[quote]jasmincar wrote:
I dont post in a thread made by a terrorist.[/quote]
You just did.
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
Trust me I am not going on blind faith, the bible even tell’s you to “work out your faith”.
You can look up the historical evidence for jesus’ life, and also for pilate, and for jesus’ death, even down to the fact that pilates wife dreamt about jesus’ and was troubled because of it.
Also, seeing as we know jesus was real and have proof of it. when he taught that he was the son off God, he either.
1 - was insane
2 - was a liar
3 - was who he said he was; the son of God
He could in no way have just been a “good man” as some people try to say, any man who taught lies and gave people false hope for eternal life would in no way be a good man.
And I also dont believe he was a liar as no man would die for any cause, because no reward would be any good to him.
And yea you can try and tell me he was insane, but i know otherwise.[/quote]
There is also a fourth option, where he was told from birth that he was the son of the god of Abraham by his promiscuous mother and her gullible cuckold husband.
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
I just want to be covered by you and to be able to listen to your melodic bass thumping in my soul throughout eternity.
and pizza.
[/quote]
Let’s face it, the party’s gonna be in Hell. It’s fun to do bad things and the devil likes rock and roll.[/quote]
Plus, Ronnie James Dio is there, so it should truly be a helluva good time.[/quote]
Matt 8:12
there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
[/quote]
You’re preachin’ to the choir here, Flash.
I’m just having some fun, man.
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.�?�¢??
[/quote]
You got any original thoughts on the matter, or are you just going to keep regurgitating someone else’s opinion? One that was written a couple hundred years after the fact on top of everything else.
This constant pointing to quotes in the Bible is bullshit. The Bible was written by men, period. It represents their belief system as handed down to them by memory from others over the course of a couple hundred years. Memory is nothing more than decaying senses, and is therefore flawed at best. In essence, you’re just worshiping someone else’s belief system and not God. Put the Bible down and examine these sorts of issues without it. Or can you?[/quote]
You either believe it or you don’t. I believe what it say’s to be the ultimate truth, not through blind faith but because I have tested it, from the promises off God even down to things like the historical evidence for Jesus and Pilate. You don’t and that’s fine, but you have no more right to call it bullshit than I have to call whatever you believe (or don’t believe) bullshit.
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You’re so pretentious it makes me sick. You’ve tested it? Historical evidence? There is no historical evidence whatsoever to suggest that Jesus was divine and there is very little, if any historical evidence to suggest that he was even a person at all. Historical evidence is primary evidence, period. Can you show me some sort of historical evidence of his divinity?
I’m quibbling over semantics here to a certain point. You haven’t tested anything, and if you have you are simply going on your belief that what your “test” was provided you with the answers you were looking for. By providing me with some meaningless quote from someone who was alive hundreds of years after Jesus allegedly lived (an allegation I believe to be true, by the way) you’re simply using someone else’s argument or belief as a reason to justify your own beliefs. You’re following someone else’s faith instead of developing your own.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
You’re preachin’ to the choir here, Flash.
I’m just having some fun, man.
[/quote]
the Dwarf is in a Choir?
does he sing baritone?
can he hit the high notes?
can he wear tails without them dragging the floor?
is he limited to the short notes?
need I go on?
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.�??�??�?�¢??
[/quote]
You got any original thoughts on the matter, or are you just going to keep regurgitating someone else’s opinion? One that was written a couple hundred years after the fact on top of everything else.
This constant pointing to quotes in the Bible is bullshit. The Bible was written by men, period. It represents their belief system as handed down to them by memory from others over the course of a couple hundred years. Memory is nothing more than decaying senses, and is therefore flawed at best. In essence, you’re just worshiping someone else’s belief system and not God. Put the Bible down and examine these sorts of issues without it. Or can you?[/quote]
You either believe it or you don’t. I believe what it say’s to be the ultimate truth, not through blind faith but because I have tested it, from the promises off God even down to things like the historical evidence for Jesus and Pilate. You don’t and that’s fine, but you have no more right to call it bullshit than I have to call whatever you believe (or don’t believe) bullshit.
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No… you are going on faith.
If you are talking about evidence of the miracles he performed or proof of his virgin birth there is no evidence.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if there was someone who had a life similar to the story of Jesus that had mythical aspects added.
If you believe in god okay.
