[quote]Brother Chris wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:Your very weak Catholic(big C)hamartiology is showing.[/quote]If you have a problem with my hamamrmsfdlkasgoutology, it is above my pay grade. I am not able to change it nor do I wish to change how Jesus did it. If you think Jesus and the Apostles came up with weak hamamrmsfdlkasgoutology and you can do better, please refer all suggestions and queries towards them. [/quote]I embrace fully the doctrine of sin espoused by the Son of God and His apostles. I would submit to a slow painful death before attempting to change it like Rome has. [quote]Brother Chris wrote:P.S. I’ve heard they have a very open door policy about such things. Though it does not seem like they are even so much as tempted to change any of their doctrines or dogmas because of the mere complaining by stiff necked and stubborn folk. Good luck trying to persuade them.[/quote]I’m not sure what you mean by this. Except where you so affectionately referred to me as stiff necked and stubborn. =D
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< advocates of legal abortion do not see it primarily as an ideological issue of women’s rights or of personal autonomy, but as the best of alternatives. Abortion, they believe, frees a woman from an unplanned pregnancy; and keeping it legal at least prevents back-street abortions. So, I’d suspect their motives are well placed. >>>[/quote]I suspect you are very honorably naive.
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Yes, I’ve only been working in the pro-life movement in the Southwest for 4 years. I know nothing.
Further, nice chop job of my quote, if you go back to the beginning, I said most. Obvious there are those who understand the realities of what it is that they do. However, a good chunk of people don’t realize what it is that happens during abortion. [/quote]The vast majority of abortions are sought to selfishly escape responsibility for an act we both agree is immoral. I would not assault a young girl who is scared and confused with accusations of murder. To say nothing of a woman who’s been raped, but most of the “advocates”, like some we have here, are not on some honorable but misguided campaign of good will. Even the women.
They are promoting their godless libertine sensibilities as normative for the society. If you do not see that then these 4 years have not taught you as much as you think. BTW, I was doing clinic marches in the 80’s when I was your age. The opposition always shows up too. I never met one with godly intentions gone wrong.
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tribulus,
“Godless Libertine sensibilities…” Seriously?
For thousands of years men have used religion to create a sexual caste system, with women as 2nd class citizens, this was easier when women had no power, no education, no ability to fend for themselves (because of the predatory actions of men). Now women have achieved a somewhat equal footing, and with that they have chosen to be a bit freer sexually, very rarely do you see two virgins getting married in the US. You may have a moral objection to their behavior, but the fact is that people like having sex, and now that women have less social stigma associated with having a sexual history, you will probably never see a return to the “good old days”. America is probably a bit late in this regard, sex has been a ridiculous taboo for such a violent country to concern itself with, but for some reason our puritanical roots have always made America view sex as “dirty”, when in fact it is clearly not.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I embrace fully the doctrine of sin espoused by the Son of God and His apostles. I would submit to a slow painful death before attempting to change it like “the Reformers” have.
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I fixed that because you for some reason referred to those commonly referred to as the Reformers as Rome.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
I had promised myself that I wouldn’t post in this thread anymore because it is seriously a waste of time, however I figured one last shot at pointing out the hypocrisy of the Pro-life Movement might be in order:
- Over 80% of “Pro-Life” self identifiers also identify as Conservative/Republican
- The majority of Conservative/republicans (73%) support the death penalty
- The GOP moved over $300,000,000 from TANF (welfare programs for poor kids and families) to the Federal Healthy Marriage Initiative (quite a way to show that they care about the kids).
- They have been instrumental in cutting $4.5 billion in food stamps, a program that feeds kids (and pregnant women) to the tune of 45 million Americans. Studies show that malnutrition from fetal formation to age two leads to decreased cognitive function FOREVER. The GOP led congress is looking to trim another $134 billion over 10 years (thank you Paul Ryan).
