[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
commencement of future cycle.[/quote]
???
seriously?
Youve almost certainly destroyed your HPTA at this point. Why are you still entertaining the idea of cycling? The shutdown/recovery/shutdown/recovery process is wreaking havoc on your system.
Go on trt, blast and cruise and be done with it.
You are putting all these extra drugs in your body for no reason.
Obviously it’s your body and your choice but youre clearly being naive about your current situation.
if you have such a control on when your body is good to go, and you know how to manage and interpret your bloodwork, then you dont need any further help IMHO. if thats not the case, it would be interesting to know your hormone levels in order to advice a tailored course of action.
experts do recommed hcg monotherapy at low dose together with an AI to give the testes a push. but efectiveness can be limited by your amount of dhea-s if it at its low end.
dont think of doing another cycle before restoring completly from this one.
just my honest opinion.
cheers and best of luck
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
commencement of future cycle.[/quote]
???
seriously?
Youve almost certainly destroyed your HPTA at this point. Why are you still entertaining the idea of cycling? The shutdown/recovery/shutdown/recovery process is wreaking havoc on your system.
Go on trt, blast and cruise and be done with it.
You are putting all these extra drugs in your body for no reason.
Obviously it’s your body and your choice but youre clearly being naive about your current situation. [/quote]
I understand what you are saying about TRT but im nowhere near the age I want to be when I start TRT.
TRT is a life-long endeavour (most cases) and something I dont really want to consider at this point.
By future cycle I meant once I have fully recovered and had the necessary time off, are you saying this standard protocol of cycling is not a good idea for me?
In all fairness I am only on week 1.5 of PCT, so I suppose I am over-reacting. On the plus side, I did wake up with morning wood today and I am also growing so thats a good sign.
Testicles seem to be on their way back size-wise.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
commencement of future cycle.[/quote]
???
seriously?
Youve almost certainly destroyed your HPTA at this point. Why are you still entertaining the idea of cycling? The shutdown/recovery/shutdown/recovery process is wreaking havoc on your system.
Go on trt, blast and cruise and be done with it.
You are putting all these extra drugs in your body for no reason.
Obviously it’s your body and your choice but youre clearly being naive about your current situation. [/quote]
I understand what you are saying about TRT but im nowhere near the age I want to be when I start TRT.
TRT is a life-long endeavour (most cases) and something I dont really want to consider at this point.
By future cycle I meant once I have fully recovered and had the necessary time off, are you saying this standard protocol of cycling is not a good idea for me?
In all fairness I am only on week 1.5 of PCT, so I suppose I am over-reacting. On the plus side, I did wake up with morning wood today and I am also growing so thats a good sign.
Testicles seem to be on their way back size-wise. [/quote]
Sorry, for some reason I had it in my head that you were done with PCT.
Ride it out then.
But my general opinion is that cycling is a bad idea for MOST people, save for specific circumstances.
2 steps forward, 1 step back in terms of gains + the perpetual stopping and starting of the HPTA. Cycling is no safer than blasting and cruising, IMO, and blasting and cruising saves the hassle and headache of trying to recover (which only gets more difficult with each subsequent cycle).
theres a lot more to this issue but I dont have time to type everything
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
but im nowhere near the age I WANT to be when I start TRT.
[/quote]
Not everyone has the choice in this regard.
[quote]Pilosox wrote:
if you have such a control on when your body is good to go, and you know how to manage and interpret your bloodwork, then you dont need any further help IMHO. if thats not the case, it would be interesting to know your hormone levels in order to advice a tailored course of action.
experts do recommed hcg monotherapy at low dose together with an AI to give the testes a push. but efectiveness can be limited by your amount of dhea-s if it at its low end.
dont think of doing another cycle before restoring completly from this one.
just my honest opinion.
cheers and best of luck[/quote]
Thank you for the input, yes I agree with you that im not going to jump on a cycle anytime soon most definetly.
I am thinking into TRT, but considering my age its not worth it.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
commencement of future cycle.[/quote]
???
seriously?
Youve almost certainly destroyed your HPTA at this point. Why are you still entertaining the idea of cycling? The shutdown/recovery/shutdown/recovery process is wreaking havoc on your system.
