[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Looking for the difference in people blinds you to all the similarities we share, and the kindness that is possible.[/quote]
So beautiful!
Class, please do not prolong Tiger Time. Tiger Time gets cut short during Day Lights Savings in the summer.
Tune in next Fall for more Tiger Time…but until then…goodnight, tigers…and may Black Jesus be with you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Class, please do not prolong Tiger Time. Tiger Time gets cut short during Day Lights Savings in the summer.
Tune in next Fall for more Tiger Time…but until then…goodnight, tigers…and may Black Jesus be with you.[/quote]
Dude, if you acknowledge it’s presence at all it will not go away. All it wants is attention. If we just ignore it, it will just go away.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Class, please do not prolong Tiger Time. Tiger Time gets cut short during Day Lights Savings in the summer.
Tune in next Fall for more Tiger Time…but until then…goodnight, tigers…and may Black Jesus be with you.[/quote]
What do you object to in his post?
Earnest question. It seems very objective to me.
I was raised and currently live in New Orleans, La. I was raised in a family that avoided racist posture and thoughts. I was raised not to use the slang and hate another human being for their skin color nor their religion. My best friend was a black man. My first girlfriend was Filipino mixed with Caucasian. I dated Vietnamese, Spanish, French (Cajun) and white girls/ women. I am a person considered white who is mixed with Italian, Irish and Spanish. I always thought everywhere was like it is down south. Mixing of the races in this port city of music, drink and fun is quite common. So is the hate. Our city is predominately black in the inner city and mixed but, mostly white in the surrounding parishes / cities. Racism is alive and well down here. Violent crime (especially murder, assault, armed robbery and rape) has always been sky high per capita down here. A large percentage of these crimes are committed by young black males. I always think it comes down to the percentage of races a city has and that group’s education and economic circumstances. The black population is by no means the only race committing all the crimes down here. A higher percentage of crimes seem to be committed by lower income residents in our city.
I feel hate on a almost hour by hour basis from the black population on the highway, when we shop, at the workplace and when we go out. I feel little to no racism from any other race in our city. Very, very often I feel and see the young black population act hostile towards other races but, especially towards people they perceive to be white (including myself). I also have observed the thug element (which is predominately black and white young males) explode in the inner city. Over the past 20 years, I feel that this inner city negativity is rising to a crazy level. The white population (I would say most) has moved away from the inner city and vilified most black and/ or mixed neighborhoods. Racism is alive in New Orleans.
I do not want to feel afraid of any race or group of people. Our city’s residents ensure that we are. So much so that many choose to move thinking another city will not have the issues to the degree that we do. It is common knowledge that many blame young black males and especially ghetto residents and/ or lower income people (of all races). Statistics back up some of the fear. I don’t want to go through different statistics. I want to judge a person on how they treat me. I also do not want to fear for my life or my family’s lives. This is life in New Orleans. Each race can work and live and love hand and hand but, the hate is right on the surface. I don’t want to hate. Especially without giving someone a chance regardless of race, religion, sex, economic situation and background - job etc. Racism seems normal and not normal to me. It feels wrong but, actions can overrule one’s ideas and morals and upbringing. Down here - we fear for certain areas of town and overwhelmingly these are predominately black neighborhoods. Alot of people feel racism from the black residents (young and old). I feel it on such a regular basis that it does not even shock me as much as it used to.
I would hope that in this day and age that we would have progressed past alot of these issues but, to me - in New Orleans - they have worsened considerably.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Class, please do not prolong Tiger Time. Tiger Time gets cut short during Day Lights Savings in the summer.
Tune in next Fall for more Tiger Time…but until then…goodnight, tigers…and may Black Jesus be with you.[/quote]
What do you object to in his post?
Earnest question. It seems very objective to me.[/quote]
I cannot speak for Professor X, but I personally did not read his post. I refuse to read his posts or interact with him after reading a few of his posts in the other thread, where he actually pretended to know more about statistics than me and others who are highly educated on the topic and refused to acknowledge that he did not know what he was talking about even when presented logical, intelligent, and well reasoned responses from people on both sides of the main argument on that page and continued to use the kind of idiotic arguments and “proof” that I would expect of a teenager.
Hmmm what’s going on in here…
[quote]nunhgrader wrote:
I was raised and currently live in New Orleans, La. I was raised in a family that avoided racist posture and thoughts. I was raised not to use the slang and hate another human being for their skin color nor their religion. My best friend was a black man. My first girlfriend was Filipino mixed with Caucasian. I dated Vietnamese, Spanish, French (Cajun) and white girls/ women. I am a person considered white who is mixed with Italian, Irish and Spanish. I always thought everywhere was like it is down south. Mixing of the races in this port city of music, drink and fun is quite common. So is the hate. Our city is predominately black in the inner city and mixed but, mostly white in the surrounding parishes / cities. Racism is alive and well down here. Violent crime (especially murder, assault, armed robbery and rape) has always been sky high per capita down here. A large percentage of these crimes are committed by young black males. I always think it comes down to the percentage of races a city has and that group’s education and economic circumstances. The black population is by no means the only race committing all the crimes down here. A higher percentage of crimes seem to be committed by lower income residents in our city.