- The GOP wants to kick 280,000 children off of school lunch programs, to avoid defense spending cuts and provide tax breaks for the rich. It is part of a larger 10year $33 billion dollar series of cuts that also reduces eliminates benefits for over 1.5 million poor folks. GOP Bob Bishop called the school lunch program “unconsitutional”.
- The GOP and its’ candidates are almost universally against Gay Marriage and Gay Adoption, despite the fact that on average roughly 130,000 children are left waiting for adoption each year.
- The GOP is against teaching about contraception in sex education classes, they have funded abstinence only programs nationwide, but have attempted to not fund anything that promotes/teaches contraception.
- The GOP is in favor of increased defense spending and decreasing spending on education,healthcare,school lunches, housing assistance, student loans, after school education programs etc.
How can a group of people state that they are pro-child when they give up on the child right after it is born? If you are so pro-child that you can’t imagine the world without those 1.6 million aborted fetuses per year, tell me where your compassion actually starts.
In Oklahoma " Medicaid paid for the treatment and delivery costs for more than 70 percent of the 26,100 unintended pregnancies in 2006, the only year for which state-by-state data is available…For the Sooner State, which had the 10th-highest percentage of such births among states that year, the price tag for prenatal and post-partum care for the woman and infant was $55.6 million while the federal government?s share of those costs was $117.6 million. Nationwide, federal and state government costs for treating and delivering unintended pregnancies in 2006 was more than $11 billion."
These costs are just for the pre-natal care and then delivery, passed right on to you, the taxpayer. What about the cost of raising a child in poverty? Well that is simple, the average taxpayer cost of raising a HEALTHY child through 18 years of public assistance is over $300,000 (counting medical, dental, housing, food and other assistance) a child with a disability can cost many times that depending on the severity of the disability.
If 70% of unplanned pregnancies are children that will receive public assistance and if we assume they are all healthy, the cost to the taxpayer will be roughly $33,600,000,000 for each batch of kids added to your tax bills. This doesn’t count the necessary increases in teachers, public employees (social workers, police, DFS, Social Security, Housing authority etc.) It seems you have a choice, abort the unplanned fetus, or open up your wallets, the GOP/RTL faction wants to do neither, there is a word for that…
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/25/470967/gop-school-lunch-cuts/?mobile=nc
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/statistics/adoption.cfm
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-03/curbing-female-reproductive-rights-raises-taxpayer-costs.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2266310/posts
http://www.nchcw.org/fup/
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-06-15/features/bs-gl-reimer-teen-pregnancy-20110616_1_teen-pregnancy-teen-mother-health-care
http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/costs/pdf/states/georgia/press_release.pdf[/quote]
Think progress? Seriously? LOL!
Look B r a i n, you have to learn to make arguments with out presenting strawmen, and red herrings. Every single letter of what you wrote is completely irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if all pro-lifers were tu-tu’s and smoke blunts while sniffing cocaine off of toilet seats, the only thing that matters is whether or not you are taking a human life. Nothing else matters.
You’re argument suck so bad you are at risk of becoming a caricature of yourself.
Fact: there is no decernable break in the human life cycle from conception to death.
Fact: there is no such thing as a ‘partial’ or ‘potential’ human.
Therefore, in an abortion, you are taking a human life.
No amount of wishful thinking or external facets are going make that fact no true.[/quote]
Pat,
So hypocrisy it is then, well done. Why the fuck do you clowns care about a zygote and not give a shit about the kids when they’re here? You may consider abortion murder (the law sure as shit doesn’t, but I guess that doesn’t matter) but I guess you have no problem with the neglect and abuse of actual children once they are outside the “hoo-ha”, or you have no problem redirecting tax dollars to education, healthcare and social welfare programs, or should we just raise taxes? Which one do you choose? [/quote]
There’s no hypocrisy you’re making that shit up out of thin air. I care about human life in an out of the womb. Who the fuck are you to pass judgement on me like you know what I do and do not do for charity?
