Thank You, President Bush

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Gambles wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Is this the kind of freedom and democracy you send kids around the globe, to fight and die for?

Only the Jailers Are Safe

Ever since the world learned of the lawless state of American military prisons in Iraq, the administration has hidden behind the claim that only a few bad apples were brutalizing prisoners. President Bush also has dodged the full force of public outrage because the victims were foreigners, mostly Muslims, captured in what he has painted as a war against Islamic terrorists bent on destroying America.

This week, The Times published two articles that reminded us again that the American military prisons are profoundly and systemically broken and that no one is safe from the summary judgment and harsh treatment institutionalized by the White House and the Pentagon after 9/11.

On Monday, Michael Moss wrote about a U.S. contractor who was swept up in a military raid and dumped into a system where everyone is presumed guilty and denied any chance to prove otherwise.

Donald Vance, a 29-year-old Navy veteran from Chicago, was a whistle-blower who prompted the raid by tipping off the F.B.I. to suspicious activity at the company where he worked, including possible weapons trafficking. He was arrested and held for 97 days ? shackled and blindfolded, prevented from sleeping by blaring music and round-the-clock lights. In other words, he was subjected to the same mistreatment that thousands of non-Americans have been subjected to since the 2003 invasion.

Even after the military learned who Mr. Vance was, they continued to hold him in these abusive conditions for weeks more. He was not allowed to defend himself at the Potemkin hearing held to justify his detention. And that was special treatment. As an American citizen, he was at least allowed to attend his hearing. An Iraqi, or an Afghani, or any other foreigner, would have been barred from the room.

This is not the handiwork of a few out-of-control sadists at Abu Ghraib. This is a system that was created and operated outside American law and American standards of decency. Except for the few low-ranking soldiers periodically punished for abusing prisoners, it is a system without any accountability.

Yesterday, David Johnston reported that nearly 20 cases in which civilian contractors were accused of abusing detainees have been sent to the Justice Department. So far, the record is perfect: not a single indictment.

Administration officials said that prosecutors were hobbled by a lack of evidence and witnesses, or that the military?s cases were simply shoddy. This sounds like another excuse from an administration that has papered over prisoner abuse and denied there is any connection between Mr. Bush?s decision to flout the Geneva Conventions and the repeated cases of abuse and torture. We hope the new Congress will be more aggressive on this issue than the last one, which was more bent on preserving the Republican majority than preserving American values and rights. The lawless nature of Mr. Bush?s war on terror has already cost the nation dearly in terms of global prestige, while increasing the risks facing every American serving in the military.

FUCK YOU. yore not a patriot your a libral duchebag whom hates america & our troops. why else would he post this shit!

Wreckless lives in a country that is incapable of standing up against evil. He tries to justify that by saying that NO country should take a stand against evil. Like most Europeans, he is suicidal w/o even realizing it. He’ll sneer and insult, but its really his death-wish coming out.

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And like most americans, HH, you are a moron w/o realizing it. Talking about suicidal, why are all americans so fat?

[quote]karva wrote:

Wreckless lives in a country that is incapable of standing up against evil. He tries to justify that by saying that NO country should take a stand against evil. Like most Europeans, he is suicidal w/o even realizing it. He’ll sneer and insult, but its really his death-wish coming out.

And like most americans, HH, you are a moron w/o realizing it. Talking about suicidal, why are all americans so fat?[/quote]

Hey, back off, man. Finland is cool, what with fighting the Soviets; plus Finland was the only country to pay off its war debts to the USA. You Finns have balls.

Americans are fat because we have enough to eat, unlike most of the cesspool world.

The usa is the only first world country where some people dont have enough money to put food on the table regulary.

[quote]Ken Kaniff wrote:
The usa is the only first world country where some people dont have enough money to put food on the table regulary.[/quote]

…no, even in Holland foodbanks are necessary to tie people over when money runs out…

[quote]Gambles wrote:
FUCK YOU. yore not a patriot your a libral duchebag whom hates america & our troops. why else would he post this shit!
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You must have got me confused with someone else.

It wasn’t me who lied to get a war going.
It wasn’t me who send in your troops to fight a war they couldn’t win.
It wasn’t me who joked about searching for wmd in his office when US soldiers were dying in a war he could and should have avoided.

It was not some liberal douchebag either.

It was your very respectable, good christian breeding stock, Texas, straight talking Dubya.

If you want to point your finger, point it a him.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless lives in a country that is incapable of standing up against evil. He tries to justify that by saying that NO country should take a stand against evil. Like most Europeans, he is suicidal w/o even realizing it. He’ll sneer and insult, but its really his death-wish coming out.

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We stood up against Dubious when he tried to pressure the UN into condoning his stupid war, didn’t we?

Where were you then?

Oh, I forgot. You were cheering on the suicidal maniac that had big plans of liberating the middle east. I guess it’s your death-wish that’s turning into reality.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
HH your like a ping pong ball getting hit back and forth in these forums. It’s hilarious.

It is ‘you’re’, Petey, not ‘your’. Poor attempt at flaming and lousy writing skills…tsk, tsk,…

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No flame intended :slight_smile:

I always misuse and spell you’re wrong (DOH). You seem to like getting into these debates. Always with the controversial posts. I appreciate having you around at least :slight_smile:

americans are fat because corporations are greedy an because americans are taught that they can never have enough. if you educated yourself on the history and the economic polices imposed on latin america and africa you would understand that the reason people in those countries dont have food to eat are the U.S. and its accomplices.

