[quote]nephorm wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”
Henry Kissinger
I don’t believe for one second that Henry Kissinger actually said that. He is too smart to say it, even if he thought it.[/quote]
Can we see some sort of link?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
nephorm wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”
Henry Kissinger
I don’t believe for one second that Henry Kissinger actually said that. He is too smart to say it, even if he thought it.
Can we see some sort of link?
[/quote]
You’re a big boy. You can google.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
nephorm wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”
Henry Kissinger
I don’t believe for one second that Henry Kissinger actually said that. He is too smart to say it, even if he thought it.
Can we see some sort of link?
[/quote]
All the citations say a variant of: Henry A. Kissinger, quoted by Monika Jensen-Stevenson, Kiss the Boys Goodbye, Dutton, 1990, Page 97, citing The Final Days, Woodward and Bernstein (Simon & Schuster, 1976
There is no other source for that quote, and I wonder what the context is or if he even said it.
It’s not a matter of what is true that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true.
~Henry Kissinger
“Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to
restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if
they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or
promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all
peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from
this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented
with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for
the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world
government.”
-Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992
“I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due
to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important
for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.”
– Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State under Richard Nixon, about Chile
prior to the CIA overthrow of the democratically elected government of
socialist President Salvadore Allende in 1973
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
–Henry Kissinger
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
nephorm wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”
Henry Kissinger
I don’t believe for one second that Henry Kissinger actually said that. He is too smart to say it, even if he thought it.
Can we see some sort of link?
[/quote]
Wikiquote has a whole list of them:
Wow, this thread has really progressed.
Actions speak louder than words. We get caught up in the meaning of everything we hear but rarely take time to actually look at the facts of what is going on and what people are doing. I bet if we were to sit in a room together we could see our similarities–I’d bet a large majority of us could even agree on many issues. Why do we point out the idiotic, meaningless words of individuals like they actually mean something?
Arguing a point based on some random witticism by an individual is inconsequential at best, at worst will be taken literally by those that are too ignorant to know better.
[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
“Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to
restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if
they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or
promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all
peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from
this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented
with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for
the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world
government.”
-Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992
[/quote]
Prove that he said this. This was supposedly said at a conference in which he was unwittingly recoreded by a Swiss delegate. I wonder which ‘Swiss Delegate’ it was… too bad, all the conspiracy theory websites that reproduce the quote fail to provide that information, or any further transcript.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Wikiquote has a whole list of them:
[/quote]
Anyone can put up quotes and pretend they are true.
We could decide to create an AlDurr wikiquote page with such gems as “To eat babies is divine, especially with A1 sauce.”
If I see such quotes attributed to public men, I want to see
a) the context of the quote, which means also providing access to the full statement, speech, or conversation
b) more than one source of the information. That’s why we get to read, over and over again, the “quote” from George HW Bush saying that atheists shouldn’t be allowed to be citizens. Gee, only one person ever heard him say that, and that person had an agenda? Go figure.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Arguing a point based on some random witticism by an individual is inconsequential at best, at worst will be taken literally by those that are too ignorant to know better. [/quote]
A witty saying proves nothing - Voltaire
[quote]nephorm wrote:
A witty saying proves nothing - Voltaire[/quote]
You cheeky SOB 
[quote]nephorm wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Arguing a point based on some random witticism by an individual is inconsequential at best, at worst will be taken literally by those that are too ignorant to know better.
A witty saying proves nothing - Voltaire[/quote]
“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator”
George W. Bush
[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator”
George W. Bush[/quote]
Yes, GW made a funny.
[quote]
jlesk68 wrote:
“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator”
George W. Bush
nephorm wrote:
Yes, GW made a funny.[/quote]
nephorm, you should know by now that there is no such thing as context…
[quote]nephorm wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator”
George W. Bush
Yes, GW made a funny.[/quote]
Yeeaahh…
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator”
George W. Bush
nephorm wrote:
Yes, GW made a funny.
nephorm, you should know by now that there is no such thing as context…[/quote]
If there had been a maniacal laugh afterwards, it’d be a cinch.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Glad to see Kerry has changed his opinion of the military recently…or not.
http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php
Oh boy, here we have the lying whores again.
Hmmm…calling 250 Swift Boat veterans ‘lying whores’…
…issues? Mental illness?
[/quote]
They did lie (we can all agree about that), not sure if they had sex for cash though.
[quote]100meters wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Glad to see Kerry has changed his opinion of the military recently…or not.
http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php
Oh boy, here we have the lying whores again.
Hmmm…calling 250 Swift Boat veterans ‘lying whores’…
…issues? Mental illness?
They did lie (we can all agree about that), not sure if they had sex for cash though.[/quote]
As it happens, a Swifty used to go to our church. He has since retired to Florida. His response to being called a ‘lying whore’ by you gentlemen would be rather swift (pun intended).
Guys, there’s only one lying whore Swifty and its Kerry. For example, he’d get a scratch, put in for a Purple Heart with a buddy superior. All the guys would protest that it was a scam, but it got approved anyway by Kerry’s pal.
You gents are calling very brave and honorable men vile names. Are you carrying on the good Senator’s traditions?
Come on, use your fucking heads. What’s more likely:
a) John Kerry, a decorated veteran (let’s not reignite that whole mess) whose presidential campaign was basically one long military parade, intentionally mocked the intelligence of American soldiers in a written speech, at a time when the American military is the most revered it’s been in 50 years.
OR
b) John Kerry, never a renowned orator, flubbed a snide joke about President Bush’s intelligence and work ethic, in spite of the hypocrisy of having a possibly inferior academic record.
I’d say B by a country mile, and wonder how anyone can really assume A. BB is absolutely right that Kerry should have apologized immediately, instead of letting his pride hurt his party’s chances.
And it kills me to have to defend John Kerry, an uninspiring flip-flopper I voted against two years ago. But the outrage against him strikes me as either manufactured or stupid, sometimes both.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
As it happens, a Swifty used to go to our church. He has since retired to Florida. His response to being called a ‘lying whore’ by you gentlemen would be rather swift (pun intended).
[/quote]
Would he break down and cry?
Confess his sins?
Or would he just shave, put on make-up and a nice dress and accept my money for a blow-job?
Because he is a lying whore you know?
Just for the record, how many of Kerrys purple hearts are questionable? All three of them?
How do you spin Al Gores service and his reasoning that “if he would not go, someone else in his home town would”?
As opposed to a drunk AWOL coke head who is overcompensating his lack of balls by putting other people into harms way?
You really can`t have it both ways.
[quote]orion wrote:
As opposed to a drunk AWOL coke head who is overcompensating his lack of balls by putting other people into harms way?[/quote]
Guess with which one Headhunter readily identifies?