The Biggest Scam of the 21th Century

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[quote]JEATON wrote:
Getting an MBA just out of college is not the way to go. You will not get nearly as much out of it as you would if you spent five plus years out in the business world. I went back and got my MBA fifteen years after college. There were several fresh college graduates in my program as well. They were smart and eager. They were loaded with conceptual knowledge. What they lacked was experiential knowledge.

I have never gone sky diving. I can imagine what it might be like. I can watch films, read books, talk to those who have. I can study it and visualize to my hearts content. I can guarantee you one thing though. There is nothing I can do that would compare or prepare me for the experience of standing in a plane door, wind in my face and launching myself out into space into a free fall.

Myself and those who had been out in the world had conceptual hooks on which to hang the knowledge we were gaining in grad school. “Oh yeah. I could use then to better accomplish …” Once presented, we owned the knowledge and information. Our younger friends did not have this advantage.

Another thing. It will likely take you years after college to really find what juices you and makes you want to jump out of bed in the morning. You have no idea where that might lead and an MBA may just be $25,000.00 or more debt burden that acts like an anchor on your ass, keeping you from what really drives you.

For now, be the best friggin warehouse worker or whatever else you can be. There is something to be learned in every capacity. You will never be recognized and given the opportunity to do big stuff until you master the mundane. I look for people who do such things well. It shows a level of self control and self respect that is teachable and trainable.
Just one old man’s opinion.
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This post is so full of fucking win I got a boner. Nicely put.

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[quote]dday wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
dday wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
I don’t get it when someone is saying global warming is a scam. Think about it one second: why would someone want to make you believe in global warming?

Al Gore sure made some bank off making the world believe in global warming. People should know he is the guy who gets the majority of the money on the carbon credit scam. Basically Al Gore is the biggest scam of the 21st century and Obama.

Al Gore didnt invent global warming. The first who discoved that CO2 could make the atmosphere temperature go up is Svante Arrhenius in the 1800’s.

If Global warmimg is something invented by Al Gore why then people in Europe and Canada are concerned about this? What about the scientist? You should try to think about it more than two seconds. Thinking that it is a scam makes no sense

There are more scientists that believe that the world is going through a natural cycle and we’re still coming out of the ice age than believe it’s global warming.

nope

I never said that Al Gore invented global warming, I specifically quoted your comment about why would someone want to make you believe in global warming, my response was that Al makes a freaking killing on “global warming”, greed is an excellent motivator to make someone believe in something.

why would he want to make you believe that? It is clear: the earth is warming as proven by scientist. On the other hand you have the oil lobby and people like that who have interest in denying global warming. Everyone would be fine if global warming didnt exist, so why do some people claim that there is? There is no interest. The fact is that it is happening

there is proof. Why would someone invent this? Must be the crazy liberal!!!
It is like evolution vs creation. People want to believe in creationnism. Evolution is a fact.
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[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
JEATON wrote:
Getting an MBA just out of college is not the way to go. You will not get nearly as much out of it as you would if you spent five plus years out in the business world. I went back and got my MBA fifteen years after college. There were several fresh college graduates in my program as well. They were smart and eager. They were loaded with conceptual knowledge. What they lacked was experiential knowledge.

I have never gone sky diving. I can imagine what it might be like. I can watch films, read books, talk to those who have. I can study it and visualize to my hearts content. I can guarantee you one thing though. There is nothing I can do that would compare or prepare me for the experience of standing in a plane door, wind in my face and launching myself out into space into a free fall.

Myself and those who had been out in the world had conceptual hooks on which to hang the knowledge we were gaining in grad school. “Oh yeah. I could use then to better accomplish …” Once presented, we owned the knowledge and information. Our younger friends did not have this advantage.

Another thing. It will likely take you years after college to really find what juices you and makes you want to jump out of bed in the morning. You have no idea where that might lead and an MBA may just be $25,000.00 or more debt burden that acts like an anchor on your ass, keeping you from what really drives you.