Who do you help? Have you adopted any kids? What do you do, petition the government that they should really help the less fortunate because you cannot be bothered to do it yourself?
It’s not my fault your argument sucks ass and is completely false. There is no such thing as a partial or potential human. That shit is made up. I am not making up crap to make my point, you are. I say taking human life is wrong, you say it’s right so long as it doesn’t much look like a human yet. Well, being human ain’t about looks. Either admit you think it’s ok to take human life, or admit your fucking wrong.
Pat,
So you are still not answering the question? Amazing…yet expected.
Feel free to answer the question, it’s simple really, would you be willing to pay more in taxes to support the aborted kids on public assistance? This is to the tune of 100’s of billions per year, I am sure you have no problem with footing that bill if your conscience is clear, correct?
You also have no problem with the increased crime rate presented by 1.6 million mostly unwanted children correct? Whether or not you believe in the argument presented in Freakonomics (and most right to lifers don’t) the data does tend to show decreases in crime related to the legalization of abortion.
I don’t care if you volunteer, I volunteer as well, so what. Are you feeding the 280,000 kids without lunches? I have never adopted, I probably never will, but I am also not telling women to have children they neither want nor can afford in order to feel as if I am doing my “christian duty”. In this scenario you should be adopting as many kids as you can fit in your house, you should then build an addition and adopt more.
I called you a hypocrite because I made a generalization based on your posts, that you are against raising taxes, you tend to call any argument you disagree with a “strawman” and you refuse to answer the simplest question above because you are faced with either lying or being exposed as a hypocrite. By the way, I am not passing judgment on you any more than you regularly judge others (on this very forum) so stop acting offended, I am merely calling you out for what you are.
When people want to change a law like abortion because they find it immoral, but aren’t also clamoring to either raise taxes or slash defense spending, hire more teachers, improve the infrastructure, invest in social welfare and improve the overall state of the country, they are very simply put, hypocrites.
Giving a shit about an unborn child is sweet, letting that child grow up in poverty and neglect because it’s “not my problem” is evil. So feel free to explain how you would change that, realistically that is, I’d love to see your answer.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Giving a shit about an unborn child is sweet, letting that child grow up in poverty and neglect because it’s “not my problem” is evil. So feel free to explain how you would change that, realistically that is, I’d love to see your answer. [/quote]
It is their problem, but they will just blame it on the liberals somehow.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Pat,
So you are still not answering the question? Amazing…yet expected.
Feel free to answer the question, it’s simple really, would you be willing to pay more in taxes to support the aborted kids on public assistance? This is to the tune of 100’s of billions per year, I am sure you have no problem with footing that bill if your conscience is clear, correct?
You also have no problem with the increased crime rate presented by 1.6 million mostly unwanted children correct? Whether or not you believe in the argument presented in Freakonomics (and most right to lifers don’t) the data does tend to show decreases in crime related to the legalization of abortion.
I don’t care if you volunteer, I volunteer as well, so what. Are you feeding the 280,000 kids without lunches? I have never adopted, I probably never will, but I am also not telling women to have children they neither want nor can afford in order to feel as if I am doing my “christian duty”. In this scenario you should be adopting as many kids as you can fit in your house, you should then build an addition and adopt more.
I called you a hypocrite because I made a generalization based on your posts, that you are against raising taxes, you tend to call any argument you disagree with a “strawman” and you refuse to answer the simplest question above because you are faced with either lying or being exposed as a hypocrite. By the way, I am not passing judgment on you any more than you regularly judge others (on this very forum) so stop acting offended, I am merely calling you out for what you are.
When people want to change a law like abortion because they find it immoral, but aren’t also clamoring to either raise taxes or slash defense spending, hire more teachers, improve the infrastructure, invest in social welfare and improve the overall state of the country, they are very simply put, hypocrites.
Giving a shit about an unborn child is sweet, letting that child grow up in poverty and neglect because it’s “not my problem” is evil. So feel free to explain how you would change that, realistically that is, I’d love to see your answer. [/quote]
I’m a little confused. Are you saying abortion is, basically, forward thinking eugenics?