Go on trt, blast and cruise and be done with it.
You are putting all these extra drugs in your body for no reason.
Obviously it’s your body and your choice but youre clearly being naive about your current situation. [/quote]
I understand what you are saying about TRT but im nowhere near the age I want to be when I start TRT.
TRT is a life-long endeavour (most cases) and something I dont really want to consider at this point.
By future cycle I meant once I have fully recovered and had the necessary time off, are you saying this standard protocol of cycling is not a good idea for me?
In all fairness I am only on week 1.5 of PCT, so I suppose I am over-reacting. On the plus side, I did wake up with morning wood today and I am also growing so thats a good sign.
Testicles seem to be on their way back size-wise. [/quote]
Sorry, for some reason I had it in my head that you were done with PCT.
Ride it out then.
But my general opinion is that cycling is a bad idea for MOST people, save for specific circumstances.
2 steps forward, 1 step back in terms of gains + the perpetual stopping and starting of the HPTA. Cycling is no safer than blasting and cruising, IMO, and blasting and cruising saves the hassle and headache of trying to recover (which only gets more difficult with each subsequent cycle).
theres a lot more to this issue but I dont have time to type everything [/quote]
Thank you for your input. I agree that it is harder to recover after continous cycles, are you on self-TRT?
Obviously one has to consider the cost aswell, buying enough AI’s and hCG all must be factored in. Something that bothers me about TRT however is, obviously you will be shutdown on TRT.
What happens in regards to LH and FSH? LH I understand is only necessary for own testosterone production but what about FSH for spermatogenisis? How would one go about impregnating while blasting and cruising?
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
commencement of future cycle.[/quote]
???
seriously?
Youve almost certainly destroyed your HPTA at this point. Why are you still entertaining the idea of cycling? The shutdown/recovery/shutdown/recovery process is wreaking havoc on your system.
Go on trt, blast and cruise and be done with it.
You are putting all these extra drugs in your body for no reason.
Obviously it’s your body and your choice but youre clearly being naive about your current situation. [/quote]
I understand what you are saying about TRT but im nowhere near the age I want to be when I start TRT.
TRT is a life-long endeavour (most cases) and something I dont really want to consider at this point.
By future cycle I meant once I have fully recovered and had the necessary time off, are you saying this standard protocol of cycling is not a good idea for me?
In all fairness I am only on week 1.5 of PCT, so I suppose I am over-reacting. On the plus side, I did wake up with morning wood today and I am also growing so thats a good sign.
Testicles seem to be on their way back size-wise. [/quote]
Sorry, for some reason I had it in my head that you were done with PCT.
Ride it out then.
But my general opinion is that cycling is a bad idea for MOST people, save for specific circumstances.
2 steps forward, 1 step back in terms of gains + the perpetual stopping and starting of the HPTA. Cycling is no safer than blasting and cruising, IMO, and blasting and cruising saves the hassle and headache of trying to recover (which only gets more difficult with each subsequent cycle).
theres a lot more to this issue but I dont have time to type everything [/quote]
Thank you for your input. I agree that it is harder to recover after continous cycles, are you on self-TRT?
Obviously one has to consider the cost aswell, buying enough AI’s and hCG all must be factored in. Something that bothers me about TRT however is, obviously you will be shutdown on TRT. What happens in regards to LH and FSH? LH I understand is only necessary for own testosterone production but what about FSH for spermatogenisis? How would one go about impregnating while blasting and cruising?[/quote]
And this is when you move on over to the trt forum lol. These questions have all been answered.
AI powder can be had quite cheap if you find the right source. But yes, these things cost money. But so does triptorelin, if you see where Im going with this.
LH is maintained with hCG.
FSH can be stimulated with HMG. That stuff is very expensive through a doctor, but less so through the sources youre accustomed to using.
SERMs also factor in while trying to have a child. There is a lot of info floating around about 10+ year users implementing various protocols to get their wives/gf pregnant.
No Im not on TRT. I dont use AAS much anymore, if at all, as Im not looking to much bigger.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
commencement of future cycle.[/quote]
???
seriously?