For now, be the best friggin warehouse worker or whatever else you can be. There is something to be learned in every capacity. You will never be recognized and given the opportunity to do big stuff until you master the mundane. I look for people who do such things well. It shows a level of self control and self respect that is teachable and trainable.
Just one old man’s opinion.

This post is so full of fucking win I got a boner. Nicely put.[/quote]

Your avatar gave me a boner.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
polo77j wrote:
Biggest scam of the century: Entitlement

Polo, you are a fucking mind reader! And damn you for beating me to it! LOL

ENTITLEMENT

Stop whining about wasting your time getting a degree and now you “cant” get a job.

I don’t have a degree and I’m a commissioned sales person in the mortgage industry. I bring in five fucking figures a month. I also lose five figures a month in deals that fall through, regulation changes, and borrowers that are morons.

For example, just this week, the FBI raided Taylor Bean and shut them down. I have six loans there. I just lost about $50,000 in gross commissions. But that’s ok because I can always earn more!

Last month it was APB that got out of wholesale - Lost about $40,000 there…

And don’t think that I have this shit easy. I work a MINIMUM of 12 hours a day. I bust my ass. Because I want it and I believe in myself. I don’t have an employer holding me back and telling me what I’m worth. I know what I’m worth, and the buck stops here. I sink or swim based on my own merit.

Get into the mortgage industry. People will ALWAYS buy and sell real estate. Just make sure that they are working with you and not someone else! How do we do this? Sales and Marketing! You guys have finance degrees, I don’t - you could blow my socks off if you marketed yourself correctly. You could steal all my clients. But you won’t.

I know that if I want 15 closed loans a month, I have to have about 25 full loan applications, which means I need about 40 appointments, which means I need to make about 200 phone calls/visits to my database and I need to send out about 5000 pieces of direct mail so that I get between a 5% and 8% response rate. In most cases, the leads are weak, but I get ten or so qualified people a month that way. The rest are from Realtor / past client referrals.

Or get into internet marketing! Any asshole can put up a website and sell shit (we are on one!). Figure out a need that people have and sell them a solution to their problem. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!! The gov’t and Media do all the work for you by making people feel inadequate in their own skin. They will buy shit to feel good. They may as well buy it from you!

I think I laid this out earlier in another post, but it bears repeating here - Study these five areas:

The English Language, Communication, Sales, Marketing, and Public Speaking.

Quit bitching that the big, bad world isn’t giving you a job. Lift your skirt, grab your balls and go out and create some fucking opportunity for your selves! YOU are responsible for YOUR life!

Best of luck!

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Best Post on the thread, it’s all about being active and busting ass to get where you want. Now if that means busting ass and taking evening classes to expand your knowledge base than so be it, but being stagnant is as good as being dead IMO. Don’t wait for it, go get it.

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[quote]Fling wrote:
Global Warming
Male enhancement pills
The supplement industry
The wealth envy crowd
The 40 hour work-week

College isn’t a scam, but it is over-hyped, often by people who haven’t gone. I have friends who had to work harder or start with lower positions in a company than I did due to lacking a degree, but due to their hard work they aren’t far behind me and they don’t have stupid loans. It’s also not for everyone, there are plenty of people who would be better off starting their own business, becoming an apprentice under a tradesman, joining the military, etc. instead of going to school. I’ve worked manual labor jobs in between career jobs, but if you have a 4 year degree and can’t find work you would do well to seek out a career counselor.

Obama is not a scam. He promised his constituents free stuff at the expense of the working man, and he is doing his damnedest to produce. His socialist views and his extremist friends where exposed long before he was elected. He is working hard to prove that you can judge a man by the company that he keeps. [/quote]

OK what do you mean “Male enhancement pills”. Are you saying they don’t work??? But the infomercials. And the guy in the santa suit and race car seem so happy.