But please do not act as if you are not going on blind faith[/quote]
Trust me I am not going on blind faith, the bible even tell’s you to “work out your faith”.
You can look up the historical evidence for jesus’ life, and also for pilate, and for jesus’ death, even down to the fact that pilates wife dreamt about jesus’ and was troubled because of it.
Also, seeing as we know jesus was real and have proof of it. when he taught that he was the son off God, he either.
1 - was insane
2 - was a liar
3 - was who he said he was; the son of God
He could in no way have just been a “good man” as some people try to say, any man who taught lies and gave people false hope for eternal life would in no way be a good man.
And I also dont believe he was a liar as no man would die for any cause, because no reward would be any good to him.
And yea you can try and tell me he was insane, but i know otherwise.[/quote]
It hath been written and therefore must be so.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
You’re preachin’ to the choir here, Flash.
I’m just having some fun, man.
[/quote]
the Dwarf is in a Choir?
does he sing baritone?
can he hit the high notes?
can he wear tails without them dragging the floor?
is he limited to the short notes?
need I go on?
[/quote]
LOL!
I sing the notes that are too high to reach by ladder.
[quote]hwh89 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
One other thing, Brother Chris:
Temptation hasn’t been mentioned yet and temptation is a big thing in Christianity. If there is some course of action I want to take that makes me feel good, but I don’t take it because I resist that temptation knowing that it is wrong, what am I motivated by? Isn’t Heaven the greater reward that is held up as motivation for resisting temporal temptations? My knowledge of the Bible is lacking, but I’m pretty sure that this directly addressed in it and Heaven IS that greater reward.[/quote]
Heaven alone would be the greater reward for people who go to church and then act as if by going to church this makes them better than those who don’t. Those types are just as selfish and judgmental as anyone who would assume someone who believes in God is a moron.
In effect, I agree with you.
A Christian should be motivated by a desire to be closer to God, not by just the desire to get a ticket into “Heaven”.[/quote]
I believe a man is faced with two choices:
1-either to live life to the fullest like some said.
2-or choose the Afterlife and go to Heaven.
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I honestly think that if there is a choice, it comes down to either believing that we did not create ourselves and that a higher being put us here for a reason (which in itself causes someone to NOT see themselves as the center of the universe)…or that everything happens by random chance and that there are no moral consequences for any actions.
I personally do not believe that we popped up randomly as if “life” is drifting through space aimlessly just waiting ONLY for an Earth-like planet to inhabit for the relatively short universal time that it exists.
Both choices may be viable, but I find random chance and chaos forming balance by accident is just as, if not more, “fantastic” as believing in “God”.
I also think that most peoople have a very juvenile concept of what “God” even is or what “he” could be.
I also wonder if those same people would be so aversed to a concept of a higher intelligence that can stand outside of our concepts of time seeding life here.
The concept would be the same…only no floating guy in the clouds with a long beard like Santa Clause.
[quote]hwh89 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
One other thing, Brother Chris:
Temptation hasn’t been mentioned yet and temptation is a big thing in Christianity. If there is some course of action I want to take that makes me feel good, but I don’t take it because I resist that temptation knowing that it is wrong, what am I motivated by? Isn’t Heaven the greater reward that is held up as motivation for resisting temporal temptations? My knowledge of the Bible is lacking, but I’m pretty sure that this directly addressed in it and Heaven IS that greater reward.[/quote]
Heaven alone would be the greater reward for people who go to church and then act as if by going to church this makes them better than those who don’t. Those types are just as selfish and judgmental as anyone who would assume someone who believes in God is a moron.
In effect, I agree with you.
A Christian should be motivated by a desire to be closer to God, not by just the desire to get a ticket into “Heaven”.[/quote]
I believe a man is faced with two choices:
1-either to live life to the fullest like some said.
2-or choose the Afterlife and go to Heaven.
[/quote]
It is now impossible to live life to the fullest while maintaining strong faith and morality? I must have missed the part where to enjoy life I must be unrepentant for my misdoings, or commit unforgivable sins(your religious mileage may vary).
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]hwh89 wrote:
and for those who do not believe in the Afterlife, What do you think will happen after you die?
[/quote]
My family will be sad for a while. I will be cremated. [/quote]
Are you sure about that?
