing, I fully understand that when your with your friends that you talk however you want, swear, using slang, whatever. That isn’t for talking to an interviewer, or your boss with sort of language, be fucking professional for once in your life. Anyway, make no mistake with my pathetic excuse for grammar in my online posts, in any of my jobs where I had to speak with people or fill out forms, you’d better believe I was squared away.
anyway, I managed to have another wall of text completely off subject.
I don’t think college is a scam, but some of the degrees available definitely are. My sister is going to a “real” college, an accredited state university and pursuing one of those degrees right now. She told me on the phone the other day that she just realized she didn’t even need an education to do what she wants to do which is work in the music industry.
Fortunately, she hasn’t paid a dime out of pocket and she has no student loans. It’s all grants and scholarships, so even if it won’t get her a job, it’s still a degree and it hasn’t cost her anything but time.
[quote]VonStinkle wrote:
ampleforth wrote:
The stock market is not a scam unless you allow it to be. It is a gamble just like horse racing or cards. If you don’t know what you are doing, you will get burned but it isn’t a scam.
For most it is simply speculation. You have to realize that wealth is not created by the stock market. It is a representation of what people think things are worth. It is much like playing poker. You guess the value of your hand and speculate on what it is worth. But you are not really creating any wealth.
The total value of markets can only move up and stay up if what they represent actually increases in value. Most of the time strong surges in the market occur due to speculation and not real growth. It is only a scam if you play it wrong. Every one wants to get rich quick. If you take that approach then you are making it a scam.
Jews? A scam? Jewish people exist. How is that a scam?
I’m guessing he meant to say biggest scammers…
[/quote]
Well, I wouldn’t say they or the actual market is a scam. More that the media itself that tells people that they need to invest into stocks and how to invest in the stocks is the scam(mers). In the world of Finance, it is not how much money you have but how much you control that makes you more money.
Can someone enlighten me and explain what’s wrong with Obama.
…I almost started a shit storm
explain what’s wrong with Obama in as little words as possible*
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
polo77j wrote:
Biggest scam of the century: Entitlement
Polo, you are a fucking mind reader! And damn you for beating me to it! LOL
ENTITLEMENT
Stop whining about wasting your time getting a degree and now you “cant” get a job.
I don’t have a degree and I’m a commissioned sales person in the mortgage industry. I bring in five fucking figures a month. I also lose five figures a month in deals that fall through, regulation changes, and borrowers that are morons.
For example, just this week, the FBI raided Taylor Bean and shut them down. I have six loans there. I just lost about $50,000 in gross commissions. But that’s ok because I can always earn more!
Last month it was APB that got out of wholesale - Lost about $40,000 there…
And don’t think that I have this shit easy. I work a MINIMUM of 12 hours a day. I bust my ass. Because I want it and I believe in myself. I don’t have an employer holding me back and telling me what I’m worth. I know what I’m worth, and the buck stops here. I sink or swim based on my own merit.
Get into the mortgage industry. People will ALWAYS buy and sell real estate. Just make sure that they are working with you and not someone else! How do we do this? Sales and Marketing! You guys have finance degrees, I don’t - you could blow my socks off if you marketed yourself correctly. You could steal all my clients. But you won’t.
I know that if I want 15 closed loans a month, I have to have about 25 full loan applications, which means I need about 40 appointments, which means I need to make about 200 phone calls/visits to my database and I need to send out about 5000 pieces of direct mail so that I get between a 5% and 8% response rate.
In most cases, the leads are weak, but I get ten or so qualified people a month that way. The rest are from Realtor / past client referrals.
Or get into internet marketing! Any asshole can put up a website and sell shit (we are on one!). Figure out a need that people have and sell them a solution to their problem. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!! The gov’t and Media do all the work for you by making people feel inadequate in their own skin. They will buy shit to feel good. They may as well buy it from you!
I think I laid this out earlier in another post, but it bears repeating here - Study these five areas:
The English Language, Communication, Sales, Marketing, and Public Speaking.
Quit bitching that the big, bad world isn’t giving you a job. Lift your skirt, grab your balls and go out and create some fucking opportunity for your selves! YOU are responsible for YOUR life!
Best of luck!
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This sums up my feelings exactly.
It’s been hammered into me from day one that I HAD to work for someone to even THINK about surviving.
I’m working for someone else, getting stressed all to hell, usually making just enough to pay my rent and car note, and hope the other shit takes care of itself.
I’ve also got a waiting list of people wanting to give me money and let me work less than 20 hours a week, face-time.
The former requires I just keep doing what I was doing, but in a different work environ, with an employer I need to train, and a new employee to train, thus draining my income.
The latter? It requires about a month of 14 hour days and a metric ass load of local/internet marketing. It will also have two separate recurring income streams from the internet which require less than 6 hours of work a month, making me close to $80k a year.
I wonder what I’ll do.
And to hell with anyone thinks that I’ll be making more money, I should be helping those less willing to work. They can fuck themselves straight to hell. I’ve got my family, friends, and self to live for.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
ampleforth wrote:
The stock market is not a scam unless you allow it to be. It is a gamble just like horse racing or cards. If you don’t know what you are doing, you will get burned but it isn’t a scam. For most it is simply speculation. You have to realize that wealth is not created by the stock market. It is a representation of what people think things are worth. It is much like playing poker. You guess the value of your hand and speculate on what it is worth. But you are not really creating any wealth. The total value of markets can only move up and stay up if what they represent actually increases in value. Most of the time strong surges in the market occur due to speculation and not real growth. It is only a scam if you play it wrong. Every one wants to get rich quick. If you take that approach then you are making it a scam.
