Give the guy some credit though – he and Reggie Bush went to the UT locker room after the game and congratulated the Longhorns on their victory.
It’s tough to lose such a close game, and I don’t think anyone could argue that it couldn’t have gone either way.
Nah. I was very happy to see USC lose. But Reggie deserves that Heisman.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
From another die-hard PAC-10 fan:
Couple other bads (for the officials):
Bad non-call on the Vince Young pitch – two actually, because in addition to the fact his knee was down it looked like a forward lateral.
Bad call on the catch-and-fumble that was ruled an incomplete pass.[/quote]
I think the bad calls pretty much evened themselves out on both sides.
I really think that too much has been made of the pitch. I think Vince Young was just trying to show up Reggie, and school him on how to make a pitch. But even so - I think the argument could be made that Young no longer had control of the ball when his knee was down. His arm was moving forward, and you can tell that he had no grip on the ball.
I agree - It keeps the LB’s honest, and makes it much easier on a running quarterback to do his thang. Take out the effectiveness of a good tight end, and Young gets sacked 4 or 5 times.
But the Texas tigh-end is #16, and he’s from my neck of the woods up here in the middle of no where. I can’t remember his name, but if I’m not mistaken he played his highschool ball up here in Hereford, Texas.
Which brings up a pretty staggering fact: all but one of the kids on the t-sipper squad were recruited right here in the Greatest State in the Union.
Except for the starting left guard who is from Lone Tree Colorado…
C’mon dude…
[quote]elevationgain wrote:
Which brings up a pretty staggering fact: all but one of the kids on the t-sipper squad were recruited right here in the Greatest State in the Union.
Except for the starting left guard who is from Lone Tree Colorado…
C’mon dude…
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aww fuck I didn’t read all the way through your post…
my fault RJ.
[quote]elevationgain wrote:
Which brings up a pretty staggering fact: all but one of the kids on the t-sipper squad were recruited right here in the Greatest State in the Union.
Except for the starting left guard who is from Lone Tree Colorado…
C’mon dude…
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I said all but one. Whadyah want?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
41 - 38
Anyone think they gave the Heisman to the wrong guy now?
And I hate the t-sippers!!![/quote]
I thought White should have won it all along. Most efficient passer in college football and incredible running ability.
Bush is a phenomenal athlete but he is the third most important offensive player on his team.
Leinart played great. Without him they would not have been in it although he sounded like a bitch after the game and taking ballroom dancing as his only class is bizarre. How can he play if he doesn’t take a full class load?
White is a top running back. He looks like the real deal. He does not get nearly enough credit.
Bush is incredible with the ball in space, but I see him as a kick returner/ part time running back in the NFL. If he busts his ass in the gym and puts on some muscle and learns to run between the tackles he could change this but I don’t think he will.
I would love to have him on my team but I wouldn’t use the # 1 overall piick on him.
Fantastic game. I am die hard NFL and don’t care too much about college ball but I have to say that game ranks up at the top.
[quote]elevationgain wrote:
I contest that Lienart didn’t really know where he was after that hit he took in the 2nd quarter. Sure, he had a good second half passing, but they never called the long ball in the second half and the majority of his completions were 8 yard camp outs or crossing routes under the zone. And he rarely audibled or checked off. The coaches made things simpler for him and he conferenced with the sidelines much more often that what I had seen in the regular season.
Indicative of someone who can’t really see straight.
Texas got in his earhole and he was tentative to scramble or go deep from that point on.
Him talking shit at the end of the game is what it is… What is he supposed to say? “All praise UT they are the best team in the land and I concede all my competitive spirit and championship title to them because they beat us outright??” Fuck that, if I was in his position I’d be just as pissed off and probably would have said something worse. Fuck that political bullshit, he said what was on his mind and I respect that.
Now, for the sippers (ala RJ)…
The hit on Lienart, Huff’s ability to fly to the ball, the offensive line-play, and obviously the super-human talent and ability of Vince Young stands out in my mind as factors that changed the outcome of the game.
Sprinkle in the fact that USC didn’t want a Willis Mcgehey type injury to happen to Reggie and that they didn’t know what to do on a 60 yard two minute drill (like the Russians not pulling the goalie in the Miracle on Ice) and you have the right recipe for a Texas Victory.
Great game, one for the ages. Congrats to Texas and their fans.
Reggie still deserves the Heisman. Vince deserves the national championship.
It all worked out in the end and the best team won. I just hate the fact that the title is in the Big 12.
I do have a question for the UT fans.
Why were there two players wearing the same number and does that happen a lot?
There were two #4’s, #5’s, and #7’s and I’m sure there were some others.
Just curious.