Here’s a few historical references as to the existence of Jesus:
Cornelius Tacitus’ ANNALS(no, not Anals), a link: http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/tacitus.html
Flavius Josephus’(not a rapper) Jewish Antiquities, link: Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia
Oh never mind, just found this link on Wikipedia, go here:
Also, the Bible was written by 40 different men in 3 different languages over a period of about 1500 years on different continents. It would be the most monumental task in human history to coordinate a collaboration like that and see it to it’s finish. It would take unimaginable planning, cooperation, and foresight to do this.
Yet it’s the most widely owned book on this planet. Here’s an intersting link, best selling books of all time: http://home.comcast.net/~antaylor1/bestsellingbooks.html
All the others on this list were written in the last few hundred years. The Bible stands way out.
Not trying to be preachy, but isn’t this in itself worth looking into? Do the majority of people reject it without doing their own research? It wouldn’t make sense to criticize a movie you haven’t yet seen, would it? How many people do you know that have read it cover to cover compared to the amount of people that discredit it?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
A Christian should be motivated by a desire to be closer to God, not by just the desire to get a ticket into “Heaven”.[/quote]
That right there.
[/quote]
Word.
I’ll answer later, time for shower.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
After Life, I usually enjoy a plate of eggs.
(See if anyone get’s the symbolism here. lol)[/quote]
Egg is symbolic of new life.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
After Life, I usually enjoy a plate of eggs.
(See if anyone get’s the symbolism here. lol)[/quote]
Egg is symbolic of new life. [/quote]
Or testes
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
I just want to be covered by you and to be able to listen to your melodic bass thumping in my soul throughout eternity.
and pizza.
[/quote]
Let’s face it, the party’s gonna be in Hell. It’s fun to do bad things and the devil likes rock and roll.[/quote]
Plus, Ronnie James Dio is there, so it should truly be a helluva good time.[/quote]
Matt 8:12
there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
[/quote]
You’re preachin’ to the choir here, Flash.
I’m just having some fun, man.
[/quote]
Sorry buddy didn’t mean to get at you or anything, just don’t like seeing anyone going the wrong way!!
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.�??�?�¢??
[/quote]
You got any original thoughts on the matter, or are you just going to keep regurgitating someone else’s opinion? One that was written a couple hundred years after the fact on top of everything else.
This constant pointing to quotes in the Bible is bullshit. The Bible was written by men, period. It represents their belief system as handed down to them by memory from others over the course of a couple hundred years. Memory is nothing more than decaying senses, and is therefore flawed at best. In essence, you’re just worshiping someone else’s belief system and not God. Put the Bible down and examine these sorts of issues without it. Or can you?[/quote]
You either believe it or you don’t. I believe what it say’s to be the ultimate truth, not through blind faith but because I have tested it, from the promises off God even down to things like the historical evidence for Jesus and Pilate. You don’t and that’s fine, but you have no more right to call it bullshit than I have to call whatever you believe (or don’t believe) bullshit.
[/quote]
You’re so pretentious it makes me sick. You’ve tested it? Historical evidence? There is no historical evidence whatsoever to suggest that Jesus was divine and there is very little, if any historical evidence to suggest that he was even a person at all. Historical evidence is primary evidence, period. Can you show me some sort of historical evidence of his divinity?
I’m quibbling over semantics here to a certain point. You haven’t tested anything, and if you have you are simply going on your belief that what your “test” was provided you with the answers you were looking for. By providing me with some meaningless quote from someone who was alive hundreds of years after Jesus allegedly lived (an allegation I believe to be true, by the way) you’re simply using someone else’s argument or belief as a reason to justify your own beliefs. You’re following someone else’s faith instead of developing your own.[/quote]
Don’t over react, if I want to believe in something… why argue with me over it??? I dont tell you that you are wrong to believe in what ever you believe in. Just that I know that there is a better way.
What I mean by saying I have tested it is that I have read the promises that God has given me in his word, and have found them ALL to be true so far. Believeing in God has made a real change to my life, and has blessed me in ways that not you, or anyone else, can tell me I am wrong about.
And you also say I’m not developing my faith?? I develop my faith every day by talking to my father in heaven, I have a relationship with God and I believe that what is written in his word to be true. That is faith.
^^^ It’s just annoying as hell when someone tells people their religion is based on real evidence instead of faith.
It’s annoying as hell when people tell you that your religion isn’t based on real evidence instead of faith.