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To recap where things are at based on the posts here and above, your entire argument right now is hinging on two main points:

  1. That the continental squat is the best way to do a good morning
  2. That I haven’t done it and should do it before I have an opinion.

I will address the latter first, and then the former.

This is false and, despite me previously warning you not to make this assumption, you still believe this.

I tried this after you started posting like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, I just thought it was extremely overrated and not worth it considering my valid critiques when comparing it against other ideas. Since you now know that I’ve done it I now anticipate a 180 of your argument after your “do the lift first, then give an opinion” and all that jazz you were pretty insistent about earlier and now.

You keep using this snuck premise [1] and you keep giving terrible reasons for it. I’m not going to consider it “best” until you actually give good reasons that it is. The “hinging action”, being “loose”, it being debatably safer than unracking a bar, and other reasons are not necessarily good ones since they do not address the reasons why I choose to not regularly employ the continental style at this time.

Please stop saying something is “best” and then giving terrible reasons to defend it. Your snuck premise isn’t fooling me and so far you’ve failed to support this premise enough to cause me to rethink any of my points.

I’m not a fan of your insinuation here–especially as I understand quite well what you are saying, thank you. I’m really getting tired of having to ask you not to venture into ad hominem territory. The fact that you keep doing it is an indicator to me of either the lack of strength of your argument, the lack of strength regarding your ability to communicate it, or both.

This is honestly just a simpler restatement of one of my points, all of those things that keep you from loading it heavy enough are things that keep me from wanting to do it. Especially considering it “can still hurt anyone”, I think it’s just not worth the squeeze compared to other things that I believe work better in my opinion.

This is really funny coming from someone who resurrected this discussion after a couple of months by quoting me to “test a quote here” and then saying this like I had the nerve to bring this up again when we both know you are responsible for bringing this discussion back to life when I had no problem keeping it where it was. The fact that you quoted that is passable if you wanted to test out formatting, but saying you’re just testing something and then making an entire post dedicated to giving counterarguments and responses to my original post that you quoted is a glaring indicator right from the start of this conversation of your intentions. Like I said before, if you wanted to test formatting then quote yourself instead of someone else’s response to your controversial opinion and then suddenly acting like you’re the recipient of someone else being compelled to continue this discussion after it happily came to a close a couple months ago…I’m not necessarily compelled to have this discussion by your phrasing…but for the sake of argument, even if I was this is the pot calling the kettle black and the irony is not lost on me.

I hate doing comparisons like this, but if you really want to go there…

First part is taken straight from my bio, since you haven’t done your homework before making this claim:

CORE:

Full Planche - 2 seconds
Front Lever - 10s
Back Lever - 7s
Human Flag - 5s

I also worked up to 15 strict form dragon flags a couple years ago and have retained a significant degree of that strength.

I am very interested to hear your reasoning behind your opinions regarding my lagging overall core strength.

SQUAT AND DEAD:

Squat: coming along nicely after neglecting it for much if not almost all of my lifting journey to date (starting with calisthenics/weighted calisthenics does that)

Dead: last I checked I hack deadlifted 510…which, according to your log, is 5 pounds more than yourself…

I’m not saying I’m better than anyone but it really annoys me when people use comparative opinions to grasp at straws after the rest of their points don’t stand very well on their own.

@freshyfresh I love your sense of humor. Props to you, sir.

  1. “a controversial and unsupported assumption that someone includes in their argument as if it’s necessarily true” ↩︎

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I’ve conventional deadlifted 475 from the floor years ago.

About a year ago I got 450 from the floor conventional.

Conventional is what matters.

Was your 510 hack dead elevated with those crash pads?

I don’t consider any of my lifts strong, btw. I’m weak little man working to change that.

My argument for the continental squat being the best way to do a good morning is because I’ve done 180# with that and well I’m not even gonna try that much via conventional good morning.

Why is hinging so important and this basis for a good morning? Are you going by this to improve deadlift and squat or spinal erector building?

Btw I searched videos on good mornings with minimal 180# and heavier, not one did I see a great hinge. The hip position is the same as my continental squat and in fact when you work the bar up the back the hinging is better from what I see and felt.

Eric Bugz did a continental style with like 350 and the hinge on it was badazz best thing I’ve ever seen!

I also brought up that you are bigger and stronger because you started the dik measurement stuff with echoing how much more you can do tricep extension pushups with…….

Well when I was your age I had several strongman contests under my belt, a total of 15 from age 25-30.
I’ve carried 600# farmers walks, I’ve held 530# farmers for over a minute, I’ve carried a 710# yoke beltless at 180# BW I’ve flipped a 1,000# tire and flipped 700# for 10flips in 90seconds.
That’s CORE strength!
Yes, my gym lifts sucked…..

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According to you and your standards.

Yes, although before you say slight elevation is cheating I think we could also take into account that it’s a greater percentage of my bodyweight and at a shorter height when compared to your anthropometry.

Then delete your last paragraph in your last post and stop bringing stuff like that up? I don’t really care who’s stronger.