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rate of change of position diet

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The Biggest Scam of the 21th Century: AT&T.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:
dday wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
dday wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
I don’t get it when someone is saying global warming is a scam. Think about it one second: why would someone want to make you believe in global warming?

Al Gore sure made some bank off making the world believe in global warming. People should know he is the guy who gets the majority of the money on the carbon credit scam. Basically Al Gore is the biggest scam of the 21st century and Obama.

Al Gore didnt invent global warming. The first who discoved that CO2 could make the atmosphere temperature go up is Svante Arrhenius in the 1800’s.

If Global warmimg is something invented by Al Gore why then people in Europe and Canada are concerned about this? What about the scientist? You should try to think about it more than two seconds. Thinking that it is a scam makes no sense

There are more scientists that believe that the world is going through a natural cycle and we’re still coming out of the ice age than believe it’s global warming.

nope

I never said that Al Gore invented global warming, I specifically quoted your comment about why would someone want to make you believe in global warming, my response was that Al makes a freaking killing on “global warming”, greed is an excellent motivator to make someone believe in something.

why would he want to make you believe that? It is clear: the earth is warming as proven by scientist. On the other hand you have the oil lobby and people like that who have interest in denying global warming. Everyone would be fine if global warming didnt exist, so why do some people claim that there is? There is no interest. The fact is that it is happening

there is proof. Why would someone invent this? Must be the crazy liberal!!!
It is like evolution vs creation. People want to believe in creationnism. Evolution is a fact.

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I’ll say it again MONEY!!! There are billions of dollars in global warming, BILLIONS!!! And I can find anti global warming websites too, doesn’t make it fact.
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php
Truth is no one REALLY knows if the earth is heating, cooling or just doing it’s thing, one thing no one can argue, there are people out there making a freaking killing on global warming.

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i dont know about biggest scam, but pharmaceutical companies paying hundreds of billions to make sure that there will never be a registered perscription drug data base even though perscription drugs kill more than all other illegal narcotics combined. Addicts can go to different doctors in their county and grab the same perscription from all of them.

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Fact - There will be many times in your life where you know too little. You will never be in any situation where you know too much. Knowledge is power. Educate yourself. College is only one way not the only way.

Fact - You will not be successful unless you love your chosen occupation. If you choose something like finance because it sounds good or looks sexy or you saw someone cool doing it in a movie, you will not be successful.

Fact - You should choose your education based on what you want / love to do. Educate yourself accordingly.

Fact - Your definition of success is not my definition. Decide what it is you want.

Fact - Life is hard. It can be brutal. But if you get it right it can also be rewarding and joyful.

Fact - You and only you are responsible for your success. Scams exist because people let them.

The biggest scams in the world are the ones that have been perpetrated by those who claim they will take care of you. They promise you things that they can’t deliver or are not true. Beware the half truths and hidden agendas. You can not be scammed unless you allow it - your choice.

Fact - Global warming is still being debated. Obviously, the human race is contributing to waste and emission of toxic substances into our environment. The planet is not going anywhere. We are. It is just a matter of time before we are replaced with a new life form. Will we be wiped out by gamma rays, die of disease, blow ourselves up? Who knows. Only the truly egotistical claim they know. There are hidden agendas. The weather channel wants you to believe in extreme climate change. There are to many hidden agendas to mention. An earlier poster mentioned Al Gore. Do you realize how much money the man has made since he left office? And 95% of it has been based on Global Warming. I am talking about 9 figures. The problem is that the extreme positions taken by many derail civilized conversation. We end up in a tug of war based on 2 extremes.

Fact - Obama is the President of the US. He is not a scam. I didn’t vote for him and I don’t agree with a lot of what he says but he is not 100% wrong. Just thank what ever God you pray to that we have a government with checks and balances. Pray for moderation and maybe things will not be as bad as some thing.

