i know you guys frown on newb’s here but please hear me out.
im 23 years old, 6’ 1, 220 lb. dont know body fat but im not flabby by any means. i look pretty strong. been training for about 6 years and i like to think im pretty experienced. i train mostly for strength but the muscle mass is a welcome bonus. i can dead lift 585 lb, front squat 310 lb and put 230 lb over head standing. im quite proud of how i have progressed in my lifting. i feel i have a good understanding of nutrition and recovery as well.
what i dont know a thing about is steroids. i have decided over the last few months that i would like to try them. i have been reading for a while but still dont fully understand it all. i wanna use what would be considered the cleanest or safest kind. im concerned about losing my sex drive or having erection problems.
im thinking about doing 500 mg/week of just testosterone. from what i understand this would be the least likely to mess with my sex drive and safest for side effects such as hair loss and bitch tits. i may be wrong, if so please correct me.
what do you guys think of taking 500 mg’week of just test for strength and some added muscle ? im not tryin to add 40 lb just want that bit of an edge, lean up a little and add some muscle and strength. should i take something with it to minimise possible side effects ?
any help is much appreciated, as you can see im quite un educated about it all.
[quote]deadliften wrote:
i know you guys frown on newb’s here but please hear me out.
im 23 years old, 6’ 1, 220 lb. dont know body fat but im not flabby by any means. i look pretty strong. been training for about 6 years and i like to think im pretty experienced. i train mostly for strength but the muscle mass is a welcome bonus. i can dead lift 585 lb, front squat 310 lb and put 230 lb over head standing. im quite proud of how i have progressed in my lifting. i feel i have a good understanding of nutrition and recovery as well.
what i dont know a thing about is steroids. i have decided over the last few months that i would like to try them. i have been reading for a while but still dont fully understand it all. i wanna use what would be considered the cleanest or safest kind. im concerned about losing my sex drive or having erection problems.
im thinking about doing 500 mg/week of just testosterone. from what i understand this would be the least likely to mess with my sex drive and safest for side effects such as hair loss and bitch tits. i may be wrong, if so please correct me.
what do you guys think of taking 500 mg’week of just test for strength and some added muscle ? im not tryin to add 40 lb just want that bit of an edge, lean up a little and add some muscle and strength. should i take something with it to minimise possible side effects ?
any help is much appreciated, as you can see im quite un educated about it all.[/quote]
i have been reading for a while but still dont fully understand it all.
Keep reading until you do.
Other than that, 500mg Test-E is a pretty basic cycle and I think you’re on the right track - keep it simple.
…but seriously - keep reading (at least long enough to come up with a specific question)
yea man, i was in your shoes about two weeks ago. a good read to understand how to use gear would be the steroid newbie thread and newbie cycle plan on the top of the page. from what ive found its good to keep it simple at first. 500mg equals good result with minimal sides. you’ll have to take AI’s and have SERMS on hand to put together a post cycle therapy protocol, but its not that hard to do. just keep reading. the more you know the better.
and nice dead lift. never worked on them that much myself, but pulled 525 at age 18. all i know is i had a hard time standing up straight for a day or two. if you want look at my recent thread its got what i’m planning on doing for my first cycle, and people on here get a little hostile on questions that have been answered in several threads so researching first and then asking questions is the standard protocol. good luck man.
You sound like you’re on the right track. Nice lifts, btw, more than me
Nobody here frowns on newbs, just on people that don’t do research and then don’t listen to advice. Kind of pandemic…
Anyway, a basic T cycle and the proper ancillaries (AI & SERM) is a very prudent first cycle for most people, imo. Side effects are still possible, but by limiting yourself to one compound things are more predictable and manageable.
The only thing that I can add is that since you’re more interested in strength than size, you might find that you put on more size than you want.
thanks guys. it seems like the more i read the more i realise i know nothing about them. i hadnt even heard about AI & SERM. ill go do a search on ancillaries, this just shows that im not quite ready to experiment yet. ill keep researching and post back in here when im on track again.
