The 280 Pound Bulk Topic

BENCH (yesterday)

Flat bench
135x5
185x5
200x5
235x3
235x4
255x1

Close-grip presses
205x4
205x3
205x2
205x5

BTN push press
140x5
140x5
140x5

Called it quits. I dunno if it’s work (got called in early; five hours of sleep and half a shift with no food makes me unhappy) or a loss in strength from dieting. I’m inclined to think the former, since the last three sets of benching went fairly easily. At that point I was starving, though.

Benching heavy twice a week may be too much for me. Probably skip squatting today, take a light bench day on Sunday and get back to a normal schedule on Monday.

Today was a friend’s wedding, so as far as cheat meals go I just had a shitload of carne asada, rice & beans and a few root beers. Brother-in-law’s drunk as fuck and he’s trying to get me or my sister to drop him off at the party again, so I may get some additional GPP in the form of dragging him (6’2, 250) to the car. Wish me luck

ME SQUAT
Box @parallel
135x5
225x5
245x5
275x5
306x5

SMOKED it. I was definitely having form issues. Did a couple sets of 4 without the box to see how I was doing. Depth is…okay, but I’m going to try to break at the knees more. Went really well. yesterday.

GM’s
205x6
210x6
215x6

Did sets of chins in between all this. All told it was;
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4
BWx3
BWx3

T-bar row
205x8
225x6
235x5

Shrugs
225x10
305x5
305x3

Had serious problems holding onto the bar during shrugs. Hands were sweaty and the bar kept rolling out of my palms. Think I’ll start using chalk.

Curls w/ straight bar
95x5
95x5
95x5

I think I might have weighed closer to 240 at the outset. Weighed myself on Saturday and weight was at 229. Feels like I lost more than six pounds, but progress is progress. Aside from a few sodas on Saturday and Sunday, diet’s been clean.

ME BENCH
Flat bench
135x5
185x5
200x5
230x5
230x4 ALMOST

Close grips
205x5
205x4
205x3

Seated military press
135x3
120x5
120x5
120x5

Lying triceps extensions w/ straight bar
95x10
95x10
95x8

Tried the seated presses from the front, but the movement felt a little weird so I just did them behind the neck like usual. Doesn’t seem to bother my shoulders. Pins were set at around chin level.

Had good speed during the last set with 230, but I just tired out.

[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
It’s a generalization to say that deadlifts help your squat or vice versa. It depends on biomechanics, to a high degree.

I have a 520 lb deadlift but barely a 350 lb squat. In my case, and many others who are “mainly erectors” when deadlifting, the discrepancy between the squat and dead can be large and so the lifts are almost totally unrelated. [/quote]

New powerlifters can almost always deadlift more than they can squat - after a few years of training the squat should be quite alot heavier than the dead

RE SQUAT

135x5
225x5
245x5
275x5 (all w/ box)
275x6

Wanted to go for max reps on the last set, and I had plenty more in the tank, but two things happened. One was that I put on a belt (which I’m really not accustomed to using) and it slipped off my jeans on the third rep. The second thing is that I wore jeans, so of course they ripped. But the reps were clean and smooth, and I felt like I could have gotten ten or more. Next time.

Pin pulls (pins about 4 inches above ankles)
225x6
265x8
290x5

Switched to pullups instead of chins, and it went like;
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4
BWx3
BWx3

T-bars
205x10
225x8
230x6

Curls for the gurlz
95x5
100x5
100x6 (I cheated)

I’ll probably start doing GMs on my RE days for assistance work, but I felt like I had to throw some deads in there so I don’t blow ass at them any more than I already do. Feels good to be back on a schedule.

[quote]biggerthanu123 wrote:

New powerlifters can almost always deadlift more than they can squat - after a few years of training WITH EQUIPMENT the EQUIPPED squat should be quite alot heavier than the dead[/quote]

Fixed it.

bulking doesn’t mean obesity and since when does putting on body fat have anything to do with putting on muscle???

LMAO at needing body fat to gain muscle…lol you guys think that is how it really works…not a good sign for T-Nation

Not much, except that when you put on a large amount of muscle in a mass addition phase, an unfortunate consequence is the addition of some body fat due to the caloric excess needed to ensure timely recovery, continued progress over a sufficient frame of time and continued supercompensation over the same period.

The amount of body fat added depends on a number of factors, ranging from the parasympathetic nervous system activity and BMR of the individual to the dietary control. I have seen many lifters of average or above average height gain 5-10 pounds of muscle while putting on miniscule amounts of fat, haven;t seen a significant number of lifters add 50 or so pounds of muscle without bulking up to some degree. Thats why mass addition and leaning out cycles are part of a bodybuilding program. Age, genetics and hormone levels with or wothout exogenous supplementation do play a role here.

[quote]Jhuczko wrote:
bulking doesn’t mean obesity and since when does putting on body fat have anything to do with putting on muscle??? [/quote]

LMAO at reading comprehension. Who said you NEED body fat to gain muscle? Enlighten us.

