Texas Judge Beats Daughter with Belt

Iron_Dwarf · November 3, 2011, 7:47pm

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
So who is to blame Dahmer or his parents?

At what age does an individual become responsible for their actions?[/quote]

You taking notes on analogies from PX?[/quote]

No my question is in regards to individuals who do not have children of their own. They have not watched a child grow from birth to the loss of innocence. As a parent I can see when my children have grown into that age of “adulthood”.

I am not pointing fingers or making judgement in this case, nothing in life is black or white. There are always 3 sides to every story.

So my question is When does the “blame” shift from the Parent to the child? [/quote]

What does this have to do with this thread?

This is truly a Prof. X bait-and-switch.

WTF?[/quote]

Irish maybe, but you and Christine are so quick for judgement and to place blame. So I thought to ask the question.

Before you attack me, again I am just asking a question. I have 5 children ages 20-15 years old.

When they were very young they would get swats on the ass with my hand. I have not spanked my kids since then, I used other forms of punishment. However I could turn you hair grey with the trials and tribulations I have had to go through raising my kids. As a divorced father who had his children 3 days out of 7 every week, and marrying a lady with 3 kids that I have raised.

What age do you no longer blame the parents? When does an individual become responsible for their own actions?
[/quote]

I am quick to judgement because 1) You don’t beat children and 2) You don’t beat women. And that’s what this piece of shit did. He didn’t spank a child, he beat a girl.

This was domestic abuse, plain and simple, and has nothing to do with when an individual becomes responsible for their own actions… .I still don’t see what your little question has to do with the original storyline of this judge doing this to his daughter.

If it is totally independent of the story, you should probably start another thread, because people are going to frame your question in the context of this story, even though there isn’t a connection[/quote]

Dude, you and I should go out for a few drinks sometime. That is if you don’t mind hangin’ out with an old dude.

Derek542 · November 3, 2011, 7:48pm

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Irish maybe, but you and Christine are so quick for judgement and to place blame. So I thought to ask the question.

Before you attack me, again I am just asking a question. I have 5 children ages 20-15 years old.

When they were very young they would get swats on the ass with my hand. I have not spanked my kids since then, I used other forms of punishment. However I could turn you hair grey with the trials and tribulations I have had to go through raising my kids. As a divorced father who had his children 3 days out of 7 every week, and marrying a lady with 3 kids that I have raised.

What age do you no longer blame the parents? When does an individual become responsible for their own actions?
[/quote]

My comment was flippant.

In my opinion, there is not enough evidence to verify whether or not the daughter is a bitch.

Regarding your question though Study Finds Every Style Of Parenting Produces Disturbed, Miserable Adults.

So don’t worry, whatever you are doing, you are doing it wrong. :)[/quote]

Lol believe me as a parent you go through life second guessing every decision you make. As a parent you have no choice but believe every decision your child makes is a reflection of you as a parent.

I know this is not relevant to this discussion, I just always find the topic interesting and like to hear what peoples views are on this. Both people with kids and without.

four60 · November 3, 2011, 7:50pm

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
So who is to blame Dahmer or his parents?

At what age does an individual become responsible for their actions?[/quote]

So if Dahmer just had a proper ass whoopin’ he wouldn’t have been a serial killer?[/quote]

Yes someone needed to beat his azz way before he killed someone…

Derek542 · November 3, 2011, 7:50pm

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
So who is to blame Dahmer or his parents?

At what age does an individual become responsible for their actions?[/quote]

You taking notes on analogies from PX?[/quote]

No my question is in regards to individuals who do not have children of their own. They have not watched a child grow from birth to the loss of innocence. As a parent I can see when my children have grown into that age of “adulthood”.

I am not pointing fingers or making judgement in this case, nothing in life is black or white. There are always 3 sides to every story.

So my question is When does the “blame” shift from the Parent to the child? [/quote]

What does this have to do with this thread?

This is truly a Prof. X bait-and-switch.

WTF?[/quote]

Irish maybe, but you and Christine are so quick for judgement and to place blame. So I thought to ask the question.

Before you attack me, again I am just asking a question. I have 5 children ages 20-15 years old.