[quote]gladiatorsteer wrote:

americans are fat because corporations are greedy an because americans are taught that they can never have enough. if you educated yourself on the history and the economic polices imposed on latin america and africa you would understand that the reason people in those countries dont have food to eat are the U.S. and its accomplices.
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Americans are fat mainly because excess is glorified in just about everything we are taught. American mainstream culture is rude, arrogant, obnoxious in-your-face 24x7 access to drive-thru fried-food. What’s worse is this is our main export and soon every culture will have the appearance of fat, bloated, pasty skinned laziness.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
gladiatorsteer wrote:

americans are fat because corporations are greedy an because americans are taught that they can never have enough. if you educated yourself on the history and the economic polices imposed on latin america and africa you would understand that the reason people in those countries dont have food to eat are the U.S. and its accomplices.

Americans are fat mainly because excess is glorified in just about everything we are taught. American mainstream culture is rude, arrogant, obnoxious in-your-face 24x7 access to drive-thru fried-food. What’s worse is this is our main export and soon every culture will have the appearance of fat, bloated, pasty skinned laziness. [/quote]

I’m quite sure at least one small village in Belgium will withstand the onslaught.

[quote]Gambles wrote:

Donald Vance, a 29-year-old Navy veteran from Chicago, was a whistle-blower who prompted the raid by tipping off the F.B.I. to suspicious activity at the company where he worked, including possible weapons trafficking. He was arrested and held for 97 days ? shackled and blindfolded, prevented from sleeping by blaring music and round-the-clock lights.

FUCK YOU. yore not a patriot your a libral duchebag whom hates america & our troops. why else would he post this shit!
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It is YOU and HH who hate America and the troops since you support the jailing and torture of a military veteran for trying to stop corruption and stop weapons from falling into the hands of the enemy.

It is YOU and HH who don’t support the rule of law or traditional American values and are playing right into enemy hands.

[quote]karva wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Gambles wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Is this the kind of freedom and democracy you send kids around the globe, to fight and die for?

Only the Jailers Are Safe

Ever since the world learned of the lawless state of American military prisons in Iraq, the administration has hidden behind the claim that only a few bad apples were brutalizing prisoners. President Bush also has dodged the full force of public outrage because the victims were foreigners, mostly Muslims, captured in what he has painted as a war against Islamic terrorists bent on destroying America.

This week, The Times published two articles that reminded us again that the American military prisons are profoundly and systemically broken and that no one is safe from the summary judgment and harsh treatment institutionalized by the White House and the Pentagon after 9/11.

On Monday, Michael Moss wrote about a U.S. contractor who was swept up in a military raid and dumped into a system where everyone is presumed guilty and denied any chance to prove otherwise.

Donald Vance, a 29-year-old Navy veteran from Chicago, was a whistle-blower who prompted the raid by tipping off the F.B.I. to suspicious activity at the company where he worked, including possible weapons trafficking. He was arrested and held for 97 days ? shackled and blindfolded, prevented from sleeping by blaring music and round-the-clock lights. In other words, he was subjected to the same mistreatment that thousands of non-Americans have been subjected to since the 2003 invasion.

Even after the military learned who Mr. Vance was, they continued to hold him in these abusive conditions for weeks more. He was not allowed to defend himself at the Potemkin hearing held to justify his detention. And that was special treatment. As an American citizen, he was at least allowed to attend his hearing. An Iraqi, or an Afghani, or any other foreigner, would have been barred from the room.

This is not the handiwork of a few out-of-control sadists at Abu Ghraib. This is a system that was created and operated outside American law and American standards of decency. Except for the few low-ranking soldiers periodically punished for abusing prisoners, it is a system without any accountability.

Yesterday, David Johnston reported that nearly 20 cases in which civilian contractors were accused of abusing detainees have been sent to the Justice Department. So far, the record is perfect: not a single indictment.

Administration officials said that prosecutors were hobbled by a lack of evidence and witnesses, or that the military?s cases were simply shoddy. This sounds like another excuse from an administration that has papered over prisoner abuse and denied there is any connection between Mr. Bush?s decision to flout the Geneva Conventions and the repeated cases of abuse and torture. We hope the new Congress will be more aggressive on this issue than the last one, which was more bent on preserving the Republican majority than preserving American values and rights. The lawless nature of Mr. Bush?s war on terror has already cost the nation dearly in terms of global prestige, while increasing the risks facing every American serving in the military.

FUCK YOU. yore not a patriot your a libral duchebag whom hates america & our troops. why else would he post this shit!

Wreckless lives in a country that is incapable of standing up against evil. He tries to justify that by saying that NO country should take a stand against evil. Like most Europeans, he is suicidal w/o even realizing it. He’ll sneer and insult, but its really his death-wish coming out.

And like most americans, HH, you are a moron w/o realizing it. Talking about suicidal, why are all americans so fat?[/quote]

All americans are fat? I think this website was created by a bunch of fat americans, right?

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I’m quite sure at least one small village in Belgium will withstand the onslaught.[/quote]

Oh, you’re Astérix now?

[quote]Gambles wrote:

FUCK YOU. yore not a patriot your a libral duchebag whom hates america & our troops. why else would he post this shit!
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This guy is obviously being sarcastic and mocking the stereotypical American attitude. Just look at his spelling. Can’t believe you guys didn’t see that.

[quote]Ren wrote:
I remember people saying that this kind of stuff could NEVER happen to a US citizen.

So much for that idea.
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Me too.

From “never” to “rarely” to “occasionally” to “frequently”(?)

Maybe that’s the progression that is in store for this country.