I see… I persnally get OK “stimulation” from 50mg a day, and that is the lower end of the range i read about. the top was 75mg… i guess it depends on how safe you want to play it - pretty safe i suppose as it is for the PCT…
If you find some article on it, please will you forward it to me?
[quote]2thepain wrote:
I am not up on my proviron studies, are there any available that show a negative effect on the HPTA at any dose?[/quote]
“In a double-blind placebo controlled study, the clinical effects of 300-450 mg daily mesterolone were investigated in 52 relatively young … Mesterolone treatment significantly decreased both plasma testosterone and protein bound testosterone levels.”
Granted thats a shit ton of proviron, but theres your study.
Interesting reading. Thanks. But you mentioned insulin at the end. I have used it many times and had no problems usually with anabolics and gh but I always wondered how it would work in an off period. What dose and what type of insulin would u suggest for such a time period?
When i started asking the same questions, a GOOD friend told me that if i didnt know the answer to those types of questions on my own, then i had no business using that.
He was damn right. There is plenty of reading to be done, PLENTY.
The info is out there, tons of it.
I’ve used insulin over ten times with no problem. I know what dose to use during a cycle. The guy that made the post seems knowledgable so I wanted his opinion on using it while off, something I have not done. I’m sure I could figure something out but it would be nice to get some input from someone who has had experience. So, please don’t infer that I don’t know what i’m doing. I don’t know how old u are but I’ve been competing since 18 and i’mm 33. So I would say I know quite a bit about anbolics, ect. But you can always learn more. That is why I ask.
Currently in the stasis period atm. 4th week, will run it probably for another 2, after which I will go into the nolva pct. Just wondering if you go onto nolva straight away or wait 2 weeks as you would in the traditional pct/without a stasis period?
[quote]joeblow wrote:
I’ve used insulin over ten times with no problem. I know what dose to use during a cycle. The guy that made the post seems knowledgable so I wanted his opinion on using it while off, something I have not done. I’m sure I could figure something out but it would be nice to get some input from someone who has had experience. So, please don’t infer that I don’t know what i’m doing. I don’t know how old u are but I’ve been competing since 18 and i’mm 33. So I would say I know quite a bit about anbolics, ect. But you can always learn more. That is why I ask.[/quote]
I HAVE used slin while off.
Dont patronise me sweetheart - that wasnt MY intention.
Who is talking about AAS here? Who is talking about competing? Fucking moron.
Way to go get advice.
wtf is your problem? I was very civil to you. I have no desire to argue with u. u obviously have some kind of inferiority complex if a message board makes you so damn angry. Relax, man.
Also, u want to argue pm me and we’ll compare resumes wtf have u ever done in bodybuilding? tell me I want to know. Besides wasting ur money so u can walk down the beach with big arms.
And I know ur probably used to calling men “sweethart” but please don’t call me “sweethart” you retard.
[quote]joeblow wrote:
I have no man.
Also, u want to argue pm me and tell me I want to know. Besides u can walk down the beach with big arms.
And I used to call men “sweethart” but please call me “sweethart”.[/quote]
[quote]joeblow wrote:
wtf is your problem? I was very civil to you. I have no desire to argue with u. u obviously have some kind of inferiority complex if a message board makes you so damn angry. Relax, man.
Also, u want to argue pm me and we’ll compare resumes wtf have u ever done in bodybuilding? tell me I want to know. Besides wasting ur money so u can walk down the beach with big arms.
And I know ur probably used to calling men “sweethart” but please don’t call me “sweethart” you retard.[/quote]
YGPM.
By the way - you havent been around here for a while… you seemed to take a break after some serious flaming after you gave EVEN MORE of your amazingly bad information to a poster…
I remember that. I remember that give bad advice in nearly every post you make.
Looking for some verification here. The way I understand this protocol there is a dramatic decrease from cycle to stasis prior to the actual taper and I just want to be sure that I am understanding this correctly. For example, if I were running a 7 week Test prop/Winny cycle, at the end of the 7 weeks I go straight from injecting 1.5 cc EOD of Test Prop. to .3 cc EOD? (going from 525mg/wk to 100mg/wk) Stasis at .3 EOD (100mg/wk) for four weeks before beginning taper - correct?
This is an awesome thread, but I just have one question
This is my second cycle…decided to go with
1-12 500mg Testosterone Enanthate
1-11 600mg Boldenone Undecylenate(Equipoise)
1-5 35mg Dianabol (ed)
Frontloading the Test E @ 1000mg for the first week
…and for my PCT
Taper
13-18 100mg Test E
19 80mg Test E
20 60mg Test E
21 50mg Test E
22 40mg Test E
23 30mg Test E
24 20mg Test E
My main question is:
Should I throw in some nolvadex or clomid just for good measure during the actual taper and how should that be done?
[quote]adam15425 wrote:
This is an awesome thread, but I just have one question
This is my second cycle…decided to go with
1-12 500mg Testosterone Enanthate
1-11 600mg Boldenone Undecylenate(Equipoise)
1-5 35mg Dianabol (ed)
Frontloading the Test E @ 1000mg for the first week
…and for my PCT
Taper
13-18 100mg Test E
19 80mg Test E
20 60mg Test E
21 50mg Test E
22 40mg Test E
23 30mg Test E
24 20mg Test E
My main question is:
Should I throw in some nolvadex or clomid just for good measure during the actual taper and how should that be done?
[/quote]
SERM or no SERM
Yes - if you are prone to gyno.
No - if you are not prone to gyno.
Maybe - if you don’t know if you’re prone to gyno.
When to incorporate?
See page one of awesome thread: [i]Once the taper starts, that is around the time you would start using a serm if you are going to use one.
You can taper without a serm and still be successfull doing so.
the research showed no hpta suppression while using a serm and low dose testosterone - 100mg per week
It also showed no hpta suppression with no serm use while using 25mg of testosterone enanthate per week.
So as i said it is possible to taper with our without a serm successfully.[/i]
[quote]AlteredState wrote:
Pretty nice. The only thing I might say is that since you used boldenone, you migh want to extend the stasis for 2 more weeks, just to be sure.[/quote]
I was thinking the same at first. But I’m going to stop the boldenone at week 11 and running the test e until week 12. Shouldn’t that be enough time (7 weeks until the actual taper)for the boldenone to clear my system?
what about using Rhodiola Rosea to control cortisol?