Thai Boxing, Judo, and 5/3/1

Good work of course, but off subject:

Keep your head on a swivel. Recent things mentioned in other threads and the news has me thinking your A.O. could be getting even more sporty.

Keep training hard.

Stay safe.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:
Good work of course, but off subject:

Keep your head on a swivel. Recent things mentioned in other threads and the news has me thinking your A.O. could be getting even more sporty.

Keep training hard.

Stay safe.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Are you referring to the officer who was attacked by an axe in NYC or Ebola in NYC? These two things have me in high alert mode.

[quote]fearnloathingnyc wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:
Good work of course, but off subject:

Keep your head on a swivel. Recent things mentioned in other threads and the news has me thinking your A.O. could be getting even more sporty.

Keep training hard.

Stay safe.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Are you referring to the officer who was attacked by an axe in NYC or Ebola in NYC? These two things have me in high alert mode.
[/quote]

Axe

Other than hygiene and actually cleaning your gear I don’t know if there is anything awareness is going to buy you for Ebola.

Don’t enter a quarantine zone to serve paperwork, unlike the deputy who did that.

Get out the magic eight ball to know if the guy next to you is a doctor who is supposed to be self quarentined but instead is riding the subway to a bowling alley and then taking a taxi home?

I think current best hopes for Ebola hinge on:

1.)We have massively different hygiene practices in the U.S. than in Liberia. We have sanitation and daily use of such is pretty much ritual.

2.)Hoping Ebola doesn’t mutate into a more contagious strain. There is a lot of discussion about aerosol/droplet transmission and how long the virus stays viable outside the victim. The good news is at current it is no where near measles levels of contagious. If it were one sick person could shut down Police Plaza.

Among the issues are:
What type of precautions are both possible and sufficiently useful for treating/dealing with patients: Research might be done with closed air suits, but that isn’t really practical for every case. Good news is that an Ebola patient is less contagious in the early stages of symptoms, so early ID and actual quarantine should help reduce risks there. The goal then being to get confirmed cases into actual clean room/appropriate precaution facilities.

This is also an area where many people are looking at local and CDC responses and being less than impressed.

The unwillingness to implement any kind of limited travel ban(say for any non-government duties) on Ebola stricken countries or temporary triage/isolation for travel to and from those countries much less a total ban all but guaranties there will be multiple “brush fire” type patient zero’s popping up. The hope is that the differences can contain the damage.

On the other hand, you shooting the motherfucker with the axe seems to be a robust, proven, and available(to you) protocol for dealing with that other type of issue.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]fearnloathingnyc wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:
Good work of course, but off subject:

Keep your head on a swivel. Recent things mentioned in other threads and the news has me thinking your A.O. could be getting even more sporty.

Keep training hard.

Stay safe.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Are you referring to the officer who was attacked by an axe in NYC or Ebola in NYC? These two things have me in high alert mode.
[/quote]

Axe

Other than hygiene and actually cleaning your gear I don’t know if there is anything awareness is going to buy you for Ebola.

Don’t enter a quarantine zone to serve paperwork, unlike the deputy who did that.

Get out the magic eight ball to know if the guy next to you is a doctor who is supposed to be self quarentined but instead is riding the subway to a bowling alley and then taking a taxi home?

I think current best hopes for Ebola hinge on:

1.)We have massively different hygiene practices in the U.S. than in Liberia. We have sanitation and daily use of such is pretty much ritual.

2.)Hoping Ebola doesn’t mutate into a more contagious strain. There is a lot of discussion about aerosol/droplet transmission and how long the virus stays viable outside the victim. The good news is at current it is no where near measles levels of contagious. If it were one sick person could shut down Police Plaza.

Among the issues are:
What type of precautions are both possible and sufficiently useful for treating/dealing with patients: Research might be done with closed air suits, but that isn’t really practical for every case. Good news is that an Ebola patient is less contagious in the early stages of symptoms, so early ID and actual quarantine should help reduce risks there. The goal then being to get confirmed cases into actual clean room/appropriate precaution facilities.

