The Abortion Thread Part 2

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
if it’s the same then why should one be legal and the other not?[/quote]

I don’t think they are the same, I said if they were morally equivalent, this is different than legally equivalent. If you want an answer to your question its easy…

  1. You think they are the same
  2. They currently have different legal standings, just do your research and there is your answer[/quote]

So the laws of a nation determine whats right and whats wrong? And if so then what about country’s that think differently? Are they wrong? Why? For that matter some states allow the death penalty and some don’t. Which states are right? Some states allow gay marriage and some don’t. Which states are right?[/quote]

The laws of a nation should certainly not determine what is right and wrong. And what is right and wrong should not determine the laws.[/quote]

No. You must expound. If not ‘right and wrong’ what then should the laws of a nation be based on?

I am taking this as a tacit admission that abortion is wrong.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Might as well stop the discussion if you need non secular arguments to make your point[/quote]

Oh wait so as long as the arguments stem from your world view and not others makes them valid?[/quote]

Who are you trying to convince in this thread? Christians or non-Christians?
[/quote]
What does that matter? Are you saying that non-Christians cannot value human life? That’s an odd thing to think.

He can, he’s on pretty solid ground.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
if it’s the same then why should one be legal and the other not?[/quote]

I don’t think they are the same, I said if they were morally equivalent, this is different than legally equivalent. If you want an answer to your question its easy…

  1. You think they are the same
  2. They currently have different legal standings, just do your research and there is your answer[/quote]

So the laws of a nation determine whats right and whats wrong? And if so then what about country’s that think differently? Are they wrong? Why? For that matter some states allow the death penalty and some don’t. Which states are right? Some states allow gay marriage and some don’t. Which states are right?[/quote]

The laws of a nation should certainly not determine what is right and wrong. And what is right and wrong should not determine the laws.[/quote]

No. You must expound. If not ‘right and wrong’ what then should the laws of a nation be based on?

I am taking this as a tacit admission that abortion is wrong.[/quote]

Of course its wrong, just like masturbation (in the privacy of home) but we don’t have laws against that do we? I’m sure if it were up to some people there would be laws against it. If we outlawed everything that was “wrong” who would get to decide what is wrong?

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
if it’s the same then why should one be legal and the other not?[/quote]

I don’t think they are the same, I said if they were morally equivalent, this is different than legally equivalent. If you want an answer to your question its easy…

  1. You think they are the same
  2. They currently have different legal standings, just do your research and there is your answer[/quote]

So the laws of a nation determine whats right and whats wrong? And if so then what about country’s that think differently? Are they wrong? Why? For that matter some states allow the death penalty and some don’t. Which states are right? Some states allow gay marriage and some don’t. Which states are right?[/quote]

The laws of a nation should certainly not determine what is right and wrong. And what is right and wrong should not determine the laws.[/quote]

No. You must expound. If not ‘right and wrong’ what then should the laws of a nation be based on?

I am taking this as a tacit admission that abortion is wrong.[/quote]

Of course its wrong, just like masturbation (in the privacy of home) but we don’t have laws against that do we? I’m sure if it were up to some people there would be laws against it. If we outlawed everything that was “wrong” who would get to decide what is wrong?[/quote]

Abortion = masturbation? I am going to ignore the utter ridiculousness, and re-ask, what should laws be based on?

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
if it’s the same then why should one be legal and the other not?[/quote]

I don’t think they are the same, I said if they were morally equivalent, this is different than legally equivalent. If you want an answer to your question its easy…

  1. You think they are the same
  2. They currently have different legal standings, just do your research and there is your answer[/quote]

So the laws of a nation determine whats right and whats wrong? And if so then what about country’s that think differently? Are they wrong? Why? For that matter some states allow the death penalty and some don’t. Which states are right? Some states allow gay marriage and some don’t. Which states are right?[/quote]

The laws of a nation should certainly not determine what is right and wrong. And what is right and wrong should not determine the laws.[/quote]

No. You must expound. If not ‘right and wrong’ what then should the laws of a nation be based on?

I am taking this as a tacit admission that abortion is wrong.[/quote]

Of course its wrong, just like masturbation (in the privacy of home) but we don’t have laws against that do we? I’m sure if it were up to some people there would be laws against it. If we outlawed everything that was “wrong” who would get to decide what is wrong?[/quote]

Abortion = masturbation? I am going to ignore the utter ridiculousness, and re-ask, what should laws be based on? [/quote]

I didn’t say they were equal, just that they are both wrong. What should they be based on? Certainly not what Pat thinks, as you are not the supreme ruler of all humans.

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Rubbin’ one out is wrong? What in the actual fuck?

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
if it’s the same then why should one be legal and the other not?[/quote]

I don’t think they are the same, I said if they were morally equivalent, this is different than legally equivalent. If you want an answer to your question its easy…

  1. You think they are the same
  2. They currently have different legal standings, just do your research and there is your answer[/quote]

So the laws of a nation determine whats right and whats wrong? And if so then what about country’s that think differently? Are they wrong? Why? For that matter some states allow the death penalty and some don’t. Which states are right? Some states allow gay marriage and some don’t. Which states are right?[/quote]

The laws of a nation should certainly not determine what is right and wrong. And what is right and wrong should not determine the laws.[/quote]

No. You must expound. If not ‘right and wrong’ what then should the laws of a nation be based on?

I am taking this as a tacit admission that abortion is wrong.[/quote]

Of course its wrong, just like masturbation (in the privacy of home) but we don’t have laws against that do we? I’m sure if it were up to some people there would be laws against it. If we outlawed everything that was “wrong” who would get to decide what is wrong?[/quote]

Abortion = masturbation? I am going to ignore the utter ridiculousness, and re-ask, what should laws be based on? [/quote]

I didn’t say they were equal, just that they are both wrong. What should they be based on? Certainly not what Pat thinks, as you are not the supreme ruler of all humans.[/quote]

So you don’t know why or how, but damn it, you know I am wrong? LOL! You apparently don’t know how I think, so you should refrain from pretending you do. I am certainly not, and never have been for theocracy.