Finally, after 43 years on this planet, I am very disappointed that the majority of our government officials have failed to understand one basic truth. Modern nations rise and fall based on their economies. True wealth is only created by selling natural resources or adding value to natural resources and selling them. All other gains in wealth are secondary and speculative. The geniuses that determined the US should basically be an intellectual based service industry supplier to the rest of the world failed to consider a few key points. First, it is much easier to relocate intellectual property than it is natural resources or manufacturing infrastructure. Secondly, true improvement is born from working directly with what ever is being improved. We are doing a bid disservice to our children by telling them they can all get rich on wall street.

OK all seriousness aside. The biggest scam of all time is MTV. That’s right MTV. MTV is a symbol of what has become of our great nation. Those of you my age will understand. For those younger, MTV once played music videos by real musicians. That’s right, musicians used to actually play music (I am talking about actual musical instruments). It was amazing - the singers voices were actually real and not run through synthesizers. WTF happened? Good music was going main stream and now what is mainstream? Has the Disney channel taken over? At least good music still exists, it just went underground again. So thats it. The same mentality that ruined MTV is ruining the country. Freaking MTV!!!

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MTV is da Devil, Bobby Boucher

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[quote]dday wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
dday wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
dday wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
I don’t get it when someone is saying global warming is a scam. Think about it one second: why would someone want to make you believe in global warming?

Al Gore sure made some bank off making the world believe in global warming. People should know he is the guy who gets the majority of the money on the carbon credit scam. Basically Al Gore is the biggest scam of the 21st century and Obama.

Al Gore didnt invent global warming. The first who discoved that CO2 could make the atmosphere temperature go up is Svante Arrhenius in the 1800’s.

If Global warmimg is something invented by Al Gore why then people in Europe and Canada are concerned about this? What about the scientist? You should try to think about it more than two seconds. Thinking that it is a scam makes no sense

There are more scientists that believe that the world is going through a natural cycle and we’re still coming out of the ice age than believe it’s global warming.

nope

I never said that Al Gore invented global warming, I specifically quoted your comment about why would someone want to make you believe in global warming, my response was that Al makes a freaking killing on “global warming”, greed is an excellent motivator to make someone believe in something.

why would he want to make you believe that? It is clear: the earth is warming as proven by scientist. On the other hand you have the oil lobby and people like that who have interest in denying global warming. Everyone would be fine if global warming didnt exist, so why do some people claim that there is? There is no interest. The fact is that it is happening

there is proof. Why would someone invent this? Must be the crazy liberal!!!
It is like evolution vs creation. People want to believe in creationnism. Evolution is a fact.

I’ll say it again MONEY!!! There are billions of dollars in global warming, BILLIONS!!! And I can find anti global warming websites too, doesn’t make it fact.
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php
Truth is no one REALLY knows if the earth is heating, cooling or just doing it’s thing, one thing no one can argue, there are people out there making a freaking killing on global warming.
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BILLIONS!!! Who gets money for global warming? It doesnt give anything to anyone. So you are saying that global warming was invented by the guy who wrote a book about it to sell? And that he is making BILLIONS? I know one industry who is doing billion and it is the oil industry. Why do you want so much global warming to be a scam? You dont want to change your lifestyle? come on, you are a T-MEN, you can DESTROY EVERYTHING.
pfft

Also I know people who don’t want to know

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[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
Anonymous Coward wrote:
Then why are you studying it?
Because it interests me? Would you studying gay art if it didn’t interest you?
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To make fucking money? Why would invest money on a college education if you aren’t going to end up earning on that investment?

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Stock Market. Unless you have enough to buy and control, it’s like guessing which rope to pull that the least amount of shit will fall on you. Yeah, some people make it big, but they usually fall on the face faster than they jumped off the building. Kind of like taking the express elevator, and jumping off the roof.

The people that make the money are the a) the people who own the companies that buy stocks for people b) people who own the companies with the stocks c)

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Stock Market. Unless you have enough to buy and control, it’s like guessing which rope to pull that the least amount of shit will fall on you. Yeah, some people make it big, but they usually fall on the face faster than they jumped off the building. Kind of like taking the express elevator, and jumping off the roof.