According to the Brzycki formula my barbell good morning 1RM is currently 193+. If you pay attention to form and progress carefully it’s not that unheard of to hit this number.

Not being able to do that weight on a good morning is a bad reason to say they’re not as good as something else. Good is good, how much you can do or not do does not determine which lift is better. I could just as easily say that since I’m weak at back squats they’re not as good as others but my weaknesses are a terrible reason to decide what’s actually better.

Here’s this same snuck premise again. What good reasons make this “better”? You keep failing to adequately address this with good reasons for why it’s actually better and it’s getting annoying and I’m not going to keep letting this snuck premise slide.

I did that because you were saying grapes were amazing and better and all that in that conversation. I threw that in there as tangible evidence that I’m doing just fine without them. I don’t care if I lift more than you or anyone else, I simply included that to sufficiently and comprehensively address that singular point by providing tangible evidence that suggests I am doing just fine on my own. I’m certainly not losing sleep over who lifts more.

Your achievements do not invalidate my point because your personal highlight reel does not in any way address your reasoning behind you saying I need to work on my core strength. You’re just avoiding the point by saying you have core strength and avoiding explaining why I apparently don’t. Regardless of what you do I have a strong core and provided examples, so what’s your reason for still saying otherwise? Still waiting.

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What makes you think I think elevated lifting is cheating?

Now you are assuming……..

The best way to learn to pull is at a block height at ones height and frame etc. BUT that is also used to get stronger at a standard height off the floor.

The only time it has zero carryover is at knee height, I would even say an inch below the knee is too high.
All that does it strengthen lockout which isn’t a bad thing but it has no carryover to stating the deadlift from the floor.

@Moonflower I’ll adress this right now, show me a good morning with a better hinge than this Bugz vid, he’s doing this with 315, show me a better good morning and I’ll gladly surrender, 25 seconds, look at that FKING hinge baby, nothing else like it!!!until then……

Actually there’s one guy Spencer Graciano I probably butchered his name, he does heavy bottoms up good mornings with lots of weight but he ain’t hinging. Check him out. That still doesn’t discount what I say. I will wait for you to provide a vid on the net of a standard good morning with better hinging………

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I was preemptively addressing a potential argument without making assumptions due to your statement about how conventional is what matters.

What is your definition of a “better” hinge? You still seem allergic to defining with good reasons what makes a hinge “better” or “best”. I’m not going to waste time looking up videos to prove ideas and concepts you still aren’t going to clearly define.

Based on my observation in other discussions I’m not holding my breath on this.

A good morning is literally a hip hinge with a bar on your back. It’s literally impossible to do a good morning and not hinge.

I’m kinda over waiting around for actual reasons as to your definition of best and how that translates to real world outcomes that sufficiently address my concerns.

You can say whatever you want and share whatever you want but I’m not expecting to suddenly hear anything closer to what I’ve been waiting for. Either the “best” snuck premise leaves this convo or I do.

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Ooga dude, this is interesting………

You are the dude bringing up hinging…..now you don’t want to go searching to prove your point, yet you wanted me to prove my argument to you?

I googled what a hip hinge position is, it sticking out the glutes and keeping a straight back and lowering the upper body.

In the vid bugz is demonstrating this perfectly.

Here’s a vid of bugzs doing a 500# good morning. He’s using a yoke bar or something which I know nothing about, but it places the load lower which seems like a way to good morning heavier loads than a barbell? According to what a proper hinge is, he’s not doing that here. He is rounding lower back which Google says hinging should not involve the lower back

451

Honest question, what’s your deal with Eric bugenhagen? Ever since I started engaging with you, you just seem to be a stochastic parrot of him

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I was thinking like Eric over 20 years ago in regards to pioneering lifts.

For instance I started doing super yoke squats starting from the bottom in 2003. The bottom up squat I learned from Brooks Kubrick and Paul Anderson but I started doing them on the super yoke out of instinct.
Now the yoke squat is an actual event in some strongman contests.

I also, before Eric ever came along was familiar (but not doing) behind the back deads. In fact my lifting partner Zercher deadlifted from the floor 405 back in 2004. So I’ve been around those lifts and I was familiar with and around contests involving the Diesel Crew those guys were the first to post internet vids.

Anyway, Eric’s style fits me best, but I also recently discovered Marvin Eder, interesting enough I found something I’m doing that he preached. It’s in the interview I posted with him at age 83 or something.

Everyone in this vid I’ve trained with or competed in a contest with at least once

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Double post, deleted.

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Thanks for the response. I was curious

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No problem, I understand that I probably came off a certain way around here.

You guys have taught me things, I’m working on it too. Just please know that, and I have made a ton of mistakes in lifting.

What I do and what I might be finding out works for me, might not work for everyone.

There are things I’m doing now just reading some posts here that I wish I would have done decades ago and @Moonflower even had a hand in because he mentioned the hip hinge. I never even thought about hinging as much as I do now, I knew about keeping a flat back from Olympic style lifting but wasn’t thinking about hinge.