[quote]
LMAO at needing body fat to gain muscle…lol you guys think that is how it really works…not a good sign for T-Nation[/quote]

Troll on, brahhhh! 3 years down, many more to go.

RE BENCH (Sunday)

Seated military press
115x10
120x7
125x6
130x6
135x6

Flat bench, pinkies on rings
135x8
200x8
210x6

Close grips
205x5
205x5
205x5

That was it. Got the shit kicked out of me at work today, but at least I’ve been eating clean. I’ll squat in a bit.

ME SQUAT (Monday/Tuesday)

Box squat, box @ parallel
135x5
225x5
245x5
275x5
311x5 (last rep was ugly, but got it)
311x4 (no box, watching my form)

This was a slightly confusing session. I’m fairly certain I did 311 for a set of five, then took off around 20 pounds in preparation for good mornings. Then again, I might have forgotten to put on the 20 lbs in the first place and not done 311 at all. Dunno. My legs sure feel like they did, though.

GMs
205x8
210x7
220x6

Pullups
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4

Pulls from 1-pin (about a foot off the ground)
225x8
265x6
290x5

Curls
95x5
100x5
100x5 (cheated a bit)

I believe I’ll go collapse now. No cardio, as I’m getting over strep.

ME BENCH

Flat bench
135x8
185x8
200x4
225x4
235x2
245x2
250x1
255x1

Reps and sets went up fast and easy.

Close grips
205x5
210x5
210x3

Seated military press
115x8
120x7
125x6
135x4 (I was so gassed at this point)

I’ll probably do some rotator cuff stuff tomorrow. Feeling good. Diet’s doing okay, but I’ve been hawking up snot every five seconds so I decided to give cardio a rest for a couple days. As a result my fat loss seems to have slowed down a bit. I’ll get back up to speed soon enough.

ME SQUAT

Decided to give Monday’s numbers another go. Box squat, box @ parallel-
135x5
225x5
245x5
280x5
310x5
310x2 (no box; went down and up smooth and easy, but I bounced against the pins on the second rep and almost had to dump the bar, so I said fuck it)

GMs
205x8
215x6
220x6 (going slow on these, but I’m ready to start ramping the weight way up. Feel like if I can get 300 for a few reps I should be good for a 400 squat or more)

Pullups in between all this
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4

Rack pulls from 1-pin
225x8
265x5
290x5

T-bars
200x10
225x8
235x6

Curls w/ straight bar
95x5
100x5
100x7 (cheated up last two reps)

I’m pleased. I’m on target so far with my reps and weights. Fat loss has slowed down because I elected to take a break from cardio (what with my cold and all) but come Monday I’ll be hard at it again.

RE BENCH

Seated military press
115x10
120x8
125x6
130x6
135x6

Flat bench, ring finger on rings
135x8
205x7
215x6-7 (I forget; I’ll explain why)

Lying tri extensions
95x10
100x10
105x10

I was done by my second set of bench, but I gritted my teeth and the second set went up as easily as the first. Attitude is a powerful thing, I guess.

ME SQUAT (Wednesday)
Box squat
135x5
225x5
245x5
280x5
311x5

Pullups;
BWx5
BWx5
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4

GMs
205x8
210x6
220x6
225x6

T-bars
205x10
225x7
235x6

Curls
90x5
95x5
100x5

I’d been up around 18 hours at this point. Bedtime never felt so good.

I just got off work, and I have to be back in 7 hours.

Fuck.

Bench tomorrow.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

IMO its dumb to go over 12% BF when bulking, just makes you look and feel like shit

[/quote]

I disagree to a certain extent. Im up around the 26% mark and bulking. Its a good to take a break from cutting. Mind, if you can cut for long periods of time then good for you.

Admitadly the OP realy needs a cut.

Can i make a suggestion? The workout your doing id suggest has a pretty low metabolic cost. Fair doos, big lifts etc but have alook at this, its explains it better than i do.

http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1589833&cr=

I forget what my bench numbers were last time, except that I hit 260 for an easy single.

ME SQUAT
Box @ parallel
135x5
225x5
270x5
290x5
315x5

GMs
200x8
220x6
225x6

Pullups
BWx5
BWx4
BWx4
BWx4

T-bars
200x10
225x8
235x6

Curls with EZ bar
90x8
95x6
95x6
95x6

Diet has completely jumped the rails this past week and a half. I’m back to eating clean, and I’ll start up cardio again tonight.

I agree, and I actually plan to start doing some supersets for smaller muscle groups. And I’m trying to get more volume in general, particularly in terms of bench.

The plan was, get the lifts up to around 3-4-5, get the diet under control, lose some fat and then do a long slow clean bulk switching between a bodybuilding template and Westside every few months.

ME BENCH (Wednesday)

Flat bench, pinkies on rings, no arch
145x8
195x8
210x4
230x4
245x2
250x1

Military press to push press
115x5
125x5
130x5
135x5
140x5

That was it. My shoulder and left arm have been bothering me since last Monday. I was doing my good mornings like normal, but I was so shagged out I let my upper back relax during most of the sets and ended up with a lopsided bar pressing on the back of my shoulder. This with all the benching I’ve been doing has left me mighty tender the past couple days, hence Wednesday’s shitfest.

