[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
This muscle tightness: was this in the presence of aromatizing steroids, without excessive aromatase inhibitor, and so definitely was not caused by low estrogen?[/quote]
It has been some time, but…the Masteron Enanthate at approximatly 700mg/week was run with 500-600mg/week of testosterone enanthate and Arimidex at .5mg/day. Those doses of testosterone and Arimidex in the past, for me, have never produced any evidence of low estrogen.
You’re question does make me wonder though, as I simply attributed the issue to the Materon without much thought. I know I have seen others complain of muscle tightness while running Materon…BushidoBadBoy sticks in my mind for some reason, maybe he could comment.
I have experienced, while running Arimidex, muscle fatigue and extreme pump in smaller muscle groups. Then switching to Letrozole, at comparable doses relieved the issues. Perhaps the muscle tightness, or what I perceived as muscle tightness, was a combination of the issues caused by Arimidex and the extreme hardening effects caused by the Masteron. I’m just thinking out-loud here…this might not make much sense…anyone have any thoughts.
I will, in a month or so, be running a high dose of Masteron Propionate(approx. 800mg/week) in conjunction with 100iu/day of hCG and 2.5mg/week of Letrozole. Maybe I can shed some more light one the question afterward.
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As for aggression, btw oxandrolone (150 mg/day for a brief period) also gave me the only really excessive increase in irritability that I’ve ever had from anything.[/quote]
The dose I experienced this with was 200mg/day run with 50mg/day of TP.
I will, in a month or so, be running a high dose of Masteron Propionate(approx. 800mg/week) in conjunction with 100iu/day of hCG and 2.5mg/week of Letrozole. Maybe I can shed some more light one the question afterward.[/quote]
Thanks!
As I have considerable trouble with muscle tightness with just about everything connecting to the left shoulder and scapula – and if there’s an exception, some such thing that isn’t chronically tight, I don’t know what it is – your follow-up finding would definitely be of interest and importance to me, as the last thing I would need would be an agent increasing muscle tightening.
As for aggression, btw oxandrolone (150 mg/day for a brief period) also gave me the only really excessive increase in irritability that I’ve ever had from anything.
[quote]The dose I experienced this with was 200mg/day run with 50mg/day of TP.
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And here I’d thought I’d gone high with the 150 mg/day.
Actually I used that on account of being a literature value I was suspect of. There was a journal article reporting claimed mass-gain figures for an athlete using “1 g/week” of oxandrolone and supposedly using only oxandrolone, which would work out to about 150 mg/day.
I ended up with the suspicion that the athlete’s self-account was not truthful and he probably used something else as well, as my experience at that dose made the claimed 40 lb (or something like this) LBM gain in 8 weeks from oxandrolone alone seem unlikely to me.
Just as an getting-off-topic tangent. Anyhow I see you used more yet, but wisely included the testosterone. I did not as I wanted to match up with the claimed report.
I have never been accused of choosing conservative doses. I really wanted to compare the oxandrolone to TA and Masteron. I was truly disappointed with oxandrolone, considering all the feedback I had read on the boards. The raw material I used was, by all accounts, of high quality. I experienced all of the touted effects, but not to the extent I had imagined or had read about.
By the way, I did two runs with it, one just shy of four weeks and another just over two weeks. I will never use oxandrolone again, as I would rather forgo the liver toxicity and use TA, which I now consider superior to oxandrolone…and it’s cheaper!
masteron was used as an anti-e back in the old day, before SERM and AI was widely avaliable. Although it is only a mild anti-e. Bit like proviron, another DHT derivative. When you are running a standrad test with .5 anastrozole daily, let’s assume your e level is normal. But when you use another 700mg/week of materon on top of that, with the same amount of AI, I think your oestrogen level may have tanked. or at least, some oestrogen mediated effect was supressed. Which may explain your overly tight muscles.
W.H.B, are you going to run masteron prop next month as a standalone? if so what is the purpose of letro? are you running test with it too? I would suggest you to lower your AI, in the presence of large amount of DHT. Do regular blood works, and watch your lipd profile /blood pressure.