I still have my style and ideas though. I still believe we all have to find our own way because we may need to tweak things to suit our own frames and builds.

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Friday

Pencil neck shoulder laterals

Pull-ups up to 16#

Abs

Neck curls up to 90reps (brootal).

Saturday

EZ bar pullovers-
Up to 114 x2
Skull crushers with 104#

Floor press shoulder width grip up to-
177 x10
197 x2
207 x 2-sets of 2

All strict

Some hammer curls.

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Sunday

Barbell BORs
3-sets of 15 pyramid up.

Squats 109# x127 reps
Bar on shoulders the whole time. I’ve never done this many reps before!

I think 120 was my top years ago and 10 days ago was 126reps.

EZ curls heavy up to 105#

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What I’m about to say here is just theory, that’s it, it’s not personal.

So I these 100+ rep squats had my thinking because my entire body feels so worked, it’s wild!

So this got me thinking about this whole carnivore culture and such. See, after experiencing these squats we can duplicate our exercise similar (not exactly) but similar to how humans worked to chase animals and prepare food.

But here’s the thing, we are not our ancestors 100percent, so IMO being obsessed about carnivore isn’t the way to go.
Plus I don’t know the stats but I’m willing to bet they didn’t live much past age 50 dealing with all the wild danger. So they also didn’t live long enough to experience heart disease.

Now, these simulated exercise can be controlled in contrast to chasing an animal in an uncontrolled environment.

We have the advantage now and I feel after these workouts or even before others foods like fruit and very beneficial. Think how valuable fruit would be to replenish one’s self after the chase.
Even processed foods IMO can be useful here, and yes, CARBS!

Again, theory but I believe I’m on to something…..

Walking up my steps my knees feel so worked from them squats, the tendons feel stronger, my arms from holding the bar, my lungs are expanded and rock hard hours later.

459

Monday

I measured all my deadlift heights from the floor. Here’s the height chart depending on the bar and plates-

Standard Olympic bar with 45s - 8.75” (that’s the standard for mostly every conventional deadlift height).

Standard 1” bar with 100# plates - 8.25”

Standard 1” bar with 50# plates - 7.75”

Today I used the 50# plates so 7.75”

SLDL-
Up to
295 x 10 DOH
295 x 11 straps

Tricep extension pushups-
2-sets of 15
1-set of 21
Pyramid up.

The SLDLs felt better than ever. I focused on the bar moving in a vertical line and not having my shoulders pull the weight, focused on pushing hips thru. Bar moved excellent.
Decades of trying to master 315 for sets of 10, I think I might finally be there. 305 should be no problem next time.

Using crappy muscle form all those years just had the weight shifting in all kinds of non efficient ways that I never realized.

Plus I would just keep pulling and gutting out 15 reps with that form which just causes bad recovery issues.

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Tuesday

Standing incline ladder press, wide grip-
Up to-
131 x12
152 x2
157 x3

I’m not only happy that I did 2-sets with over 150, but I got 3reps on 157. I wasn’t expecting that.

Thick dumbbell thumbless curls 2-sets ea arm 25reps, 26reps pyramid

Neck curls- up to 100reps!

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Wednesday

Flyes with the hammer curl bars-

Sets of 10 up to-
47# ea x 2-sets of 10

Decided to go 10s today and next week hit my 2s.

Calf raises (worked these in between the flys)
BW x125reps, 11# x200reps, oh yeah!

JM presses thick handle dumbbell x 20ea top set, oh I only got 18 with my left.

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Thursday

Block deadlift 10.75” height (1/2”lower than last time)-

Up to
390 x2 no belt
420 x 2-sets of 2reps

All time PR for volume!

My all time best double was 425 x2 with a flexi deadlift bar at a fat 220# BW. And that destroyed my back from poor form. I think this beats that anyway.

I had to film this from my computer cause YouTube blocked Trivum and added copyright free music with it

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Really happy how these deadlifts went for my back, this felt excellent and my back feels awesome today!

This takes me back 25 years to the feeling I had first hitting high 200s and 300s in the deadlift, what a great feeling that was in my back.

Then it turned to shit for the next 20+ years and I actually stopped doing conventional for a long time.

Looks like I wasn’t training the right areas and pulling wrong. I also got caught up in the training hard and applying that too much and too often to posterior chain movements fucking up my recovery.

This is the greatest feeling, the deadlift. The feeling of constructing python sized erectors is the ultimate “high”!
I can see the line in my back getting deeper, so cool!

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Friday

Pencil neck shoulder laterals!

EZ tricep standing extension-
3-sets
20, 25, 25 pyramid

Here is why bigger deadlift = hypertrophy-

Last night I devoured 1.5# of Salmon at 11pm

Woke up hungry - ate a bagel with PB

Ran errands no time to cook

Ordered a double sausage patty, double bacon, double egg with cheese everything bagel sandwich and sucked it down like Linda Love Lace. (Who knows her?) lol.

I’m still hungry.

Do I feel guilty, fuk no cause I’m still hitting the weights today!

Heavy deadlift = stimulation in appetite

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