[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Brian, you must try to be this dense. I wonder if it happens to come naturally, or does the gift erupt spontaneously? I must believe you try to be this incompetent. If it helps you to feel better, I was in a coma for over six weeks and the doctors thought I would be a vegetable the rest of my life. Be glad, they have your company for how wrong they can be.
“The fine print that gets you” is the in the COMPLETE and ENTIRE document. Here is the second sentence which that must be understood, as a portion of the whole document. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” You can read the Document here - America's Founding Documents | National Archives - This brings up an awesome part because the rights are bestowed upon their Creator. Doubt me? Look at the link above ^ and never once does it even hint the unborn are NOT to be considered for these unalienable rights.
Let me ask you B r i a n, can the unborn pursue the rights of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness after they are slaughtered after the procedure known currently as abortion?
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
KD,
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (within our narrowly confined and government approved and accepted areas)
*it’s the fine print that gets you.[/quote]
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KD,
And here I was being civil with you, but I suppose it was too much to ask for you to maintain some degree of politeness, so here we go.
"“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Clearly they were very narrow in this assessment as it only included white males, females of any race were excluded (fact) and black men were excluded as well (as blacks of both genders were considered property). Oddly their status as property included the unborn, who could be bought, sold and …gasp…killed.
Black men did not receive equal status under law for another 90 years or so (or 190 depending on how you view “equal”), women did not receive equal status under law for another 140 years (about the same time that a vague notion of rights for living children was enacted, living because it covered things like “work” that fetuses and zygotes rarely do.) This was eventually adopted by the UN in 1989. In the US children are eligible for certain constitutional rights, but they are not allowed the full scope of rights because they are not mature enough to use them. this is a big point, children receive rights as they age, the more mature the more rights, the less mature the fewer rights.
If you are going to use a 250 year old document (a manifesto really since its’ status as a legal document for the purpose of governing is non-existent it was merely a groundwork for later) to frame an argument, read a fucking history book, or have someone read it to you, buy books on tape, I truly don’t care how you reach some level of historical competence, but please do so before you post snarky, uneducated, poorly thought out drivel in response to a post that was giving you an “out”. The fact is the Declaration of Independence is a well written, but ultimately flawed document, because it eliminates a whole host of living, breathing humans from the equation, now if women, blacks, and children are not “covered” under the declaration, I wonder how the “unborn” fared?
I liked it better when we were civil. This is going off on a tangent that has no impact on current issues regarding abortion anyway.