I feel hate on a almost hour by hour basis from the black population on the highway, when we shop, at the workplace and when we go out. I feel little to no racism from any other race in our city. Very, very often I feel and see the young black population act hostile towards other races but, especially towards people they perceive to be white (including myself). I also have observed the thug element (which is predominately black and white young males) explode in the inner city. Over the past 20 years, I feel that this inner city negativity is rising to a crazy level. The white population (I would say most) has moved away from the inner city and vilified most black and/ or mixed neighborhoods. Racism is alive in New Orleans.
I do not want to feel afraid of any race or group of people. Our city’s residents ensure that we are. So much so that many choose to move thinking another city will not have the issues to the degree that we do. It is common knowledge that many blame young black males and especially ghetto residents and/ or lower income people (of all races). Statistics back up some of the fear. I don’t want to go through different statistics. I want to judge a person on how they treat me. I also do not want to fear for my life or my family’s lives. This is life in New Orleans. Each race can work and live and love hand and hand but, the hate is right on the surface. I don’t want to hate. Especially without giving someone a chance regardless of race, religion, sex, economic situation and background - job etc. Racism seems normal and not normal to me. It feels wrong but, actions can overrule one’s ideas and morals and upbringing. Down here - we fear for certain areas of town and overwhelmingly these are predominately black neighborhoods. Alot of people feel racism from the black residents (young and old). I feel it on such a regular basis that it does not even shock me as much as it used to.
I would hope that in this day and age that we would have progressed past alot of these issues but, to me - in New Orleans - they have worsened considerably.[/quote]
Though it may have to do with racism, I think something is being missed.
Lol. I went to NO for a week to do research (I also lived there during winters). I “accidentally” turned off the wrong exit and got turned around. I pulled over into what seemed like a street hosting a DUB magazine photo shoot.
The first thing that happened when I decided to ask where I was, I got treated with hostility. Why? Probably bc I was a stranger, {though they loved my tall t with a lil wayne caricature on it). What did I do? Not act like I’m about to get mugged and treat the person like a person. They turned hospitable fast.
Actually invited us to his mom’s birthday crawfish boil. When you get treated badly by people you have a tendency to check them pretty harshly. Most white people that roll through their neighborhood treat them with suspicion, as well. They act scared and strange.
I live in a decent neighborhood when I’m not at school, I also live in the sticks when I go to school. I treat all strangers in both neighborhoods with extreme suspicion. If they act strange like they don’t belong there when we talk I tend to avoid them. If someone acts scared when they are around me, I assume they are up to no good.
Here are some civilized Black people in Southfield MI complaining about thug Blacks moving in from Detroit and ruining civilization for everyone.
http://www.suntimes.com/business/4045521-420/foreclosures-helping-change-color-of-some-suburbs.html
Is that racist?
What if White people said the exact same things? Would that be racist?
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Class, please do not prolong Tiger Time. Tiger Time gets cut short during Day Lights Savings in the summer.
Tune in next Fall for more Tiger Time…but until then…goodnight, tigers…and may Black Jesus be with you.[/quote]
Dude, if you acknowledge it’s presence at all it will not go away. All it wants is attention. If we just ignore it, it will just go away.[/quote]
You’re only mad because you thought your argument was much stronger than I showed it to be. No need to carry a grudge. I don’t carry one against you.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Class, please do not prolong Tiger Time. Tiger Time gets cut short during Day Lights Savings in the summer.
Tune in next Fall for more Tiger Time…but until then…goodnight, tigers…and may Black Jesus be with you.[/quote]
What do you object to in his post?
Earnest question. It seems very objective to me.[/quote]
I cannot speak for Professor X, but I personally did not read his post. I refuse to read his posts or interact with him after reading a few of his posts in the other thread, where he actually pretended to know more about statistics than me and others who are highly educated on the topic and refused to acknowledge that he did not know what he was talking about even when presented logical, intelligent, and well reasoned responses from people on both sides of the main argument on that page and continued to use the kind of idiotic arguments and “proof” that I would expect of a teenager.[/quote]
I gave you a counter argument, you just chose to “fail and bail” rather than acknowledge it. Ignoring my counter argument =/= refuting it. I don’t know who you are trying to fool, I was not presented with responses containing logic, intelligence or any variation of those words. Anyone can go to that thread right now and see for themselves which side was quick to lose their temper and stoop to shit-flinging. There was maybe two of you in total who could manage to keep their emotions and bias out of it. You were not one of them.
You don’t understand statistics better than me. If this were true, you would know that the 30% number you used in your argument was moot as soon as you saw it. I did.
[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
Here are some civilized Black people in Southfield MI complaining about thug Blacks moving in from Detroit and ruining civilization for everyone.
http://www.suntimes.com/business/4045521-420/foreclosures-helping-change-color-of-some-suburbs.html
Is that racist?
