Some people feel sorry for Bush.
“He was a victim of circumstances.”
“He wasn’t that bad.”
“Look at Obama’s cronyism in selecting a pastor for the inauguration. And how he deserted those poor gays.”
You know, stupid stuff like that.
I guess these people have the attention span of a nervous hamster. And if you are like them, here’s an interesting read: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/bush-oral-history200902?currentPage=1
My uncle is the design editor, or some shit like that, for Vanity Fair. I havent’ seen him since I was just a wee lad.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Some people feel sorry for Bush.
“He was a victim of circumstances.”
“He wasn’t that bad.”
“Look at Obama’s cronyism in selecting a pastor for the inauguration. And how he deserted those poor gays.”
You know, stupid stuff like that.
I guess these people have the attention span of a nervous hamster. And if you are like them, here’s an interesting read: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/bush-oral-history200902?currentPage=1
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There’s no doubt that Bush was in over his head. But I think many fail to realize that ‘no one man is Caesar’. Bush was at the control of very powerful interests both here and abroad.
No one knows who is calling the shots. I think you’re simply blaming the messenger.
Let’s not forget how unfairly Dick Cheney has been criticized either.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Some people feel sorry for Bush.
“He was a victim of circumstances.”
“He wasn’t that bad.”
“Look at Obama’s cronyism in selecting a pastor for the inauguration. And how he deserted those poor gays.”
You know, stupid stuff like that.
I guess these people have the attention span of a nervous hamster. And if you are like them, here’s an interesting read: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/bush-oral-history200902?currentPage=1 [/quote]
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Bush is a victim of circumstance, Obama will be too. Clinton benefitted from circumstance. truth.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Some people feel sorry for Bush.
“He was a victim of circumstances.”
“He wasn’t that bad.”
“Look at Obama’s cronyism in selecting a pastor for the inauguration. And how he deserted those poor gays.”
You know, stupid stuff like that.
I guess these people have the attention span of a nervous hamster. And if you are like them, here’s an interesting read: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/bush-oral-history200902?currentPage=1
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Bush is a victim of circumstance, Obama will be too. Clinton benefitted from circumstance. truth.[/quote]
Is this the new excuse? Bush was a small man for a big moment. That makes his flaws all the more damning.
I’m with Zep on this one.
I think that history will ultimately judge Bush on the historical outcomes of both Afghanistan and Iraq.
That is not too favorable for Bush in that trying to put into place some semblance of Democracy among peoples that historically have been best ruled my War Lords, Dictators or Clerics does not appear promising.
Obama in inheriting one of the worst messes I think I’ve seen any President inherit since I’ve been voting. I DO NOT expect him to “solve” it all; that’s impossible. My expectation from Obama is to work hard and to try his best.
I’m sure that won’t be enough, however, for a lot of people, especially many on this Forum.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Bush is a victim of circumstance, Obama will be too. Clinton benefitted from circumstance. truth.
I’m with Zep on this one.
I think that history will ultimately judge Bush on the historical outcomes of both Afghanistan and Iraq.
That is not too favorable for Bush in that trying to put into place some semblance of Democracy among peoples that historically have been best ruled my War Lords, Dictators or Clerics does not appear promising.
Obama in inheriting one of the worst messes I think I’ve seen any President inherit since I’ve been voting. I DO NOT expect him to “solve” it all; that’s impossible. My expectation from Obama is to work hard and to try his best.
I’m sure that won’t be enough, however, for a lot of people, especially many on this Forum.
Mufasa
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I certainly wish him well. But realize he is trapped — trillions in debt, wars, a collapsing economy. If he can figure a way to restore a golden age, God bless him and I’ll fucking praise him to no end.
I personally think that we are about to enter the Greatest Depression since the Dark Ages, with the USA emerging intact and resembling Nazi Germany in the 1930’s. If he can stop that, then I’d vote him the best POTUS in our history.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I’m sure that won’t be enough, however, for a lot of people, especially many on this Forum.
Mufasa
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True. Working hard on the wrong sort of work isn’t always enough. I eagerly await his Presidency. As I’m convinced he’ll provide much for me to post about.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Bush is a victim of circumstance, Obama will be too. Clinton benefitted from circumstance. truth.
I’m with Zep on this one.
I think that history will ultimately judge Bush on the historical outcomes of both Afghanistan and Iraq.
That is not too favorable for Bush in that trying to put into place some semblance of Democracy among peoples that historically have been best ruled my War Lords, Dictators or Clerics does not appear promising.
Obama in inheriting one of the worst messes I think I’ve seen any President inherit since I’ve been voting. I DO NOT expect him to “solve” it all; that’s impossible. My expectation from Obama is to work hard and to try his best.
I’m sure that won’t be enough, however, for a lot of people, especially many on this Forum.
Mufasa
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Rational people are the minority.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Some people feel sorry for Bush.