This is also an area where many people are looking at local and CDC responses and being less than impressed.

The unwillingness to implement any kind of limited travel ban(say for any non-government duties) on Ebola stricken countries or temporary triage/isolation for travel to and from those countries much less a total ban all but guaranties there will be multiple “brush fire” type patient zero’s popping up. The hope is that the differences can contain the damage.

On the other hand, you shooting the motherfucker with the axe seems to be a robust, proven, and available(to you) protocol for dealing with that other type of issue.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Thanks for the detailed and informative response.

As for the axe situation, I hope the officer makes a speedy recovery. I’m glad they were able to shoot the perp down so he wouldn’t cause any more serious injury to the officers.

I’m going to sign-up for a boxing smoker in February. I have 4 months to prepare. Realistically, I should train 4 days per week. I am thinking about dropping the current strength training template I am following since I want to listen to my trainer and perform whichever strength related exercises he wants me to do.

I plan to continue training in muay thai, wrestling, judo, and bjj, but at a very minimal rate (will focus only on boxing for December and January). If all goes according to plan, I think my weekly training should look like this:

Boxing - 4 days

Muay Thai - 2 days

Wrestling - 2 days

Judo - 1 day

BJJ - 1 day

Do you guys think I may be biting off more than I can chew by training in these different disciplines at the same time?

[quote]fearnloathingnyc wrote:
I’m going to sign-up for a boxing smoker in February. I have 4 months to prepare. Realistically, I should train 4 days per week. I am thinking about dropping the current strength training template I am following since I want to listen to my trainer and perform whichever strength related exercises he wants me to do.

I plan to continue training in muay thai, wrestling, judo, and bjj, but at a very minimal rate (will focus only on boxing for December and January). If all goes according to plan, I think my weekly training should look like this:

Boxing - 4 days

Muay Thai - 2 days

Wrestling - 2 days

Judo - 1 day

BJJ - 1 day

Do you guys think I may be biting off more than I can chew by training in these different disciplines at the same time?[/quote]

Well, you seem to have great recovery ability and MMA fighters certainly mix and match a lot in training.

So, not too much.

On the other hand if you are signing up for a “just” boxing smoker than I would train damn near all “boxing”. Because that is what the guys who win boxing matches seem to be inclined to do. I am just thinking that gives you the best possible chance to perform well at the fight. The counter point to this is if you have MMA aspirations and don’t really care about boxing or grappling records. Then, and only then, doing such things for experience while training it all makes more sense to me.

The consistency of your log makes me think you CAN do it. I just don’t know if it is a great idea. Perhaps add Nov. to the “just boxing” list? Three months off the mat and focusing on your hands shouldn’t get you killed or make you forget everything you learned grappling. It WILL increase you chances of putting your opponent to sleep in Feb.

I think you should embrace the short period of specialization.

Just my opinion.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]fearnloathingnyc wrote:
I’m going to sign-up for a boxing smoker in February. I have 4 months to prepare. Realistically, I should train 4 days per week. I am thinking about dropping the current strength training template I am following since I want to listen to my trainer and perform whichever strength related exercises he wants me to do.

I plan to continue training in muay thai, wrestling, judo, and bjj, but at a very minimal rate (will focus only on boxing for December and January). If all goes according to plan, I think my weekly training should look like this:

Boxing - 4 days

Muay Thai - 2 days

Wrestling - 2 days

Judo - 1 day

BJJ - 1 day

Do you guys think I may be biting off more than I can chew by training in these different disciplines at the same time?[/quote]

Well, you seem to have great recovery ability and MMA fighters certainly mix and match a lot in training.

So, not too much.

