[quote]pushharder wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
…I don’t think it has much to do with Estrogen anyway…
Bushy
The reason he suspected E2 was he also had some uncharacteristic emotional moments/mood swings. Nothing serious just annoying and just uncharacteristic.[/quote]
Interesting point…
The other guy did too. Mainly happy to scary pissed, to the point of literally putting his fist through a wall. Boy is he glad there wasn’t a stud there…
World
Quite interesting…
This guy never expressed any sort of depressing bullshit or anything like that. Of course then again, this guy has been spending time with his old Corps buddies, carousing, drinking, and having a marvelous time.
More aggression than anything, lol.
World
Would you be able to add HCG into the taper if its needed?
Okay, please correct me if I’m wrong, I plan on using a SERM instead of using a test taper (I don’t want to continue self injections longer than I have to). At the end of the cycle I wait 4-6 weeks (stasis, no drugs) then follow it by another 4 weeks of my SERM. I plan on using Nolva. What kind of dosage taper should I use? Any advice is greatly welcomed.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
No HCG during the stasis or taper.
Growing_Boy: When you say “stasis, no drugs” what do you mean. You know you take test during the stasis.
Bushy[/quote]
Okay, you answered part of my question with another. I will start a thread here as soon as I consolidate my information and post something educated instead of the good old: I’m ready to start gear, yeah baby! I plan on using 1gram of Test e for 18 weeks and will take 2 bottles of Novedex with 1 bottle of MHP T-bomb as PCT. Do you guys see any problems? Oh yeah by the way i have 2 months exp. training and I’m 19. Yeah baby lightweight!
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I know a guy who is in week five of the stasis and he is getting hammered with facial acne much worse than during cycle.
Is the E2 running loose?[/quote]
That sucks! Has other people experienced this? I’t would be great to hear from the vets about this. I am considering doing the stasis+tapering in a few weeks!
Great thread!
M.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
mancandy wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I know a guy who is in week five of the stasis and he is getting hammered with facial acne much worse than during cycle.
Is the E2 running loose?
That sucks! Has other people experienced this? I’t would be great to hear from the vets about this. I am considering doing the stasis+tapering in a few weeks!
Great thread!
M.
Still a little bit of an inexplicable problem but other than that, this guy is in the 30 mg week now and things are running so smoothly it’s hard to believe.
Volume and intensity in the gym is definitely down but to be expected. Libido sailing along like a fast schooner in a stiff breeze.
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Acne is never going to be completely avoided. There will always be some, but it is usually less with the taper. using Skin products such that are peroxide based or have acetasalic acid - preferable both, a good exfoiliater and even hit the sauna if possible to keep those pores as clear as you can will help.
And not to push any products because I really am not but you must be PROACTIVE on the acne front, not REACTIVE! expect it will occur and have the products in place to prevent it.
That means also using a bit of concealer if you have to.
Cheers.
Pushharder & Prisoner:
Thanks a lot for the info - much appreciated! I’ll be proactive, as you say, for sure!
Take care.
My friend is gonna give this a try.
Wanted to post up so I could find the thread.
My friend is doing 300mgs test cyp for the first 10 weeks and will switch over to prop for the last 2 weeks. He will then start his serms (nolva and clomid) for 4 more weeks during his taper. Or, run a low dose (like 100mgs per week?) and this is what is meant by stasis?
He was wondering if HCG would be beneficial as long as it is out of the system before the taper starts. I know he usually runs the HCG for the last 14-21 days of cycle so that it is out by the time he normally starts his serms. Just making sure I can relay the info to him correctly.
OH, BTW, World1187, Semper Fi!
Prisoner,
What would your stance be on implementing winstrol into the stasis period at 50mg per day? I am pretty sure that there is no HPTA shutdown using winny (am I correct with this?).
In my mind, I think that it would help better retain mass gains, help me keep gaining strength into pct, while also having the added benefit of being slightly anti-estrogenic.
Please tell me if I am mistaken in this thought. Thanks!
Just wanna fuel the fire here, so to speak.
A lot of updated (newer) HRT/TRT protcols include HCG at 250 ius for 2 days before test injection. So You would do 250 ius day 1, then 250 ius day 2, then 125 mgs test on day 3.
Would this not be benficial during the stasis period or could it help during taper?
The reasoning behind it is the upkeep of the leydig cells and maiantenance of endogenous testosterone.
No do not implement winstrol. The only thing people altered slightly regarding the whole process it to use a combination of 50mg test/50 mg mast for the stasis period.
If you have more questions regarding the taper re-read the thread.
300 mgs of test per week for a cycle is just a silly idea to put it nicely. Read and research more.
could one use anavar to taper off? if not why not?
I found this thread to be a pool of knowledge. It convinced me to do a stasis taper for my next first cycle.
[quote]LayinLo wrote:
Just wanna fuel the fire here, so to speak.
A lot of updated (newer) HRT/TRT protcols include HCG at 250 ius for 2 days before test injection. So You would do 250 ius day 1, then 250 ius day 2, then 125 mgs test on day 3.
Would this not be benficial during the stasis period or could it help during taper?
The reasoning behind it is the upkeep of the leydig cells and maiantenance of endogenous testosterone.[/quote]
If you must, use the HCG during the actual cycle. Following the cycle, stop the HCG when the Waiting period (stasis period) begins.