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Giving a shit about an unborn child is sweet, letting that child grow up in poverty and neglect because it’s “not my problem” is evil.[/quote]
Interestingly, that was the exact same justification the Nazis gave when they started their “eugenics movement.”
I have personal knowledge how that process came to a final solution.
Then find the studies that show women who DO regret abortion and the negative correation. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Then you have to realize my problem with abortion, the slaughter of an innocent child.
Would you like to read about women who regret abortion? - I had an abortion just 3 days ago, on Wednesday, at 16-weeks. I am 20-years-old and have been with my on-again-off-again boyfriend for a little over 4 years. With that being said, during the month you were conceived, I slept with someone else, while I was on a break from my boyfriend.
I completely missed my period, and while I was at work, I took a pregnancy test. I had all kinds of feelings, but I was confused. I wasn’t sure if I should be excited or mad or happy or angry. Over the course of 4 months, I treated you like any mother should. I fell asleep with my hands on my stomach every night. Eating healthy, working out, all to make sure that my little bean was on the right track to being healthy. As weeks passed by, I tried to weigh out my options with what would happen, depending on who your dad was. As weeks passed by, things got a little harder. I had moved out of my parents and was living with my boyfriend. I tried to get a paternity test for you, but I couldn’t afford it. Things went from bad to worse, quickly. Last Saturday, my boyfriend drug me out of my car and after we got inside started hitting us, and I decided I had had enough. I didn’t want this lifestyle for you, for us. But that was just an excuse to do something that I thought I had wanted to do.
The first day I went to the clinic I had to talk to a counselor to make sure that this was what I really wanted. But I couldn’t stop crying long enough to explain to her how I really felt. On my day-two appointment, I was nervous and scared. Because I was so far along, I had to vaginally insert pills inside of me to start the process. Upon receiving the pills I went into the bathroom and held my stomach one last time and told you that I was so sorry and cried and cried… and cried. But I knew if I just shoved them inside of me I would have to go through with it, even if I changed my mind.
The four-hour wait for the medicine to get in my system was the worst four hours of my life. I couldn’t believe what I had done, I kept holding onto my stomach, wondering what was happening to you inside of me. Knowing that I was sitting there murdering my own baby, my own child, my own blood. After the four hours, the nurse called my name to start the procedure. I laid on the chair and the nurse kept pushing my hair back and telling me that everything was going to be okay. With my pants off I laid there apologizing to you over and over again. The medicine began to give me severe cramps and contractions. I was screaming and turning and twisting and I just wanted my mom or my dad to be in there holding me, helping me. I was digging my nails into the chair and started shaking and sweating really bad. I jumped out of my bed and ran down the hall to the bathroom with my IV in my arm.
My nurse came into the bathroom and I was screaming at her, demanding that she got out and gave me some privacy. It was at that very moment that I knew I didn’t want to finish the procedure. I wanted you, I wanted to take away all of the pain you were feeling. While in the bathroom as I was pushing to pee, something fell out of me and water went all over my thighs and was dripping down my legs. I began screaming and three nurses came into the bathroom to drag me back to my room while explaining to me that my water had just broke.
They held me down on the table and put an oxygen mask around my face. I was shaking so bad and by then was drenched in sweat. My head was shaking so bad, and I was kicking my legs. I saw the doctor walk into the room and she went to shake my hand and I just kept telling her, please don’t hurt me, please don’t hurt me. The last thing I remember is one of the nurses telling me that she was going to begin my sedation.
After what seemed a short while I woke up with no pants on, feeling embarrassed. I put my pants back on and sat down in the wheel chair. I was moved to a recovery room where I was left to think about what had just happened to us.