On the other hand if you are signing up for a “just” boxing smoker than I would train damn near all “boxing”. Because that is what the guys who win boxing matches seem to be inclined to do. I am just thinking that gives you the best possible chance to perform well at the fight. The counter point to this is if you have MMA aspirations and don’t really care about boxing or grappling records. Then, and only then, doing such things for experience while training it all makes more sense to me.

The consistency of your log makes me think you CAN do it. I just don’t know if it is a great idea. Perhaps add Nov. to the “just boxing” list? Three months off the mat and focusing on your hands shouldn’t get you killed or make you forget everything you learned grappling. It WILL increase you chances of putting your opponent to sleep in Feb.

I think you should embrace the short period of specialization.

Just my opinion.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I think you make some very strong points for focusing solely on boxing. The idea of participating in a smoker came up yesterday while I was watching a smoker event. While watching a bout, a drunken idiot from my precinct (whom I barely know) decided to touch my buttocks. Lets just say my reaction was one step short of unleashing havoc on him. He claims he was joking and kidding and then has the audacity to tell me that he and I should do the next smoker. Now, I’m not sure if this fool was influenced by alcohol or not, but, I’d take great pleasure in stopping him within seconds of the first round.

Ideally, I’d like to just continue training in muay thai, wrestling, judo, and bjj since my school offers all of these classes at an exceptional discount rate for LEO’s. If I had a better work schedule I’d dedicate four days to muay thai, two days to wrestling, two days to judo, two days to bjj, and two days to lifting.

Muay Thai - 1 hour

Warmup (2 circuits of the following):

  • 30 seconds of high knees jogging in place
  • 30 seconds of high knee sprinting in place
  • 30 seconds of high knees jogging in place
  • 30 seconds of high knee sprinting in place
  • 30 seconds of pushups
  • 30 seconds of crunches
  • 30 seconds of squats

7 rounds holding thai pads

7 rounds of thai pads

  • 1 round of right cross-left jab-right cross
  • 1 round of right cross-left jab-right cross-left middle kick
  • 1 round of right cross-left jab-right cross-left middle kick-left knee
  • 2 rounds of jab-cross-hook-slip the jab-slip the right cross-defending against the left cross by going under and countering with the right cross
  • 2 rounds of right teep-right side kick

Finisher:

  • 30 seconds of fast right middle kicks (I performed 46 right middle kicks)
  • 30 seconds of fast left middle kicks (I performed 36 left middle kicks)

Muay Thai - 1 hour

Warmup

  • 7 minutes of calisthenics without rest

7 rounds of thai pads

  • 1 round of jab-jab-cross-right middle kick
  • 1 round of jab-jab-cross-left middle kick
  • 1 round of jab-jab-cross-left middle kick-right hook from southpaw position-left cross from southpaw stance
  • 1 round of jab-cross-hook-right middle kick
  • 1 round of right knee-right middle kick
  • 1 round of left uppercut-cross-left uppercut-cross-left middle kick
  • 1 round of right middle kick on the thai heavy bag

7 rounds holding thai pads

Deadlifts

135 x 3
225 x 3
315 x 3
375 x 1

Deadlifts

185 x 10
185 x 10
185 x 10
185 x 10
185 x 10

DB Rows

70 x 10
70 x 10
70 x 10
70 x 10
70 x 10

Muay Thai - 1 hour

10 minute warmup consisting of calisthenics

7 rounds holding thai pads

7 rounds of thai pads

  • 1 round of jab-right middle kick and cross-left middle kick
  • 1 round of jab-cross-jab-right middle kick-push and deliver right middle kick
  • 1 round of jab-cross-hook-right middle kick
  • 1 round of jab-cross-jab-cross-parry jab-counter overhand right with right cross
  • 1 round of jab-hook-right middle kick
  • 1 round of counter left hook with left elbow and counter hook with right elbow
  • 1 round of left elbow and right elbow