When they were very young they would get swats on the ass with my hand. I have not spanked my kids since then, I used other forms of punishment. However I could turn you hair grey with the trials and tribulations I have had to go through raising my kids. As a divorced father who had his children 3 days out of 7 every week, and marrying a lady with 3 kids that I have raised.

What age do you no longer blame the parents? When does an individual become responsible for their own actions?
[/quote]

Hell if no one will answer.
I say the kid is responsible for him/herself when they are able to go out into the world by themselves. I don’t mean getting on a school bus or hanging with friends under some form of supervision. Once a person can go and come with freedom they are taking on an adult function so they then own the weight of that resposiblity.

The question is are people teaching this to a kid by beating that ass all the way out the door. At some point a parent should be teaching a kid how to live as an adult out from the safety of the parents roof.[/quote]

What about when they themselves become a parent? teen pregnancy
What about when they start doing drugs/alcohol?

Christine · November 3, 2011, 7:52pm

^
I have no problem with the thread taking a detour.

Four60’s post was a good one.

Even the best parenting can produce terrible adults. So long as you are agonizing over this, I’m sure your doing better than average.

Derek542 · November 3, 2011, 7:54pm

[quote]Christine wrote:
^
I have no problem with the thread taking a detour.

Four60’s post was a good one.

Even the best parenting can produce terrible adults. So long as you are agonizing over this, I’m sure your doing better than average.[/quote]

What is average? 70% or 50%?

I have come to peace with my children, so agonizing was a couple of years ago.

Jewbacca · November 3, 2011, 7:54pm

[quote]Christine wrote:
If she is a bitch, I would blame the parents.

[/quote]

Maybe so. Or maybe she is a bitch.

pat · November 3, 2011, 7:55pm

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Texas Penal Code has this as a 5 year staute of limitations. (There is 10 year one for child abuse that results in “Serious bodily injury,” which this is not – that’s broken bones, etc.)

This happened in 2004.

It is 2011.

Nothing to do.

As an aside, the father is a prick. The daughter, however, is a complete bitch, as well. Filming it and releasing it 6 years later? They deserve each other.[/quote]

I disagree. I think her fear of releasing it back in the day was a legitimate one. He may have decided to giver her a lesson she would never forget.

Second, the fact that she has CP put’s her as a disabled child, that statute may be longer. I don’t know that in TX law, but sufficed to say, everybody hates this guy. He’ll never get custody of the 10 year old sister now. So justice has been done, even if he doesn’t go to jail. He’s been ruined…Fuck him.

I have swatted my kids maybe a hand full of times collectively, never really hard, and never went crazy. They is no issue with respect, or behavior, none. They are just normal kids. When they do something bad, we deal with it, but we don’t have to ‘Show them who’s boss’

Like I said before I hate people who hurt kids.

If you have to beat the fuck out of your kid, the kid ain’t the problem, you are.

I could put a welt on you that’d stay for 2 weeks with one swing of that belt.

pat · November 3, 2011, 7:56pm

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
So who is to blame Dahmer or his parents?

At what age does an individual become responsible for their actions?[/quote]

So if Dahmer just had a proper ass whoopin’ he wouldn’t have been a serial killer?[/quote]

Pat keep reading. [/quote]

I was just messin’ around…

Iron_Dwarf · November 3, 2011, 7:58pm

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Texas Penal Code has this as a 5 year staute of limitations. (There is 10 year one for child abuse that results in “Serious bodily injury,” which this is not – that’s broken bones, etc.)

This happened in 2004.

It is 2011.

Nothing to do.

As an aside, the father is a prick. The daughter, however, is a complete bitch, as well. Filming it and releasing it 6 years later? They deserve each other.[/quote]

I disagree. I think her fear of releasing it back in the day was a legitimate one. He may have decided to giver her a lesson she would never forget.

Second, the fact that she has CP put’s her as a disabled child, that statute may be longer. I don’t know that in TX law, but sufficed to say, everybody hates this guy. He’ll never get custody of the 10 year old sister now. So justice has been done, even if he doesn’t go to jail. He’s been ruined…Fuck him.

I have swatted my kids maybe a hand full of times collectively, never really hard, and never went crazy. They is no issue with respect, or behavior, none. They are just normal kids. When they do something bad, we deal with it, but we don’t have to ‘Show them who’s boss’

Like I said before I hate people who hurt kids.