I am so sorry I chose to be so selfish. And I know that I will never get you back. I didn’t even give you a chance, to grow, or to become someone. I turned my back on someone that loved me. Someone that honestly needed me, for just five more months. I puked on the drive home from being so sick to my stomach from what I had just done. I think about you all the time. I wonder what you looked like, what your nose looked like, if you would have been my first boy or girl. I made the biggest mistake of my life. Something I will never choose to endure again. I hope that one day I get to meet you and explain to you why I made the selfish choice I made. I hope that you forgive me. I love you and you will always be my first child. I hope you hold part of me wherever you are and know that I wasn’t thinking right and I would do anything to have you back. I wish that I could hold you and kiss you. My mom gave me the gift of life, and I took that from you, and here I am, laying in my boyfriend’s bed crying about something that never was supposed to happen. I should have moved out, I should have told the nurse no when she asked me if I was sure I wanted to do this today, I should have listened to my heart and I should have been the best mom in the world for you. I just want you back.
I want to be your Mom now, when it’s too late.
I Love You.
I feel so empty inside.
Age: 20
Location: Ohio
Date: June 9, 2012
[quote]therajraj wrote: You know I’m not an advocate for abortion right?
I am simply stating there is no causal link between the abortion procedure and mental health issues. I feel like a broken record.[/quote]
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Pat,
So you are still not answering the question? Amazing…yet expected.
Feel free to answer the question, it’s simple really, would you be willing to pay more in taxes to support the aborted kids on public assistance? This is to the tune of 100’s of billions per year, I am sure you have no problem with footing that bill if your conscience is clear, correct?
You also have no problem with the increased crime rate presented by 1.6 million mostly unwanted children correct? Whether or not you believe in the argument presented in Freakonomics (and most right to lifers don’t) the data does tend to show decreases in crime related to the legalization of abortion.
I don’t care if you volunteer, I volunteer as well, so what. Are you feeding the 280,000 kids without lunches? I have never adopted, I probably never will, but I am also not telling women to have children they neither want nor can afford in order to feel as if I am doing my “christian duty”. In this scenario you should be adopting as many kids as you can fit in your house, you should then build an addition and adopt more.
I called you a hypocrite because I made a generalization based on your posts, that you are against raising taxes, you tend to call any argument you disagree with a “strawman” and you refuse to answer the simplest question above because you are faced with either lying or being exposed as a hypocrite. By the way, I am not passing judgment on you any more than you regularly judge others (on this very forum) so stop acting offended, I am merely calling you out for what you are.
When people want to change a law like abortion because they find it immoral, but aren’t also clamoring to either raise taxes or slash defense spending, hire more teachers, improve the infrastructure, invest in social welfare and improve the overall state of the country, they are very simply put, hypocrites.
Giving a shit about an unborn child is sweet, letting that child grow up in poverty and neglect because it’s “not my problem” is evil. So feel free to explain how you would change that, realistically that is, I’d love to see your answer. [/quote]
You’re presenting a strawman, so I shall not waste my time with it… The point is beyond idiotic. Most people live in poverty, by your paradigm it’d be better to kill them… This is stupid. And it does not change the fact that the life you are taking is a human one. Killing someone because they might be poor is way more evil then ‘letting’ a kid grow up in poverty.
You are introducing shit that doesn’t matter. Things that are not an issue. Do you know that ever murdered kid is better off for being murdered? That’s your reasoning? That’s your idea of social justice?
If you are so concerned about the poor, go help. There’s plenty you can do. Presenting a bunch of hypothetical against real actual is nothing but fail in every way a person can fail.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Giving a shit about an unborn child is sweet, letting that child grow up in poverty and neglect because it’s “not my problem” is evil.[/quote]
Interestingly, that was the exact same justification the Nazis gave when they started their “eugenics movement.”
I have personal knowledge how that process came to a final solution.[/quote]
But it’s better than letting them grow up poor, right?
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Giving a shit about an unborn child is sweet, letting that child grow up in poverty and neglect because it’s “not my problem” is evil. So feel free to explain how you would change that, realistically that is, I’d love to see your answer. [/quote]
It is their problem, but they will just blame it on the liberals somehow.[/quote]
When you prove that every aborted child is better off for having been killed, I may listen.