The people that make the money are the a) the people who own the companies that buy stocks for people, b) people who own the companies with the stocks, c) and of course the people with enough money to dictate what happens in the company. Look at Warren Buffet, he had great ideas about companies stocks going up, he however hardly made his money with his money. The money he did put into companies out of his own pocket was hedged by the other people’s money he put in with it. And now he does not buy stock in company unless he can buy enough to give him a foot in the door to the board meetings.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:
dday wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
dday wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
dday wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
I don’t get it when someone is saying global warming is a scam. Think about it one second: why would someone want to make you believe in global warming?

Al Gore sure made some bank off making the world believe in global warming. People should know he is the guy who gets the majority of the money on the carbon credit scam. Basically Al Gore is the biggest scam of the 21st century and Obama.

Al Gore didnt invent global warming. The first who discoved that CO2 could make the atmosphere temperature go up is Svante Arrhenius in the 1800’s.

If Global warmimg is something invented by Al Gore why then people in Europe and Canada are concerned about this? What about the scientist? You should try to think about it more than two seconds. Thinking that it is a scam makes no sense

There are more scientists that believe that the world is going through a natural cycle and we’re still coming out of the ice age than believe it’s global warming.

nope

I never said that Al Gore invented global warming, I specifically quoted your comment about why would someone want to make you believe in global warming, my response was that Al makes a freaking killing on “global warming”, greed is an excellent motivator to make someone believe in something.

why would he want to make you believe that? It is clear: the earth is warming as proven by scientist. On the other hand you have the oil lobby and people like that who have interest in denying global warming. Everyone would be fine if global warming didnt exist, so why do some people claim that there is? There is no interest. The fact is that it is happening

there is proof. Why would someone invent this? Must be the crazy liberal!!!
It is like evolution vs creation. People want to believe in creationnism. Evolution is a fact.

I’ll say it again MONEY!!! There are billions of dollars in global warming, BILLIONS!!! And I can find anti global warming websites too, doesn’t make it fact.
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php
Truth is no one REALLY knows if the earth is heating, cooling or just doing it’s thing, one thing no one can argue, there are people out there making a freaking killing on global warming.

BILLIONS!!! Who gets money for global warming? It doesnt give anything to anyone. So you are saying that global warming was invented by the guy who wrote a book about it to sell? And that he is making BILLIONS? I know one industry who is doing billion and it is the oil industry. Why do you want so much global warming to be a scam? You dont want to change your lifestyle? come on, you are a T-MEN, you can DESTROY EVERYTHING.
pfft

Also I know people who don’t want to know
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/discussion- you’ve not even tried to get the point.

BTW I never gave my opinion on global warming, you assume I don’t believe in global warming. I said the…you know what you’re not going to listen anyway.

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jews.

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The stock market is not a scam unless you allow it to be. It is a gamble just like horse racing or cards. If you don’t know what you are doing, you will get burned but it isn’t a scam. For most it is simply speculation. You have to realize that wealth is not created by the stock market. It is a representation of what people think things are worth. It is much like playing poker. You guess the value of your hand and speculate on what it is worth. But you are not really creating any wealth. The total value of markets can only move up and stay up if what they represent actually increases in value. Most of the time strong surges in the market occur due to speculation and not real growth. It is only a scam if you play it wrong. Every one wants to get rich quick. If you take that approach then you are making it a scam.

Jews? A scam? Jewish people exist. How is that a scam?