Jews? A scam? Jewish people exist. How is that a scam?
When the fuck did I say Jews were a scam? I say you’re a scam, planted here by the Goldman Sachs to portray the that the Jewish race isn’t a scam.
/sarcasm
Okay, almighty one, I’ll submit to your knowledge. For the average person, the stock market is a scam, or at least how the media has portrayed how to ‘play’ the stock market is a scam. The stock market is not to be played with, if you do not control something why the hell would you put your money into it? Why would you let someone tell you what to do with your money when they have no real interest in your money growing?
I own stock, lots of it. I did not get rich quick, I worked for it. Not hard, but I worked for all the stuff I own. Speculation is used, but not like people do it today, and that is how they ‘play’ it. Which is complete bullshit, but like the quote goes, “The stock market is like a weight machine,” it goes up and it goes down, but after awhile it’s true weight shows up. I play the weight machine, not what society thinks it’s worth. I rather have premium stocks for 100 dollars a share and get $8 dividends than ride the market and get hit with capitol gains.[/quote]
Brother Chris,
You said nothing about the Jewish people, I was responding to a post following yours. Perhaps my posting etiquette is not on par. Your understanding of the market appears very mature. My point was more directed at those who don’t understand what the market represents. DIVIDENDS ROCK!!!
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I like how so many people here have just identified things that they dislike and started calling them a scam. [/quote]
Yes, we have a winner. You said in one sentence what I tried to say in my previous rant. People need to realize that just because they made a bad choice, doesn’t make that choice a scam.
In life, you can choose to be a victim and wine about everything or you can work harder and try to make better choices.
Barack Obama
I wouldn’t call it one of the biggest scams of the century, but Susan Powter’s “Stop the Insanity” diet was almost criminal in a.) just how frigging WRONG it was and b.) how it set back the collective nutritional intelligence of baby boomers about 200 years.
For those unfamiliar with this diet…Susan Powter was a substance-addicted manic depressive who decided that she’d make a diet to slim down the nation. Being unable to recommend the methods which caused her to lose 200 lbs (likely a healthy stack of amphetamines and gunpowder), she conceived a diet in which the participants avoided ANY kind of fat, because as she said “FAT makes you fat”.
Housewives and retirees started reading the fat content of every product, and inhaling bagels, crackers, bananas and “fat free” snack cakes (this was the genesis of High Fructose Corn Syrup), and elevating Ms. Powter to the level of demi-god and spiritual adviser.
I cant imagine how many diseased, insulin-belching pancreas’ would love to hunt Powter down and burn her at the stake.
This “watch the fat!” movement lasted surprisingly long, until Barry Sears came along with his “40/30/30 Zone diet” which actually had some semblance of logic and reasonability behind it.
I think Satan has a bed of molten sulphur with a “reserved” sign on it. When Tony Little and Susan Powter finally check out, he’ll sodomize them for an eternity
Biggest scam? Literally?
Someone openly telling you they are God’s chosen people.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
I don’t get it when someone is saying global warming is a scam. Think about it one second: why would someone want to make you believe in global warming? What does it makes people buy? But I can understand someone wanting to make you think it doesnt exist.
It is a fact.[/quote]
First, let me say that I don't think GLOBAL WARMING is a scam. However, I am not ready to concede to everything in the "Global Warming" agenda. Global Warming is at this point just a theory being debated at the highest levels of science. Obviously, man kind should take care to protect the environment. The question is what lengths we should go and how much we should spend to achieve a certain improvement.
You asked the question "why would someone want to make you believe in global warming?" The answer is very basic: Since the dawn of time, fear has been a prime motivator. See big animal with sharp teeth, run like hell. Children are told to be good or they will be punished. Adults are told to be good or they will go to hell. Teach a population to fear something and convince them you have the solution and you can manipulate and control said population. Everyone is looking for salvation at some basic level.
I have read many scientific works on Global Warming. The IPCC has a ton of data that can be used to support either side of the argument. For a really entertaining look (fictional) on the matter, read Michael Crichton's "A State of Fear" if you want to see an extreme view of political manipulation.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
I wouldn’t call it one of the biggest scams of the century, but Susan Powter’s “Stop the Insanity” diet was almost criminal in a.) just how frigging WRONG it was and b.) how it set back the collective nutritional intelligence of baby boomers about 200 years.
For those unfamiliar with this diet…Susan Powter was a substance-addicted manic depressive who decided that she’d make a diet to slim down the nation. Being unable to recommend the methods which caused her to lose 200 lbs (likely a healthy stack of amphetamines and gunpowder), she conceived a diet in which the participants avoided ANY kind of fat, because as she said “FAT makes you fat”.
Housewives and retirees started reading the fat content of every product, and inhaling bagels, crackers, bananas and “fat free” snack cakes (this was the genesis of High Fructose Corn Syrup), and elevating Ms. Powter to the level of demi-god and spiritual adviser.
I cant imagine how many diseased, insulin-belching pancreas’ would love to hunt Powter down and burn her at the stake.
This “watch the fat!” movement lasted surprisingly long, until Barry Sears came along with his “40/30/30 Zone diet” which actually had some semblance of logic and reasonability behind it.
I think Satan has a bed of molten sulphur with a “reserved” sign on it. When Tony Little and Susan Powter finally check out, he’ll sodomize them for an eternity[/quote]
LOL Best post Iv read in a long time.