When you decide to take the plunge you must be able to understand the nature of these drugs. They aren’t your typical GNC pre-workout supplement. As far as 500mg/week is concerned how safe and how the drug will react is completely up to your body. Testosterone admin is by no means a ‘safe’ cycle. Gyno and hairloss are very possible side-effects with gyno almost being a given. For the sake of the keeping it simple, yes a 500mg/week completely crafted protocol will give you an ‘edge’. You must also not neglect, AI and SERM admin in conjuction with your cycle and at what times administer which. You can never learn enough on the subject. Cheers
i have been reading all day and this is what i have come up with now. keep in mind i will do further research before i make the plunge and im open to suggestions.
500 mg/week testosterone along with nolvadex but im not sure of what dose nolvadex i should take.
post cycle ill start HCG at 5500 IU weekly for 3 weeks then ill start 50-100 mg chlomid daily for six weeks.
[quote]deadliften wrote:
i have been reading all day and this is what i have come up with now. keep in mind i will do further research before i make the plunge and im open to suggestions.
500 mg/week testosterone along with nolvadex but im not sure of what dose nolvadex i should take.
post cycle ill start HCG at 5500 IU weekly for 3 weeks then ill start 50-100 mg chlomid daily for six weeks.
does this sound right ?[/quote]
almost, try this on for size.
I will tell you what compunds and you please do yourself a favor and read all you can and come back and tell me and everyone else why I chose these ok?
testosterone Enth,500 mg a week, shot every other day for 12 weeks
at the same time you start the test start taking arimidex at .25mg every day
after the 12 weeks keep taking the arimidex at .25mg every day and 10 days or so after last shot take nolvadex.
please read and fill in the blanks as I have left plenty of blanks.
this is a proven and effective very simple cycle.
An alternative that will be easier to recover from:
8 weeks of Test Enanth:
Wk1 875mg TE (625mg 1x/wk + 250mg 1x/wk)
Wk2 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk3 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk4 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk5 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk6 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk7 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk8 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Use Arimidex/anastroxole at 0.25mg everyday or everyother day - depending on your distorted view of bodyfat
This can be increased to 0.5mg ED but i doubt it will be necessary.
This gives 8 functional weeks of test levels where 12 weeks gives 6 seeing as peak levels of enanthate dont occur until week 6.
Not only this but shorter cycles are easier to recover from.
I think you’ve been reading from a poor source. All elements of your plan are contrary to the consensus of this forum.
Your choice of test for AAS is fine.
You haven’t indicated which ester of test you will use.
You have selected nolva during your cycle however a SERM is not recommended during cycle.
An AI (Aromatase Inhibitor) is recommended during cycle, but you have omitted that.
You have selected a SERM (Clomid) that requires higher dosage than Nolva for your PCT (Post Cycle Therapy). Clomid is known for worse side effects too.
You are looking to use hCG post cycle (when it’s use is discouraged) and at a dose 6 times higher than what is recommended. hCG is recommended to maintain testicular size and function during cycle at 250iu EOD.
Find a better source of info, like the stickys & threads of this forum.
[quote] Brook wrote:
An alternative that will be easier to recover from:
8 weeks of Test Enanth:
Wk1 875mg TE (625mg 1x/wk + 250mg 1x/wk)
Wk2 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk3 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk4 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk5 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk6 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk7 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk8 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Use Arimidex/anastroxole at 0.25mg everyday or everyother day - depending on your distorted view of bodyfat
This can be increased to 0.5mg ED but i doubt it will be necessary.
This gives 8 functional weeks of test levels where 12 weeks gives 6 seeing as peak levels of enanthate dont occur until week 6.
Not only this but shorter cycles are easier to recover from.
[quote]deadliften wrote:
i know you guys frown on newb’s here but please hear me out.
im 23 years old, 6’ 1, 220 lb. dont know body fat but im not flabby by any means. i look pretty strong. been training for about 6 years and i like to think im pretty experienced. i train mostly for strength but the muscle mass is a welcome bonus. i can dead lift 585 lb, front squat 310 lb and put 230 lb over head standing.
im quite proud of how i have progressed in my lifting. i feel i have a good understanding of nutrition and recovery as well.
what i dont know a thing about is steroids. i have decided over the last few months that i would like to try them. i have been reading for a while but still dont fully understand it all. i wanna use what would be considered the cleanest or safest kind. im concerned about losing my sex drive or having erection problems.
im thinking about doing 500 mg/week of just testosterone. from what i understand this would be the least likely to mess with my sex drive and safest for side effects such as hair loss and bitch tits. i may be wrong, if so please correct me.
what do you guys think of taking 500 mg’week of just test for strength and some added muscle ? im not tryin to add 40 lb just want that bit of an edge, lean up a little and add some muscle and strength. should i take something with it to minimise possible side effects ?
any help is much appreciated, as you can see im quite un educated about it all.[/quote]
Know your numbers. Get a blood test or saliva test for T.