I’m going to take a break from heavy benching entirely for a week or two and concentrate on overhead presses, light close grips and floor presses. I’ll see how I do then. After that I plan to switch ME exercises every three weeks or so, as it looks like push ‘n’ pray no longer does it for me.

[quote]LUEshi wrote:
INFO:

I’ve been training on a consistent basis since August of 2007, and not so consistent since July of '06 after a layoff of around two years or so from 2004-2006.

I started July of '04 at a fairly solid 215, but had to gorge myself to get there. I rapidly lost weight due to heat, lots of walking and poor nutrition (I was in Brazil at the time) and ended my stint looking very bad @ 165 or thereabouts.

Came back, made a commitment to gain that muscle back and started lifting again. I had (have) fairly limited resources; lifting in the garage was kind of inconvenient. I gave a simple 20 rep squat routine a whirl and ate everything not nailed down. 3 protein shakes a day, 1/2 to a gallon of milk daily, bananas, lots of chicken, lunchmeat and cheese, etc. Got up to around 190-200, and I’d say about half that weight was muscle. Started doing a Westside template and was into it for a couple months.

Things came to a screeching halt when the garage was ocupado for about three months, so in that time I said fuck it, bought a rack & a bench off newyorkbarbells.tv (great place, btw; very cheap and dependable) got back one of my bars and a stack of weights, and built myself a platform in my room.

Now I had ample training space, and could begin in earnest. Made huge gains on Westside- bench went up from 200 to 255 in four months (down from 235 during that forced 3 months layoff) squat is finally a good bit over 300, so’s the deadlift and it looks like I might actually hit 200 in the overhead press for the first time ever.

However, I feel myself getting a bit…itchy. I’m making good progress (with minor changes) with my current routine, but I’m tired of being a short small dude in a big man’s world. I’m going to continue on with Westside until April (when I’ve planned to hit a bench in the 275-300 range, squat & dead in the high 300’s/low 400’s, shoulder press around 185-200, etc) so that I have a decent strength base, and THEN:

bulk until I’m 280 pounds. 280 GOOD pounds. Not "fat guy with nice forearms) 280, or “improbably ripped to the bone 280” (yeah right), but just two hundred and eighty solid, fair-amount-of-muscle-tissue, not-too-worried-about-fat-‘cause-I’m-eatin’ clean pounds.

I don’t really have a specific timeframe other than the beginning of 2009. I’d like to switch a five day conventional split, reps north of six but south of ten and a commensurate number of sets. I feel like I’d respond well to the variety, but of course I accept advice and counsel from those far, far wiser than I.

I’ll post pictures of the then and the now, and talk a bit more about nutrition, specifics about the split, progress I’m currently making, etc. For now I’ll just give you the stats and quit typing.

STATS:

5’9
235 lbs (approximately)
Don’t really know my measurements but I’ll put them up later
Bench 1RM: 260
Squat 1RM: 340
Deadlift 1RM: 370
Overhead press 1RM: 170 (don’t really max out on these)
Chinups for reps: 6 but I normally keep it below so I can do more sets and get better at them[/quote]

OOOO-kk… I like your determination, but i dont think fine tweaking the workout is going to achieve that goal. Nutrition is.

You basically need to diet down to 15%, which is the percentage that you mention - “i’m eatin clean so dont worry bout fat etc”.
THEN you need to concentrate on bulking smartly, watching your calories very carefully. Sadly i think it is alot easier coming from the other direction than you, ie. skinny to bulk than overweight to good composition.

How did you Get to the position you are in? Plus when you were happier with your shape you mention you were at least half muscle… thats a BF% of 50%!! surely not?!

I like your set-up, (your strength is nice too) but you know you need to put years of hard work in and out of the gym to get to the goal you want- especially as you are a mere 5’ 9"? I mean it, you could do it with 50% fat in a couple years… but to achieve that in less than 8 years IMO is verging on impossible, and i may be pessimistic, but to achieve that without steroids IS impossible. Thats Pro bodybuilder stats, 5’ 9" 280lbs contest, 315lbs off-season! (Shredded 280lbs at that!)

I commend your goal, and i probably share it myself, but you need to be realistic. It is about eating more but keeping fat in check as well, thats when it starts to slow the fuck progress down!

Do you use gear? I hope so, and in that case i will talk to you in the Steroids section too!

PM me if you want any help with specifics, i am a sucker for the underdog!

Joe

[quote]LUEshi wrote:

Frankly I expected to get pasted a lot worse. The guys on here know their stuff, which is why I wanted their opinion. I know I’m nothing special. But I wanted to know what to do, and now I do. Can’t really get pissed off at anyone for not sparing my tender feelings.[/quote]

I read that and can’t help but wish you good luck! I haven’t been here too long, but it’s so rare to see someone ask for advice that is not dumb/asshole.