If you have to beat the fuck out of your kid, the kid ain’t the problem, you are.

I could put a welt on you that’d stay for 2 weeks with one swing of that belt. [/quote]

Agree.

Derek542 · November 3, 2011, 7:59pm

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
So who is to blame Dahmer or his parents?

At what age does an individual become responsible for their actions?[/quote]

So if Dahmer just had a proper ass whoopin’ he wouldn’t have been a serial killer?[/quote]

Pat keep reading. [/quote]

I was just messin’ around…[/quote]

I know.

Dahmer had to have some form of mental illness not yet identified (bat shit crazy is not a DSM IV approved diagnosis) in the psychiatric field. I know there is serious studies going into serial murders and especially ones who eat there victims.

Just take a moment to imagine what his parents have to deal with in life?

four60 · November 3, 2011, 8:01pm

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
So who is to blame Dahmer or his parents?

At what age does an individual become responsible for their actions?[/quote]

You taking notes on analogies from PX?[/quote]

No my question is in regards to individuals who do not have children of their own. They have not watched a child grow from birth to the loss of innocence. As a parent I can see when my children have grown into that age of “adulthood”.

I am not pointing fingers or making judgement in this case, nothing in life is black or white. There are always 3 sides to every story.

So my question is When does the “blame” shift from the Parent to the child? [/quote]

What does this have to do with this thread?

This is truly a Prof. X bait-and-switch.

WTF?[/quote]

Irish maybe, but you and Christine are so quick for judgement and to place blame. So I thought to ask the question.

Before you attack me, again I am just asking a question. I have 5 children ages 20-15 years old.

When they were very young they would get swats on the ass with my hand. I have not spanked my kids since then, I used other forms of punishment. However I could turn you hair grey with the trials and tribulations I have had to go through raising my kids. As a divorced father who had his children 3 days out of 7 every week, and marrying a lady with 3 kids that I have raised.

What age do you no longer blame the parents? When does an individual become responsible for their own actions?
[/quote]

Hell if no one will answer.
I say the kid is responsible for him/herself when they are able to go out into the world by themselves. I don’t mean getting on a school bus or hanging with friends under some form of supervision. Once a person can go and come with freedom they are taking on an adult function so they then own the weight of that resposiblity.

The question is are people teaching this to a kid by beating that ass all the way out the door. At some point a parent should be teaching a kid how to live as an adult out from the safety of the parents roof.[/quote]

What about when they themselves become a parent? teen pregnancy
What about when they start doing drugs/alcohol? [/quote]

That is the thing isnt it. There is no hard and SET in stone rules on this. If a kid becomes pregnant at 13 they are still a kid but NOW they need to take on some ADULT responsabilities. Its no longer party with friends time. They have to give up what was left of that childhood to grow up. But the parents will and should help them with this. That is a hard thing for any FAMILY to go thru.

Christine · November 3, 2011, 8:04pm

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
^
I have no problem with the thread taking a detour.

Four60’s post was a good one.

Even the best parenting can produce terrible adults. So long as you are agonizing over this, I’m sure your doing better than average.[/quote]

What is average? 70% or 50%?

I have come to peace with my children, so agonizing was a couple of years ago.

[/quote]

I honestly have no idea. It is easy to judge others. I don’t have kids, but I do have a wonderful niece and nephew (ages 5&7). They are sweet, respectful, smart and have never been hit.

I can say I think that their parents are doing an above average job, but I do wonder if they will be so sweet once they turn into teenagers.

So, if your not raising child beating serial killers, I’d say you’re doing okay.

Jewbacca · November 3, 2011, 8:05pm

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
This fucking girl has cerebral palsey[/quote]

The nastiest putz I ever met was mildly mentally retarded kid.

He used to punch and kick and generally attack other students because he could play the “mentally retarded” card and get out of consequences. He pushed a guy down a set of stairs right in front of me, in fact.

I’m not going to give her a pass just because she had cerebal palsey. She has enough snap to run a computer — apprently well — and enough snap to understand what releasing this video on the net would do.

And again, this was 2004. Limitations ran in 2009. It’s 2011.

There is not a thing that can legally be done, except run a candidate against this judge the next time he is up for election.

Derek542 · November 3, 2011, 8:05pm