Youve almost certainly destroyed your HPTA at this point. Why are you still entertaining the idea of cycling? The shutdown/recovery/shutdown/recovery process is wreaking havoc on your system.
Go on trt, blast and cruise and be done with it.
You are putting all these extra drugs in your body for no reason.
Obviously it’s your body and your choice but youre clearly being naive about your current situation. [/quote]
Singbuilder: Bonez has beaten me to the punch. I was planning on saying exactly this to you, albeit with a little more sugar coating. The prospect of HRT is daunting, I know, I’ve been there, but if you always plan on training, using AAS on and off, and having a great sex life,whilst actually KEEPING your gains, then it’s the best option. I procrastinated for years and wasted all of that time as far as gains are concerned, and probably (I can’t prove this) stressed my body MORE with the repeated attempts at recovering.
I was in EXACTLY the same position as you. You have two choices now: stop using AAS, recover as best as possible and forget about using AAS again, whilst hoping you recover fully.
Your endocrine system, like mine, is NOT robust enough for cycling. HRT is the most viable option, life is short, too short to be skinny and weak with a tanked libido and void of the capacity to maintain an erection.
I’d fight tooth and nail to avoid TRT. I’d try Tripto first.
That being said, your days of cycling are over.
AAS forever. Or ‘off’ forever. There’s little choice I’m afraid.
Good luck though!
maybe once you recover you should try BR 2on/2off with hcg during cycle.
its supposed to be easier to recover from that kind of cycle. give it a try!
And your only one week into pct. i wouldnt panic so soon. do your bloods and then it will be clear whats happening. had the same problem as you and clomid helped a lot. i will try shorter cycles amd if that isnt easier on my system either, then i will drop AAS. but use your options first, and always on the safe side with long rest periods.
[quote]Pilosox wrote:
maybe once you recover you should try BR 2on/2off with hcg during cycle.
its supposed to be easier to recover from that kind of cycle. give it a try! [/quote]
How many cycles have you run? How many years experience do you have, if cycling doesnt apply?
never tried 2/2 protocol, but willing to try it soon. 6 years training, 2 years from now of AAS usage, 4 cycles under my belt. the lenght of the cycle influences in my recovery a lot, so will try shorter protocols to avoid harsh pct…and thats my suggestion…he can take it or leave it. but i think TRT isnt an option for young guys like me or him…
im by no means an expert and please correct me if im wrong on my toughts, in order to keep learning. thanks
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never tried 2/2 protocol, but willing to try it soon. 6 years training, 2 years from now of AAS usage, 4 cycles under my belt. the lenght of the cycle influences in my recovery a lot, so will try shorter protocols to avoid harsh pct…and thats my suggestion…he can take it or leave it. but i think TRT isnt an option for young guys like me or him…
[quote]Pilosox wrote:
never tried 2/2 protocol, but willing to try it soon. 6 years training, 2 years from now of AAS usage, 4 cycles under my belt. the lenght of the cycle influences in my recovery a lot, so will try shorter protocols to avoid harsh pct…and thats my suggestion…he can take it or leave it. but i think TRT isnt an option for young guys like me or him…[/quote]
It is. In fact its your only option if you’ve wrecked your HPTA.
If you want some back info read his other threads, it seems Singhbulder has a particularly difficult time recovering from any usage.
At this point I’d say give it up forever or beginning looking into BC or TRT.
[quote]Pilosox wrote:
never tried 2/2 protocol, but willing to try it soon. 6 years training, 2 years from now of AAS usage, 4 cycles under my belt. the lenght of the cycle influences in my recovery a lot, so will try shorter protocols to avoid harsh pct…and thats my suggestion…he can take it or leave it. but i think TRT isnt an option for young guys like me or him…[/quote]
Im not sure why you’d recommend something you hadn’t tried. Paticularly if you think you are in a similar situation to theOP.
OP has been around this board for plenty long enough to be aware of Bill’s 2 on 2 off protocol.
[quote]Pilosox wrote:
but i think TRT isnt an option for young guys like me or him…[/quote]
Why?
What does chronological age have to do with whether someones HPTA functions or not? Aside from the natural decrease in function that doesnt apply here.