This is a question directed to Prisoner, or to anyone who has knowledge with test tapers.
I’ve been running a Test P and Tren A Cycle, 8 weeker 75mg/100mg ED of Tren and Test respectively. For pct I plan on running Prisoners test taper. I was thinking about using test enanthate to lower the amount of injections; would that be an issue considering I used prop for my cycle?
-tw1st
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
No, enan would be fine, only you must allow for the ‘lag time’ between your prop becomeing inactive and your enan becoming active. You see?
What I mean is, you can’t just stop the prop and start the enan, because it may take as long as 10 days for the enan to become effective, wheras the prop will have faded away in about 4-5.
Bushy[/quote]
Bush,
I understand completely, so it would make sense to inject the test
enan at the beginning of my last week of cycle? Therefore, by the end of the of cycle 7 days will have passed.
-tw1st
Thanks bushy.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Actually, personally I think that an 8-10 week cycle and you might do OK with just the stasis part, followed by SERMs.
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That sounds interesting in theory, sort of the best of both worlds. I guess one would have to argue if there is anything to gain by leaving out the taper.
[quote]BIGZEUS wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Actually, personally I think that an 8-10 week cycle and you might do OK with just the stasis part, followed by SERMs.
That sounds interesting in theory, sort of the best of both worlds. I guess one would have to argue if there is anything to gain by leaving out the taper.[/quote]
I think there is a huge benefit to both portions of the taper protocol. The stasis portion is likely the most beneficial portion, after which the taper or SERM would do very well. While I personally still prefer the stasis+taper method, a stasis+SERM method would work very well too, much better than just SERM (no stasis; a.k.a. traditional PCT) IMO.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Actually, personally I think that an 8-10 week cycle and you might do OK with just the stasis part, followed by SERMs.
Could be wrong though.
Bushy[/quote]
If it helps - I was thinking this exact same thing and did the 100mg PW stasis for 5 weeks whilst taking nolva 20mg down to 10mg ED. The recovery was seamless.
[quote]Dave_ wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Actually, personally I think that an 8-10 week cycle and you might do OK with just the stasis part, followed by SERMs.
Could be wrong though.
Bushy
If it helps - I was thinking this exact same thing and did the 100mg PW stasis for 5 weeks whilst taking nolva 20mg down to 10mg ED. The recovery was seamless. [/quote]
Awesome guys.
I will try this next also.
[quote]Prisoner wrote:
The trick to putting gear in a slin syringe is to draw up some in a regular 3 ml needle. Take the insulin syringe and remove the plunger, taking care to ensure you don’t contact the rubber part with anything and it will remain sterile for the time it takes to squirt the gear with the 3ml syringe needle combo into the back end of the insulin syringe.
Pop the plunger back in the insulin syringe, and with the needle pointed up wards clear out the air, and any excess oil.
This way there is no blunting of the insulin needle, and it is very quick to load this way.
1 mL insulin syringes.
The problem with the removable turburculin style needle syringe conbos, is that it doesn’t have a luer lock to screw tighten the needle to the shaft of the syringe. a lot of gear ends up remaining in the needle section following the injection and if you apply too much pressure to the injection the syringe can ‘pop’ off the needle while injecting.
Especially if oil seeped inbeteen the the tip of the syringe and where the needle is seated while you were changing heads - so be carefull![/quote]
Sweet. Thats good thinking. Sounds like a piece of cake.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I know a guy who is in week five of the stasis and he is getting hammered with facial acne much worse than during cycle.
Is the E2 running loose?[/quote]
I know a guy who had no problem during the 4 week stasis or the first 3 weeks of his taper, but he has one week left and his torso is becoming covered in pustules and acne. Pretty horrific.
I’m thinking it’s probably the E2, only time will tell.
World
I’m doing my second taper right now. So far so good. Good results, no new acne.
During my first, I used Clomid at 50mg then 25mg for the statis period. In a way, it was by far my best PCT ever. No mood crash, no libido issue, etc. I only lost 2 pounds from my cycle weight after all was said and done, which for me is huge, I usually lose a lot more.
BUT, for the very first time I got bad acne on the shoulders and upper arms. Since I never had acne problems before I didnt really pay attention at first as the zits were few and disappeared quickly. So I thought it was over but some more kept appearing and then disapperad quickly. And again and again.
The thing is the “dead” inactive zits didnt really disappear, they left a very visible red dot. So I got the “pizza shoulders” look and I’ve been plagued with this for 5 months now.
What really helped was a tip by Bill Roberts of using a sylicilic acid cleanser followed by an oil free moisterizing lotion. Proactiv didnt do squat for me. Probably because “backne” is not the same as “regular” facial acne.
One of my shoulders has almost gone back to normal, but the other is still troublesome. I hope some summer sun will take care of it, cause acne and muscles don’t mix well…
Maybe the zits came because of the Clomid - it was my first and last time I used it. One thing is for sure, the Test Taper is amazing as a PCT, but watch out for acne. At the first signs, use the cleanser and lotion.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I can never remember the physiological reason for post cycle acne. Something to do with pH of sebaceous secretions being more favourable to bacterial growth.
Personally I would tackle it with some sort of facial wash, rather than an AI.
I don’t think it has much to do with Estrogen anyway.
www.proactiv.com apparently offers an effective treatment.
Bushy[/quote]
Used it before to no effect.
In my opinion, the best thing I have used thus far, is Clean and Clear Deep Cleansing Cream. Stuff costs me like 8 bucks and does wonders. Although these pustules and their quantity bug the shit out of me. Now this guy is getting them on his temples and next to his thinning hairline too. Really irritating.
The Clean and Clear works, but just not nearly fast enough for my liking.
I wonder how things will be in a month or so.
World