BJJ - 1.5 hours

10 minute warmup

50 minutes of drilling various progressions from the spider guard

30 minutes of live rolling (out of 5 rounds, I rolled in 3 rounds x 5 minutes)

Weighed in at 178lbs after training

Muay Thai - 1 hour

10 minute warmup consisting of calisthenics without any rest

7 rounds of thai pads

  • 1 round of slipping jab-counter with cross-left hook and slipping the cross-counter with left hook-right cross
  • 1 round of checking right kick with left leg-counter with the left middle kick and checking right kick with right leg-counter with the right middle kick
  • 1 round of left hook-cross-left uppercut-right knee
  • 1 round of defending jab-defending cross-countering with cross-hook-left uppercut-right middle kick
  • 1 round of parrying jab-countering with jab-cross-hook-right middle kick
  • 1 round of parrying jab-cross-countering with jab-cross-hook
  • 1 round of defending left hook-countering with left hook-right cross-left middle kick

7 rounds holding thai pads

Judo - 1 hour

15 minute warmup consisting of a lot of agility movements

40 minutes drilling inside leg sweep to side control

5 minutes of team sparring. 5 on 5. I went up against a black belt who no one wanted to spar. We were supposed to go according to weight, so the guy on my team who weighted a little more than me, looked at me as if I weighed the most, so I stepped up to go against the other teams biggest guy who is 5’7, 220lb guy who is a judo black belt. I was taken for two nice rides (aka throws).

I’ve trained local champs as well as Olympic boxers and world champion boxers and mma fighters… You have to incorporate strength and plyo metrics with skill set. I like upper lower circuits. For example, leg stff with boxing, upper body stuff with kicks. Or big compound stuff with wrestling or full body striking… Love 5/3/1 excercises with mitts or bag work… Go with circuits and skill set for time fighting, usually 5 or 3 min rounds with 45 second rest to condition to recover in time after 1 min rest bw rounds…

[quote]theriver wrote:
I’ve trained local champs as well as Olympic boxers and world champion boxers and mma fighters… You have to incorporate strength and plyo metrics with skill set. I like upper lower circuits. For example, leg stff with boxing, upper body stuff with kicks. Or big compound stuff with wrestling or full body striking… Love 5/3/1 excercises with mitts or bag work… Go with circuits and skill set for time fighting, usually 5 or 3 min rounds with 45 second rest to condition to recover in time after 1 min rest bw rounds… [/quote]

Just for my understanding, would you expand on several of your comments?:

Who have you trained? You said “world champion boxers”.

What is “leg stiff with boxing”? " upper body stuff with kicks"?

What is 5-3-1 with mitts or bag? Are you referring to the 5-3-1 strength program?

What is “circuits and skill sets for time fighting” Are you referring to skill drills in sparring? bag work? or are you referring to circuit weight training?

Thank you.

Muay Thai - 1 hour

5 minute warmup consisting of alternating knees, pushups, burpees, squats, and ab work without any rest

8 rounds of thai pads

  • 1 round of jab-cross (moving forward and moving backwards)
  • 1 round of cross-hook and hook-cross (moving forward and moving backwards)
  • 1 round of left hook from southpaw stance (moving forward and moving backwards)
  • 1 round of right hook from orthodox stance (moving forward and moving backwards)
  • 1 round of left uppercut-cross-hook-right uppercut (moving forward and moving backwards)
  • 1 round of jab-cross-left middle kick and cross-hook-right middle kick
  • 1 round of jab-cross-left hook to the liver-right knee-left knee
  • 1 round of jab-cross-hook-right knee-right elbow

8 rounds holding thai pads

Finisher:

  • 4 minute plank hold

Muay Thai - 1 hour

Warmup

  • 1 minute of alternating knees
  • 1 minute of pushups
  • 1 minute of jab-cross
  • 1 minute of situps
  • 1 minute of alternating side knees
  • 1 minute of squats