Test again at the end of the cycle.
I’d also divide the 500 mg into 2 pins per week, but that’s just me.
40 mg/ed of Dbol for the first 4 weeks will jumpstart your program.
every one thanks for your guidence. its really appreciated.
dynamo hum, after reading your post i did a search and found out that yes, my earlier source of info was incorrect, cheers for pointing that out.
maddy d and brooks, thanks for steering me in the right direction. for the record i have decided ill follow the course brooks has laid out. just seems to be what im lookin for, easier recovery and shorter time span. thanks again.
[quote]deadliften wrote:
every one thanks for your guidence. its really appreciated.
dynamo hum, after reading your post i did a search and found out that yes, my earlier source of info was incorrect, cheers for pointing that out.
maddy d and brooks, thanks for steering me in the right direction. for the record i have decided ill follow the course brooks has laid out. just seems to be what im lookin for, easier recovery and shorter time span. thanks again.[/quote]
youve done well, much better alot of people as of late that dont listen.
any questions or issues do not be afriad to either make a thread or pm one of us in this thread.
Good luck on this and main thing, you can add in as much test as you like,but if your diet or training is crap you will get crap results.
make sure diet and training is on point as well, so as your not waisting any time or effort here.
thanks G.I. joe, but im an idiot, its not test prop. its actually test cyp.
would test cyp. be any different to enth. ?
im guessing it will. ill do a search and see what i find. if any one would like to guide me it would be great, most of what i have been reading turns out to be false
[quote]deadliften wrote:
thanks G.I. joe, but im an idiot, its not test prop. its actually test cyp.
would test cyp. be any different to enth. ?
im guessing it will. ill do a search and see what i find. if any one would like to guide me it would be great, most of what i have been reading turns out to be false :([/quote]
cyp and enth are close
cyp is slightly longer I think but still 2x a week for stable blood levels
The half life for Cyp is a few days longer than enanthate. Say 8 days verses 5.
So your cycle would look like this with a frontload:
Wk1 1050mg T Cyp (800mg 1x/wk + 250mg 1x/wk)
Wk2 500 mg T Cyp (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk3 500 mg T Cyp (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk4 500 mg T Cyp (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk5 500 mg T Cyp (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk6 500 mg T Cyp (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk7 500 mg T Cyp (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk8 500 mg T Cyp (250mg 2x/wk)
Adex
Day 1: frontload 0.6mg
Day 2 to end of week 8: 0.3mg EOD (adjust as needed)
SERM PCT
Wk11 Day 1 140mg Nolva split throughout day (frontload)
Wk11-14 20mg/d Nolva (starting day2 of week 11)
You can continue using low dose Adex during weeks 9 and 10 tapering down from 0.3mg EOD to about 0.14mg EOD. Optionally you can continue on that dose (0.14mg EOD give or take) indefinitely to keep E2 in low-normal range and maximise free test.
[quote] Brook wrote:
An alternative that will be easier to recover from:
8 weeks of Test Enanth:
Wk1 875mg TE (625mg 1x/wk + 250mg 1x/wk)
Wk2 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk3 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk4 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk5 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk6 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk7 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk8 500mg TE (250mg 2x/wk)
Use Arimidex/anastroxole at 0.25mg everyday or everyother day - depending on your distorted view of bodyfat
This can be increased to 0.5mg ED but i doubt it will be necessary.
This gives 8 functional weeks of test levels where 12 weeks gives 6 seeing as peak levels of enanthate dont occur until week 6.
Not only this but shorter cycles are easier to recover from.
Brook
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I like the layout for this cycle, but I notice there is no SERM listed. I would guess that if one were needed it would be Nolva, but in what amount and when? Or was it left out on purpose because of the AI?