I find 100mg/ml TP to be very painful and not worth using. This is with both UG and home-made preparations. The home-made being 2% BA and 20% BB. However, 50mg/ml with 2% BA in Wesson oil is completely painless for me(thank you to Bill Roberts who suggested this to me and restored my hope in using short ester AAS). Because of this, I now believe the claim that some are “allergic” to TP is utterly ridiculous, which once again Bill has been saying for some time now. It’s the preparation that causes the pain not the hormone. That being said, some seem to handle the higher concentration preparations just fine. I unfortunately am not one of those people.
I would like to test the limits of the 2% BA though. Since TP can hold in oil at approximately 50mg/ml, I’m curious as to how much the 2% BA preparation can hold. Of course my pain tolerance due to the higher concentration per ml will be another limiting factor. If I need to add a bit of extra co-solvent, I will give that a try too. My ultimate goal would be approximately 70mg/ml. This would allow for one shot per day to put me at around 500mg/week and two shots per day at around 1000mg/week. These days, if I am using another compound with testosterone, I like to keep the testosterone in between 350-500mg/week. If I am using testosterone alone, I like to use around 1000mg/week. The 50mg/ml and 70mg/ml preparations would allow me to accommodate those three scenarios perfectly.
[quote]mephistopheles wrote:
masteron was used as an anti-e back in the old day, before SERM and AI was widely avaliable. Although it is only a mild anti-e. Bit like proviron, another DHT derivative. When you are running a standrad test with .5 anastrozole daily, let’s assume your e level is normal. But when you use another 700mg/week of materon on top of that, with the same amount of AI, I think your oestrogen level may have tanked. or at least, some oestrogen mediated effect was supressed. Which may explain your overly tight muscles.
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It has been a while since I looked into Masteron as an anti-estrogen. From what I can remember, it is very weak in that regard and the evidence is shaky, and it’s based mainly on the assumption that Masteron acts as DHT in the body. I believe, also, that the majority of the literature on Masteron is from female breast cancer subjects. I could be wrong though, as I said, it has been a while since I looked into it. If my estrogen levels had in fact “tanked”, I believe I would have experienced other symptoms in that regard, which I do not recall experiencing. I’ll keep that in mind though. Does anyone else have any comments on that?
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W.H.B, are you going to run masteron prop next month as a standalone? if so what is the purpose of letro? are you running test with it too? I would suggest you to lower your AI, in the presence of large amount of DHT. Do regular blood works, and watch your lipd profile /blood pressure. [/quote]
I am running it with hCG, not as a stand-alone. The purpose of the Letrozole is to keep estrogen in check due to hCG. It is a fairly low dose and one that I use while off AAS as well. I no longer run high doses for much longer than six weeks and short-term changes to blood lipids and blood pressure are not of much a concern to me.
I’m looking forward to giving prop another shot @ 50mg/ml. I pretty much had to abandon the compound altogether during my last cycle. Each shot would put that muscle out of commission for a few days (except the delts for whatever reason).
I always found it a bit of a shame because it’s the one compound that I “feel” the most in terms of strength and size.
Actually, my next two weeker is starting on Monday;
Strictly speaking in terms of gains would it be the same to frontload prop and lessen the dose for the remainder of the 2 weeks? … Or just keep the dose the same throughtout?
-I was going to rock 1000mg of testP (total for the cycle)
-combined with 50mg ed of d-bol (I got the 10mg blue hearts from Thailand)
I also have a full can of both oxandrolone and winstrol tabs. But I’m not sure if I can intelligently include them without hem being redundant with test and dbol.
Can I make an argument to include these two compounds?
I really wanted to compare the oxandrolone to TA and Masteron. I was truly disappointed with oxandrolone, considering all the feedback I had read on the boards. The raw material I used was, by all accounts, of high quality. I experienced all of the touted effects, but not to the extent I had imagined or had read about.