10 rounds of thai pads

  • 1 round of right knees
  • 1 round of left knees
  • 1 round of side right knee
  • 1 round of side left knee
  • 1 round of pushing opponent and then throwing a right knee
  • 1 round of pushing opponent and then throwing a left knee
  • 1 round of left hook to the body-right knee-left knee
  • 1 round of right middle kick-right knee-right elbow
  • 1 round of cross-right uppercut-left knee-left middle kick
  • 1 round of left uppercut-cross-left knee

10 rounds holding thai pads

Judo - 1 hour

10 minute warmup

  • reaction drills (moving side to side laterally and sprawls)
  • forward rolls, backward rolls
  • push and pull from under and over hook position

45 minutes drilling technique

  • from right over hook position, step back with the left foot, take right foot sweep it backwards with left hand on the mat and body moving to the left.
  • from right over hook position, step back with the left, take right shoulder and press it downward which causes opponent to move to the left. Once opponent moves to the left in a circular motion, take right foot and put it behind opponents left foot and put left foot parallel to the opponents left foot. Then squat down, move left hand in an under hook position to opponents right underarm, and proceed to take opponent down. Once opponent is down, he is in place for a d’arce choke

5 minutes of live sparring

  • I did a 30 second round and took my opponent down with a single leg with 5 seconds remaining in the round

Muay Thai - 1 hour

Warmup

  • 30 seconds of jogging in place
  • 30 seconds of high knees in place
  • 30 seconds of high knees sprinting in place
  • 30 seconds of pushups
  • 30 seconds of squats
  • 30 seconds of plank hold
  • 30 seconds of jump squat
  • 30 seconds of high knees in place
  • 30 seconds of high knees sprinting in place
  • 30 seconds of jogging in place

4 rounds of thai pads

  • 1 round of right middle kicks going forward and going backwards
  • 1 round of left middle kicks going forward and going backwards
  • 1 round of right middle kick-left middle kick going forward and backwards
  • 1 round of right middle kick-right middle kick-left middle kick-left middle kick going forward and backwards

4 rounds holding thai pads

3 rounds of mitt work

  • 1 round of jab-cross-hook-slip the jab-slip the cross
  • 1 round of jab-cross-hook-slip the jab-slip the cross-hook-cross-hook
  • 1 round of jab-cross-hook-slip the jab-slip the cross-hook-cross-hook-right low kick

3 rounds holding mitts

2 rounds of partner drills

  • 1 round of throwing right middle kick and catching right middle kick
  • 1 round of throwing right high kick and catching right high kick

Deadlifts

135 x 3
225 x 3
315 x 1
365 x 1
375 x 1

Deadlifts

135 x 10
135 x 10
135 x 10

Pull-ups

BW x 10
BW x 10
BW x 10

Neck Curls

90 x 100
90 x 100
90 x 100

[quote]theriver wrote:
I’ve trained local champs as well as Olympic boxers and world champion boxers and mma fighters… You have to incorporate strength and plyo metrics with skill set. I like upper lower circuits. For example, leg stff with boxing, upper body stuff with kicks. Or big compound stuff with wrestling or full body striking… Love 5/3/1 excercises with mitts or bag work… Go with circuits and skill set for time fighting, usually 5 or 3 min rounds with 45 second rest to condition to recover in time after 1 min rest bw rounds… [/quote]

Wait… what?

Muay Thai - 3 hours

  • Kru from Thailand came over to my gym for a seminar. It was an incredible experience. I learned a lot and when I was done, I had some dinner and was welcomed by cramps lol.

10 minute warmup

2 hours and 25 minutes of partner drills

5 rounds of sparring

5 minutes of stretching and mobility work

***I sparred today for the first time in a couple of months. I was happy to spar again, but, I little disappointed. There are some glaring areas that I need to improve upon such as checking leg kicks more. I took one too many kicks. I also have to move my head more, throw more combinations, and use my range when I have a height advantage which was the case with every sparring partner I had tonight.