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I would rather die struggling to feed myself and my family than be a fucking sheep. If I were in a place where I couldn’t do that, I would move. It goes back to entitlement: Just because you are a human doesn’t mean you have the “right” to taken care of. If you don’t have what it takes to make it, then let your pathetic excuse for genetics be removed from the gene pool so that they don’t contaminate the rest of us! Life has no guarantees. It is up to the individual to make his/her decisions and live with the consequences. In ALL societies there are a FINITE amount of resources. Some more than others, but they are there. If you are smart, you will figure out how to get them. If you are not smart, you will fail and die. If you are lucky or hard working, you may get by with out being smart, but ultimately your circumstances in life are a cumulative result of your decisions and actions!

I pay my taxes and I don’t complain. I am in the highest tax bracket and I got over the fact that the successful are punished for their success a long time ago. I will just earn more. I have no problem with earning more. What I do have a problem with is people that didn’t risk and sacrifice and struggle to get where I’ve gotten to, think that I owe someone something that they didn’t have the balls to go for it themselves.

As humans, we evolved. Those of us that were able to survive did. Those of us that failed to do what was necessary to survive, died. That’s ok. That’s what it is to be human. That’s why all of us are here on this website: we want to consciously evolve and improve ourselves so that we can increase our chances of survival and attracting a quality mate. We at T-Nation (most of us) are the pinnacle of the human species. We like to lift heavy shit - It keeps us in touch with our primal instincts and our very humanity. LIFE IS STRUGGLE. The strong will survive. Socialism feeds the weak. FUCK THAT. [/quote]

claps hands

I enjoy reading your posts. So for that I’ll simply say QFT.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
If you don’t have what it takes to make it, then let your pathetic excuse for genetics be removed from the gene pool so that they don’t contaminate the rest of us! Life has no guarantees. [/quote]

This one is particularly true but I laugh because I imagine the average person’s response to reading/hearing that.

Also, college is too expensive? Scholarships people… it’s a beautiful thing.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Testy1 wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Testy1 wrote:

I don’t believe he was saying don’t go back to school, just don’t go straight from undergrad to grad school.

As far as employment history, if you can’t factor in that thousands of people were losing their jobs during a period when someone wasn’t “chasing the dream”, then you most likely shouldn’t be in charge of hiring.

There is a significant difference between working in a warehouse and getting your MBA in this job market, and just working in a warehouse.

If you don’t understand that, I know why you aren’t in charge of hiring.

Yeah people are losing/lost their jobs. The ones that are putting in effort to be better in the field with laid off are going to look better than those that are sitting back blaming the economy for their situation.

How is this not common sense?

Again, no one is saying that you shouldn’t be trying to better yourself. It’s doubtful that someone that has taken the initiative to get a degree is going to stagnate in a warehouse.

Maybe that is part of why the economy is in the state it’s in, we have beancounters doing the hiring.

Your reading comprehension is lacking here. You quoted someone who told OP not to get his MBA saying that he “should post more and others should post less.” When neither of you have any fucking clue what you are talking about, given the current job market.

Why do people who don’t do this for a living suddenly think they know how successful businesses run once they log into the internet?

Oh and I’m sure a designer such as yourself could asses a potential employee better.

Who’s reading comprehension is lacking?

This is what he said,

“Getting an MBA just out of college is not the way to go. You will not get nearly as much out of it as you would if you spent five plus years out in the business world. I went back and got my MBA fifteen years after college. There were several fresh college graduates in my program as well. They were smart and eager. They were loaded with conceptual knowledge. What they lacked was experiential knowledge.”

My guess is he has more years experience than you have been out of diapers.[/quote]

Re-read my posts. I specifically said in THIS JOB MARKET his advice is fucking dumb, if you want to work in finance when the market normalizes.

Christ it’s like talking to my son around here sometimes.

Tell you what, you’re right. He shouldn’t pursue his MBA. Even though he can’t get a job in his field, using his undergrad degree, he should certainly wait until he has worked in finance to get his advanced degree.

And when he goes for and interview in 18 months, and is up against 4 other applicants that DID get their MBA while they couldn’t get a job in this market, I’m sure he’ll get the job before they do. Because, you know, a lot of people were unemployed, what was he to do? Woe is me…