GAINER
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In regards to the jersey # question, most Division 1 teams have around 110-130 players on their roster, so there are bound to be several number duplicates. They just can’t be on the same side of the ball, so one has to be a defensive player and the other an offensive, if they’re sharing a number.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Fantastic game. I am die hard NFL and don’t care too much about college ball but I have to say that game ranks up at the top.[/quote]
Bro you are missing out on some great football…
I’m bummed that the season is already over… Seems like it had just started.
[quote]elevationgain wrote:
I contest that Lienart didn’t really know where he was after that hit he took in the 2nd quarter. Sure, he had a good second half passing, but they never called the long ball in the second half and the majority of his completions were 8 yard camp outs or crossing routes under the zone. And he rarely audibled or checked off. The coaches made things simpler for him and he conferenced with the sidelines much more often that what I had seen in the regular season.[/quote]
To me that says that he wasn’t as confident in himself as he appeared to be in the weeks leading up to the game. That or the coaches weren’t as confident in him as they usually are and told him to check with them.
[quote]Zap Branigan said:
Bush is incredible with the ball in space, but I see him as a kick returner/ part time running back in the NFL. If he busts his ass in the gym and puts on some muscle and learns to run between the tackles he could change this but I don’t think he will.
I would love to have him on my team but I wouldn’t use the # 1 overall piick on him.
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Thank you! Finally someone that agrees with me. lol
I agree. From an athletic standpoint, the pro games are better, but there is something to the spirit of a college game that makes it more exciting.
Plus, from a football aficianado standpoint, you’re going to see more different sets, formations and plays, and matchups of contrasting styles, in college football vs. in pro ball.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I agree - It keeps the LB’s honest, and makes it much easier on a running quarterback to do his thang. Take out the effectiveness of a good tight end, and Young gets sacked 4 or 5 times.
But the Texas tigh-end is #16, and he’s from my neck of the woods up here in the middle of no where. I can’t remember his name, but if I’m not mistaken he played his highschool ball up here in Hereford, Texas.
Which brings up a pretty staggering fact: all but one of the kids on the t-sipper squad were recruited right here in the Greatest State in the Union.
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My bad on the #.
I was reading an article on ESPN about that – UT got almost all its players in TX – I think 90%. And USC got about 80% of its players from CA. Good stuff.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I was reading an article on ESPN about that – UT got almost all its players in TX – I think 90%. And USC got about 80% of its players from CA. Good stuff.[/quote]
Not to mention that U.T. Norman (aka OU), OK State, and Arkansas get about 75 % of their kids from Texas.
definitely the best college game ive seen. Although i was rooting for USC, that performance by Vince young was absolutely sick, and I think it could have gone either way. Congratulations to Texas
I seriously didn’t think UT had a chance in hell. I thought the USC D would do something to stop Vince from running all over them.
Vince played a great game and deserves the MVP like no other.
The Texas Defense was sick - some people talked about how USC hadn’t faced a D like Texas…let’s go above and beyond that and give the Texas D credit for playing as well as they did against one of the most loaded and versatile offenses in the history of college football.
I was surprised with Leinart’s statement after the game, but to tell the truth, I think what he said was an honest assessment - USC made a lot of mistakes - I believe, as a whole, they are still a more impressive team…but UT proved that they are the champions on the back of a solid O-Line, a gamebreaking QB and a Defense that rose to the occasion.
If you’ve never seen an athlete throw a team on his back and carry them like Vince Young until this game, you obviously missed last year’s Rose Bowl where VY brought UT back into a game that Michigan had pretty much won. This year’s game was phenomenal also, but last year’s was mind-blowing.
VY definately upped his stock for the draft if he decides to go. The problem with the NFL for Vince will be which team drafts him and if they will surround him with a little more talent - I could see him getting drafted to the Saints this year, and watching him struggle with little help and much faster and more capable NFL Defenses - No doubt he is something special - pardon the comparisons, but I see him becoming a Kordell Stewart('01)with pass accuracy, which is pretty dangerous in my books.
I was very impressed with the Texas D effort, despite the fact that Leinart threw for 365 yards and Bush had almost 200 all purpose. Without that tight Defense, especially in the first half, USC would have scored 70 last night. Holding them to 38 was a success.
Overall, it was a great game - I think we all agree on that.
CR
I would have to agree with those that came before me in this thread. Am I the only one that watched and had visions of madden 2004, I believe that was the first year for Vick. All people would do was get the Falcons, snap the ball, pump fake and then take off down the field running. Just saw him running around everywhere like a crazy man and thought of that. Young seems to be a superb athlete.
As far as whether Reggie should have won the Heisman, yes I would say so. Young was good but not stellar. The Heisman goes to the game changer, the best one and for all of the 2005 season that was Reggie Bush. But, Young did earn that National Title. Something that needs to be kept in mind though. Yes he did contribute a lot to the offense but the defense really buckled down in the 2nd half to make it happen. And his o-line performed outstanding. Things that get pushed to the wayside by a good performance.