You made the statement that the law should not be on ‘wrong or right’. What should the law be based on?

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Rubbin’ one out is wrong? What in the actual fuck?[/quote]

Hehe…

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Sounds like Nazi Germany in here.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Rubbin’ one out is wrong? What in the actual fuck?[/quote]

Apparently there are people who think that is wrong/evil/sinful/whatever you call it. If they were in charge of making our laws I just want to know what would prevent them from making that illegal too.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sounds like Nazi Germany in here.[/quote]

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
if it’s the same then why should one be legal and the other not?[/quote]

I don’t think they are the same, I said if they were morally equivalent, this is different than legally equivalent. If you want an answer to your question its easy…

  1. You think they are the same
  2. They currently have different legal standings, just do your research and there is your answer[/quote]

So the laws of a nation determine whats right and whats wrong? And if so then what about country’s that think differently? Are they wrong? Why? For that matter some states allow the death penalty and some don’t. Which states are right? Some states allow gay marriage and some don’t. Which states are right?[/quote]

The laws of a nation should certainly not determine what is right and wrong. And what is right and wrong should not determine the laws.[/quote]

No. You must expound. If not ‘right and wrong’ what then should the laws of a nation be based on?

I am taking this as a tacit admission that abortion is wrong.[/quote]

Of course its wrong, just like masturbation (in the privacy of home) but we don’t have laws against that do we? I’m sure if it were up to some people there would be laws against it. If we outlawed everything that was “wrong” who would get to decide what is wrong?[/quote]

The whole taking of an innocent human life part. Which we’ve already covered.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Rubbin’ one out is wrong? What in the actual fuck?[/quote]

Apparently there are people who think that is wrong/evil/sinful/whatever you call it. If they were in charge of making our laws I just want to know what would prevent them from making that illegal too.[/quote]

Well, the fact that it’s irrelevant to anyone else is a starting place. Abortion kills a human being. Spanking it, is just, well spanking it. I really don’t see where you could possibly go with this.
Even if wrong, it’s no where near the level of taking a human life. So it’s best not to continue down this path…

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Might as well stop the discussion if you need non secular arguments to make your point[/quote]

Oh wait so as long as the arguments stem from your world view and not others makes them valid?[/quote]

Who are you trying to convince in this thread? Christians or non-Christians?
[/quote]
What does that matter? Are you saying that non-Christians cannot value human life? That’s an odd thing to think.

He can, he’s on pretty solid ground.[/quote]

Typically non-xians are pro-choice. Tailor your arguments to your audience

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Might as well stop the discussion if you need non secular arguments to make your point[/quote]

Oh wait so as long as the arguments stem from your world view and not others makes them valid?[/quote]

Who are you trying to convince in this thread? Christians or non-Christians?
[/quote]
What does that matter? Are you saying that non-Christians cannot value human life? That’s an odd thing to think.

He can, he’s on pretty solid ground.[/quote]

Typically non-xians are pro-choice. Tailor your arguments to your audience [/quote]

That’s a ridiculousness proposition. I don’t tailor arguments to anyone. It’s just plain fact, and bottom line, so far every pro-abortionist on this thread admitted it’s murder, but for some weird reason, that’s still ok.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Might as well stop the discussion if you need non secular arguments to make your point[/quote]

Oh wait so as long as the arguments stem from your world view and not others makes them valid?[/quote]

Who are you trying to convince in this thread? Christians or non-Christians?
[/quote]
What does that matter? Are you saying that non-Christians cannot value human life? That’s an odd thing to think.

He can, he’s on pretty solid ground.[/quote]

Typically non-xians are pro-choice. Tailor your arguments to your audience [/quote]

That’s a ridiculousness proposition. I don’t tailor arguments to anyone. It’s just plain fact, and bottom line, so far every pro-abortionist on this thread admitted it’s murder, but for some weird reason, that’s still ok.[/quote]

Welp, you might as well refer to god in arguments as Forbes did.

Since tailoring your arguments to convince a certain audience is ridiculous and all.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Might as well stop the discussion if you need non secular arguments to make your point[/quote]

Oh wait so as long as the arguments stem from your world view and not others makes them valid?[/quote]

Who are you trying to convince in this thread? Christians or non-Christians?
[/quote]
What does that matter? Are you saying that non-Christians cannot value human life? That’s an odd thing to think.

He can, he’s on pretty solid ground.[/quote]

Typically non-xians are pro-choice. Tailor your arguments to your audience [/quote]

That’s a ridiculousness proposition. I don’t tailor arguments to anyone. It’s just plain fact, and bottom line, so far every pro-abortionist on this thread admitted it’s murder, but for some weird reason, that’s still ok.[/quote]

Meat is murder but most anti-abortionists think its still ok to not be a vegetarian, I think that is weird.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

Meat is murder but most anti-abortionists think its still ok to not be a vegetarian, I think that is weird.[/quote]

Are you a vegetarian?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

Meat is murder but most anti-abortionists think its still ok to not be a vegetarian, I think that is weird.[/quote]

Are you a vegetarian?[/quote]

I only eat veal, since its not full grown it does not have the all animal rights that an adult cow has.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

Meat is murder but most anti-abortionists think its still ok to not be a vegetarian, I think that is weird.[/quote]

Are you a vegetarian?[/quote]

I only eat veal, since its not full grown it does not have the all animal rights that an adult cow has.[/quote]

Seriously, are you a vegetarian?