What if White people said the exact same things? Would that be racist?[/quote]
Good point. Despite what everyone seems to think, I have talked about my thoughts on race and the results of the studies I linked to in the other thread with my black friends. In fact, just today at school the topic of violent crime came up and I mentioned the homicide statistics to a black friend of mine of whom I’ve never spoken about this to in order to gauge his response.
Rather than getting wildly and irrationally defensive, he said this, word for word; “Well, There’s two ways to look at this. Either black guys have a serious killing problem, ORRRRRR black people make great vigilantes!”
He got a pretty good laugh from everyone. Was he racist against other blacks for not being a black apologetic? Was he an idiot for not simply denying the evidence multiple times, then using this redundancy as evidence he is right - as so many of you have done?
Where I am, race isn’t such a big deal and I can’t think of anyone I know who let’s their race affect how they value themselves. So, I think either there’s a strong cultural undercurrent in America that causes people to feel as though their respective race is something that requires constant guarding and defending, less their personal accomplishments be somehow vitiated, or the people here on T-Nation are pansies who lack the maturity to so much as entertain an idea that takes them outside their safety bubble. I haven’t been here long enough to make a call either way.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Though it may have to do with racism, I think something is being missed.
Lol. I went to NO for a week to do research (I also lived there during winters). I “accidentally” turned off the wrong exit and got turned around. I pulled over into what seemed like a street hosting a DUB magazine photo shoot.
The first thing that happened when I decided to ask where I was, I got treated with hostility. Why? Probably bc I was a stranger, {though they loved my tall t with a lil wayne caricature on it). What did I do? Not act like I’m about to get mugged and treat the person like a person. They turned hospitable fast.
Actually invited us to his mom’s birthday crawfish boil. When you get treated badly by people you have a tendency to check them pretty harshly. Most white people that roll through their neighborhood treat them with suspicion, as well. They act scared and strange.
I live in a decent neighborhood when I’m not at school, I also live in the sticks when I go to school. I treat all strangers in both neighborhoods with extreme suspicion. If they act strange like they don’t belong there when we talk I tend to avoid them. If someone acts scared when they are around me, I assume they are up to no good. [/quote]
That sounds exactly like New Orleans - especially the part about the invite. I want people to know there is alot of love with all of my people of all races but, you were visting - if you lived here, you might see or most likely feel more of what I was discussing. I like the points you made though. I do try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes that can cost you time to react in certain situations (defensive).
I do not know which is worse or easier:
Living somewhere where race and racism is always on the surface (meaning that it is known though not everyone shares in it.)
Or somewhere where racism is just as present but not acknowledged by much of the population because “we’re not racists”.
Sometimes, I feel that reverse racsism is almost justified by black people. Slavery, affirmative action (or lack thereof), those damn statistics and judgements based solely on skin color or dress - all of seem to add up to a general distrust of other (condemning) races (especially white/ caucasian).
Judging on skin color alone is so ignorant, ridiculous and petty. Sometimes I feel that most people can be guilty of this - even if not a raging racist.
Funny thing I hear alot (read alot) - one day - we all will be a nice copper brown of such mixed race that racism may be a thing of the past.
This is all fine and dandy if you want to remove racisim. But lets not turn this into a witch hunt.
example
I am french … ribbit ribbit!!!
Ohhhhhhh no I said something racist everyone walk on eggshells due to the hypersensitive political correctness police! Make sure you don’t say anything that might upset anyone gawd forbid.
Point is don’t turn this into a big pussy match about who can spot the racist. I am sick of being told what I can and can’t say for fear of offence.
[quote]nunhgrader wrote:
Sometimes, I feel that reverse racsism is almost justified by black people. Slavery, affirmative action (or lack thereof), those damn statistics and judgements based solely on skin color or dress - all of seem to add up to a general distrust of other (condemning) races (especially white/ caucasian).
Judging on skin color alone is so ignorant, ridiculous and petty. Sometimes I feel that most people can be guilty of this - even if not a raging racist.
Funny thing I hear alot (read alot) - one day - we all will be a nice copper brown of such mixed race that racism may be a thing of the past.[/quote]
Not singling you out, but the term “reverse racism” is fucking retarded. Racism is racism, no matter who’s doling it out. The term itself is inherently racist, and in a technical sense would imply that one is being the opposite of racist. Sorry, that just irritates the fuck outta me.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]nunhgrader wrote:
Sometimes, I feel that reverse racsism is almost justified by black people. Slavery, affirmative action (or lack thereof), those damn statistics and judgements based solely on skin color or dress - all of seem to add up to a general distrust of other (condemning) races (especially white/ caucasian).
Judging on skin color alone is so ignorant, ridiculous and petty. Sometimes I feel that most people can be guilty of this - even if not a raging racist.
Funny thing I hear alot (read alot) - one day - we all will be a nice copper brown of such mixed race that racism may be a thing of the past.[/quote]
Not singling you out, but the term “reverse racism” is fucking retarded. Racism is racism, no matter who’s doling it out. The term itself is inherently racist, and in a technical sense would imply that one is being the opposite of racist. Sorry, that just irritates the fuck outta me.[/quote]
Good point, whitey.
So true