Will Young be the next best qb? Highly unlikely. Some of those tackles that were missed on him last night, if put on him by a starting strong safety from the nfl or a high class linebacker would have leveled him and left him crying for momma. No doubt he will be a good qb. Great qb, well that is to be decided. Too many “great” qb’s have come out of college only to be mediocre at best. Only time will tell.
Will Reggie Bush be the next best rb? Highly unlikely as well. I have to agree with others that he is extremely good in space, not so much right up the gut. Add about 25 lbs of muscle, lower the shoulder more and definitely keep that agility and we have a good solid winner right there.
Will either Young or Bush go #1? Not if the Texans have the pick. Despite what many would think they have a decent young qb in Carr, the only issue he has is a porous o-line that can’t hold blocks longer than 2 seconds so he has to take 2-3 step quick drops all the time) and they have a very good running back in dominack davis. Bush is highly unlikely to unseat Davis due to his inability to run between the tackles. The Texans have much bigger problems on defense.
Final word on the Vince to Selvin pitch… yes, Vince’s knee was down. But it must have been karma, for those that believe in it… after all, SC may not have been in this game were it not for a blown call back against ND (it’s called a tandem buck, look it up).
Fouts made a great point during the game about how the Texas DBs were sticking everything that moved and not missing tackles. How impressive was it to see 200lb. Michael Huff drag down 265lb. Dominique Byrd with one hand?
[quote]hardcore_balla wrote:
I would have to agree with those that came before me in this thread. Am I the only one that watched and had visions of madden 2004, I believe that was the first year for Vick. All people would do was get the Falcons, snap the ball, pump fake and then take off down the field running. Just saw him running around everywhere like a crazy man and thought of that. Young seems to be a superb athlete.
As far as whether Reggie should have won the Heisman, yes I would say so. Young was good but not stellar. The Heisman goes to the game changer, the best one and for all of the 2005 season that was Reggie Bush. But, Young did earn that National Title. Something that needs to be kept in mind though. Yes he did contribute a lot to the offense but the defense really buckled down in the 2nd half to make it happen. And his o-line performed outstanding. Things that get pushed to the wayside by a good performance.
Will Young be the next best qb? Highly unlikely. Some of those tackles that were missed on him last night, if put on him by a starting strong safety from the nfl or a high class linebacker would have leveled him and left him crying for momma. No doubt he will be a good qb. Great qb, well that is to be decided. Too many “great” qb’s have come out of college only to be mediocre at best. Only time will tell.
Will Reggie Bush be the next best rb? Highly unlikely as well. I have to agree with others that he is extremely good in space, not so much right up the gut. Add about 25 lbs of muscle, lower the shoulder more and definitely keep that agility and we have a good solid winner right there.
Will either Young or Bush go #1? Not if the Texans have the pick. Despite what many would think they have a decent young qb in Carr, the only issue he has is a porous o-line that can’t hold blocks longer than 2 seconds so he has to take 2-3 step quick drops all the time) and they have a very good running back in dominack davis. Bush is highly unlikely to unseat Davis due to his inability to run between the tackles. The Texans have much bigger problems on defense.
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Good points all around, especially concerning the Texans…
[quote]hardcore_balla wrote:
Will Young be the next best qb? Highly unlikely. Some of those tackles that were missed on him last night, if put on him by a starting strong safety from the nfl or a high class linebacker would have leveled him and left him crying for momma. No doubt he will be a good qb. Great qb, well that is to be decided. Too many “great” qb’s have come out of college only to be mediocre at best. Only time will tell.
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I agree, I don’t think he’ll be a great NFL QB at all, honestly. But best of luck to him when he gets there.
[quote]hardcore_balla wrote:
Will either Young or Bush go #1? Not if the Texans have the pick. Despite what many would think they have a decent young qb in Carr, the only issue he has is a porous o-line that can’t hold blocks longer than 2 seconds so he has to take 2-3 step quick drops all the time) and they have a very good running back in dominack davis. Bush is highly unlikely to unseat Davis due to his inability to run between the tackles. The Texans have much bigger problems on defense.
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I have to disagree. Yes, the Texans have some horrible problems on Defense and that O-Line… Wow, worst ever O-Line, period… It’s just ridiculous.
However, I’m fairly certain they’re going to pick Bush number 1. They’d have a great 1-2 punch with Domanick Davis and Reggie Bush (considering Bush adds some muscle).
And someone mentioned the Saints picking Vince Young? They don’t want another Aaron Brooks… They’d pick Leinart, not Young.
Vince Young in Detroit with those receivers would be interesting.