This is story #1398 about regretting abortion - Thirty years of torment. I had an abortion two months before turning 17. My mother, the preacher’s wife (my father died when I was 11), called the abortion center and put me on the phone. I tried to get out of it at the abortion center but they had my mom come in and talk to me because I kept crying. I felt like I didn’t have a choice. I always wished that I had been stronger and had slipped out the back door. I remember there was one man with a picket sign in front of the building. I remember how he had stopped and looked at me and I always think if he had said something I may have turned around. I needed someone to help me out of this. This has affected everything in my life. I’ve been married several times, I’ve had no self worth, I believe I could have been a better mother to my children if I wasn’t dealing with so much on the inside. I’ve finally stopped ignoring that it happened. I’ve been able to accept God’s forgiveness and with the help of my husband, I’m healing. There’s no way to go back and change things and living with this is truly torture.
Age: 47
Location: Indiana
Date: May 22, 2012
^ Peggy Clores’ mother, survivor of Auschwitz, and her father, a WWII Sergeant.
Daughter of Auschwitz survivor compares WHO to Hitler over abortion guide
by Katie Craine Tue Jun 26, 2012
HUNTINGTON, New York, June 26, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) â?? A close descendent of some of the millions of victims of the Nazi Holocaust has penned an open letter to the World Health Organization (WHO), slamming the organization for promoting the killing of unborn children in its recent abortion guide.
A new edition of the guide, â??Safe abortion: technical and policy guidance for health systems,â?? was released this month. It details the most effective ways to kill unborn children at various stages of the unborn childâ??s development.
Speaking to the WHO, Peggy â??Lennonâ?? Clores of Huntington, New York writes that there is no doubt that a unborn child is human, and says: â??like Hitler, you hide the evidence from the world and from your heart.â??
Cloresâ?? grandparents were killed at Auschwitz, while her mother famously survived the infamous concentration camp thanks to her musical talent: she was recruited by the Nazis to play in an orchestra in the camp.
She also criticizes the WHO for continuing to recommend abortion despite the evidence showing the physical and psychological effects that abortion has on women.
â??Women deserve better,â?? she writes, saying â??A â??healthâ?? organization cannot justify crimes against humanity.â??
â??This is beyond appalling and the extermination of human life has superceded Hitlerâ??s crimes against humanity to incomprehensible proportions. 1.5 million lives ended annually each year in the United States alone since 1973.â??
The WHOâ??s abortion guide includes estimates on unsafe abortion worldwide, the latest clinical recommendations to perform abortions, recommendations for â??scaling upâ?? services, and advice on policymaking and legislation.
Clores asks the WHO to â??end the madness.â??
â??In defense of all women and in memory of my grandparents exterminated in Auschwitz Concentration Camp, I urge you to live up to your responsibility to humanity and to your name. I urge your hearts and minds to confront the atrocities and end the deadening and rationalizations of your consciences.
â??I urge you to confront the reality of your â??healthâ?? counsel,â?? she concludes.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
This is story #1398 about regretting abortion - Thirty years of torment. I had an abortion two months before turning 17. My mother, the preacher’s wife (my father died when I was 11), called the abortion center and put me on the phone. I tried to get out of it at the abortion center but they had my mom come in and talk to me because I kept crying. I felt like I didn’t have a choice. I always wished that I had been stronger and had slipped out the back door. I remember there was one man with a picket sign in front of the building. I remember how he had stopped and looked at me and I always think if he had said something I may have turned around. I needed someone to help me out of this. This has affected everything in my life. I’ve been married several times, I’ve had no self worth, I believe I could have been a better mother to my children if I wasn’t dealing with so much on the inside. I’ve finally stopped ignoring that it happened. I’ve been able to accept God’s forgiveness and with the help of my husband, I’m healing. There’s no way to go back and change things and living with this is truly torture.