“He was a victim of circumstances.”
“He wasn’t that bad.”
“Look at Obama’s cronyism in selecting a pastor for the inauguration. And how he deserted those poor gays.”
You know, stupid stuff like that.
I guess these people have the attention span of a nervous hamster. And if you are like them, here’s an interesting read: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/bush-oral-history200902?currentPage=1
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Wow, you are bitter!
Obama is shaping up to be a shady bastard.
That has nothing to do with Bush.
It has everything to do with you rooting for Bush after it was apparent to everybody he was a shady bastard.
And declaring Obama a shady bastard before he set one foot in the oval office.
Tell us again it’s not about his color. You might actually start to believe it yourself.
@ Wreckless: It’s not about color so much as it is ideology. We are far more apt at seeing corruption and incompetence in the opposing party than we are at seeing it our own. Likewise we are far more likely to excuse the flaws of our party than to excuse the flaws of the other.
I think it’s a bit too early to evaluate GWB’s legacy, but I’m fairly certain he’ll end up ranking among the worst few presidents we’ve had in the USA. I have little confidence that Iraq and Afghanistan will turn out well; and even if they do, I don’t see why the praise for those successes should go to a man who ended his term when they were anything but.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
It has everything to do with you rooting for Bush after it was apparent to everybody he was a shady bastard.
And declaring Obama a shady bastard before he set one foot in the oval office.
Tell us again it’s not about his color. You might actually start to believe it yourself.[/quote]
You are very assumptive too. That really sucks for you. I bet life is a sad thing and the world a scary place.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I think that history will ultimately judge Bush on the historical outcomes of both Afghanistan and Iraq.
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I disagree. While I think Iraq/Afghanistan will turn out successful, I think Bush will be best remembered by historians for the bailouts and getting the ball rolling for our coming nationalization of industry.
mike
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Tell us again it’s not about his color. You might actually start to believe it yourself.[/quote]
Because race is the ONLY possible reason we could have been against him. Racist.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
I think that history will ultimately judge Bush on the historical outcomes of both Afghanistan and Iraq.
I disagree. While I think Iraq/Afghanistan will turn out successful, I think Bush will be best remembered by historians for the bailouts and getting the ball rolling for our coming nationalization of industry.
mike[/quote]
I agree with this, I’m entirely outraged more about the bailouts than anything, and most people don’t really even think twice about it.
[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
It has everything to do with you rooting for Bush after it was apparent to everybody he was a shady bastard.
And declaring Obama a shady bastard before he set one foot in the oval office.
Tell us again it’s not about his color. You might actually start to believe it yourself.
You are very assumptive too. That really sucks for you. I bet life is a sad thing and the world a scary place. [/quote]
Naah, that’s a bit to assumptive of you?
Did you, or did you not critisize Obama over his choice af pastor at his inauguration? Did you, or did you not, cite that as an example of his cronyism?
Did you ever use the word cronyism in relation to your hero W. Bush, when you had the chance? He gave you plenty of opportunity. The guy ran your county like he was an African tribal leader for 8 years, believing loyalty was more important than competence. Never a peep from you though.
You say his color doesn’t matter? What is the difference then?
Why are you busting his chops over something that hasn’t happened yet? And why did you give Bush a free ride for 8 years? If skin doesn’t matter, what is the difference between those 2 guys? Why the change in attitude?
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
It has everything to do with you rooting for Bush after it was apparent to everybody he was a shady bastard.
And declaring Obama a shady bastard before he set one foot in the oval office.
Tell us again it’s not about his color. You might actually start to believe it yourself.
You are very assumptive too. That really sucks for you. I bet life is a sad thing and the world a scary place.
Naah, that’s a bit to assumptive of you?
Did you, or did you not critisize Obama over his choice af pastor at his inauguration? Did you, or did you not, cite that as an example of his cronyism?
Did you ever use the word cronyism in relation to your hero W. Bush, when you had the chance? He gave you plenty of opportunity. The guy ran your county like he was an African tribal leader for 8 years, believing loyalty was more important than competence. Never a peep from you though.
You say his color doesn’t matter? What is the difference then?
Why are you busting his chops over something that hasn’t happened yet? And why did you give Bush a free ride for 8 years? If skin doesn’t matter, what is the difference between those 2 guys? Why the change in attitude?
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Spoken like a true low-life piece of vile, worm infested dogshit. Who lifted the shit pile and let you out to roam anyway?
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Tell us again it’s not about his color. You might actually start to believe it yourself.
Because race is the ONLY possible reason we could have been against him. Racist.
mike[/quote]
Well, that’s not the only reason. Another reason for giving someone like Bush a free ride for 8 years wrecking your country, while bashing Obama before he even set a foot in the oval office, another reason for doing that is perhaps that you guys are fucking retards.
AND racists. Because the two don’t exclude each other. Au contraire. (that’s French).