Age: 47
Location: Indiana
Date: May 22, 2012
Cool story brah. So you have someone that was semi-coerced and regretful before they had it that had regret about the abortion afterwards? That is shocking.
Why waste time with this? No one needs to post pointless stories of people that had abortions that they felt was the best decision they made given their circumstances
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Giving a shit about an unborn child is sweet, letting that child grow up in poverty and neglect because it’s “not my problem” is evil. So feel free to explain how you would change that, realistically that is, I’d love to see your answer. [/quote]
It is their problem, but they will just blame it on the liberals somehow.[/quote]
When you prove that every aborted child is better off for having been killed, I may listen.[/quote]
I wasn’t talking about abortion. I was saying poverty is everyone’s problem which Brian seemed to indicate otherwise.
But since you mentioned it, you can’t really say something is better off when it never existed.
Pat, Jewbacca, Countinbeans
yes when in doubt use the Hitler/Nazi, eugenics reference, well done. What you guys fail to recognize is that nobody is saying “make poor people get abortions” people are saying "let these women have a chance to break the cycle, or at least not bring in one more unwanted, uncared for child. When you always fall back on Nazis and the “final solution” I have to chuckle, Hitler was one man and his final solution killed millions, abortions are performed on 1.5 million women in the US each year, there is no “mastermind” forcing this action, this is 1.5 million women choosing this option independently, comparing the two really lets Hitler off the hook.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
This is story #1398 about regretting abortion - Thirty years of torment. I had an abortion two months before turning 17. My mother, the preacher’s wife (my father died when I was 11), called the abortion center and put me on the phone. I tried to get out of it at the abortion center but they had my mom come in and talk to me because I kept crying. I felt like I didn’t have a choice. I always wished that I had been stronger and had slipped out the back door. I remember there was one man with a picket sign in front of the building. I remember how he had stopped and looked at me and I always think if he had said something I may have turned around. I needed someone to help me out of this. This has affected everything in my life. I’ve been married several times, I’ve had no self worth, I believe I could have been a better mother to my children if I wasn’t dealing with so much on the inside. I’ve finally stopped ignoring that it happened. I’ve been able to accept God’s forgiveness and with the help of my husband, I’m healing. There’s no way to go back and change things and living with this is truly torture.
Age: 47
Location: Indiana
Date: May 22, 2012
Cool story brah. So you have someone that was semi-coerced and regretful before they had it that had regret about the abortion afterwards? That is shocking.
Why waste time with this? No one needs to post pointless stories of people that had abortions that they felt was the best decision they made given their circumstances[/quote]
This one time I couldn’t decide what color iPhone to get, I got the black one but now I really wish I had chosen the white one.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Pat, Jewbacca, Countinbeans
yes when in doubt use the Hitler/Nazi, eugenics reference, well done. What you guys fail to recognize is that nobody is saying “make poor people get abortions” people are saying "let these women have a chance to break the cycle, or at least not bring in one more unwanted, uncared for child. When you always fall back on Nazis and the “final solution” I have to chuckle, Hitler was one man and his final solution killed millions, abortions are performed on 1.5 million women in the US each year, there is no “mastermind” forcing this action, this is 1.5 million women choosing this option independently, comparing the two really lets Hitler off the hook.[/quote]
Just say strawman as your response next time they use a Hitler reference, its true and they always use that response on us.
Cortes and Kneedragger79. I have the studies in full for your review. Special thanks to anoynm for the help
http://www.scribd.com/therajraj1/d/98353437-Psychological-Responses-After-Abortion
http://www.scribd.com/therajraj1/d/98353422-More-on-Koop-s-Study-of-Abortion
http://www.scribd.com/therajraj1/d/98353415-Induced-Abortion-Mental-Health
http://www.scribd.com/therajraj1/d/98353389-Abortion-and-Long-Term-Mental-Health-Outcomes