Im glad your recovery went well, I want to be in the same position as you and considering you were on longer then me (may be older then me too?) gives me good hope.
In regards to your stasis/taper, how long did you stretch the taper out for if you indeed did taper? I could not tell from your post if you did a stasis period and went cold turkey or tapered off?
Did you go back on after 5 weeks? Was the general well-being maintained beyond 5 weeks?
I didnt taper. I did a semi stasis with trt type doses of test and mast plus a little therapeutic deca for its anti inflam properties, to help with my surgically rebuilt tendon and muscle insertion. 3 months of the doses mentioned before....then i dropped out the deca and only did one week of just test and mast at the same minimal doses. I allowed a one week washout after my last shot, and took triptorelin and started clomid immediately. I think for me at least, the extended low trt type doses, with continued AI set me up for a decent shot at recovery, and i didnt feel the need to taper off, as i was using test decanoate, and mast enanā¦they sort of have their own built in taper due to ester length. Very abbreviated taper of course, but i didn`t feel the need after 3 months of such low doses, and the fact i had used triptorelin before with good success. The success part is all subjective since i went solely on feeling, libido, mood, function etc. No bloods.
I was off completely for 5 weeks, with only the above mentioned sides. Now that I can train again with weight above simple rehab physio type stuff, i chose to go back on with a moderate dose of collagen friendly compounds and trt type test until i feel near 100 percent physically. I am 1 week into being back on something, and feel fine.
Had i extended my off period, who knows what may have happened. I might have continued to be okay and even improve, or could have rebounded and crashed out a few weeks down the roadā¦5 weeks may have not been long enough to tell for sure.
I could post in the over 35 forumā¦but i am not pushing 40 yet age wise.
I am currently a week past my last injection of Mast P/Test P, and I am surprised I am actually feeling really good. I am not experiencing any of the low T sides (yet) aside from abit of decreased energy.
I cant seem to understand why I havent crashed yet, considering a half life of 3 days for the propionate ester I should have crashed now. My testes are still slightly atrophied but feeling-wise I am good.
If it carrys on like this I may not even need the Triptorelin shot. But obviously bloods will confirm everything, which will be done soon.
Could androgens still be lurking around 7 days after a 30mg shot? I doubt itā¦?
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Thanks for that juice, much appreciated.
I am currently a week past my last injection of Mast P/Test P, and I am surprised I am actually feeling really good. I am not experiencing any of the low T sides (yet) aside from abit of decreased energy.
I cant seem to understand why I havent crashed yet, considering a half life of 3 days for the propionate ester I should have crashed now. My testes are still slightly atrophied but feeling-wise I am good.
If it carrys on like this I may not even need the Triptorelin shot. But obviously bloods will confirm everything, which will be done soon.
Could androgens still be lurking around 7 days after a 30mg shot? I doubt itā¦?
SB[/quote]
No way, by now you are on you test. I believe that you should do the triptorelin, it could not hurt in any case your recovery, IMO. When are you planning to have tests? How are you, strength, weight, size wise??
Hmmm I have read somewhere that the large stimulation by Triptorelin could lead to suppressive effects (I think it was Bill Roberts post).
I think I may leave the Trip for a while and run low-dose hCG for a couple of weeks longer. Not forgetting I am still on 20mg Nolva ED, have ordered Clomid and may run that at 50mg ED also.
I think I may have bloods drawn this week to assess my levels, previously I have not included Test in my bloods (to avoid suspicion by the GMC impacting my medical career) but this time I will add it in. And then will repeat the bloods after a month (upon cessation of SERMS) and then 3 months later (to see if levels are maintained). Orā¦ if I crash in the next couple of weeks just say FUCK IT and jump back on :-@ lol!
Strength wise I am still ok, I am not training with heavy weights as it is counter-productive to my sport but I am still finding heavy-ish weights fairly easy (however less reps performed).
I have not checked weight yet but I think I have maintained weight although body comp has changed slightly with more fat and a slight loss of muscle.
Size wise I have decreased which is expected as I have upped my cardio more, so tbh I am impressed with my size since I am hypoandrogenic AND catabolic through cardio and still decent size.
Triptorelin is 100% effective at inducing chemical castration for quite a while at high doses (3.75 mg), so I personally would have to be pretty certain of the dosing of my product before using it.
[quote]TBItruck89 wrote:
Triptorelin is 100% effective at inducing chemical castration for quite a while at high doses (3.75 mg), so I personally would have to be pretty certain of the dosing of my product before using it.
considering the dose for a PCT shot is 100mcg, I think heās probably safe
Like rds mentioned, the dose I would be using would only be a fraction of that used for chemical castration however I am aware you were referring to the legitimacy of the dosing of the Trip (mostly from research chems).
8 days post-injection now. Last shot was 18/12mg of MP/TP.
So far I am feeling good, apart from the energy my libido is through the roof and morning wood is present.
Also erection quality has somewhat INCREASED?
I am still on 20mg Nolva ED waiting for the Clomid to arrive.
Testicle size is 50/50, I think they have gone slightly more plump but may be psychological?
So far I have not experienced any of the PCT blues such as emotional breakdowns, depression, excessive-sleep etc. I am up early like on-cycle every morning.
Could the taper have been THAT efficient for me to recover this quickly or have still got AAS in my system and just waiting to crash? Hmmā¦
8 days post taper, you likely have no active AAS lingering. Keep in mind that there really is no definitive evidence as to what level of circulating exo AAS can be in your body, and have recovery of your endo begin to take place.
The taper is built upon the theory (or at least non concrete 100 percent fact) that it is somewhere around 100 mg per week and below (logical)ā¦you`ve been well below that for some time, and taking nolva. You could have some endo production going on. You feel great now, and the addition of clomid to the nolva will aid youā¦the real test will be how you feel on weeks 3,4,5 etc.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
this is interesting. If you recover well, then Iām sold on the taper and Iāll start running beasting, SB-esque cycles[/quote]
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
8 days post taper, you likely have no active AAS lingering. Keep in mind that there really is no definitive evidence as to what level of circulating exo AAS can be in your body, and have recovery of your endo begin to take place. The taper is built upon the theory (or at least non concrete 100 percent fact) that it is somewhere around 100 mg per week and below (logical)ā¦you`ve been well below that for some time, and taking nolva. You could have some endo production going on. You feel great now, and the addition of clomid to the nolva will aid youā¦the real test will be how you feel on weeks 3,4,5 etc.[/quote]
That will be the true test yes. Fingers crossed I will be fine as I was not hypo pre-B&C.
There is definetly a change in testicular volume now, without a doubt they are more full and heavy and less āsaggyā so to speak.
Also, libido is through the roof with random erections and morning wood is also present.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
this is interesting. If you recover well, then Iām sold on the taper and Iāll start running beasting, SB-esque cycles[/quote]
Haha go for it mate. I suppose if I can recover then anyone can, all one needs to do is look at my previous posts and they have mostly been about recovery.
Although this is my experience, I am not condoning heavy AAS use
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Although this is my experience, I am not condoning heavy AAS use
SB[/quote]
what was it this time, like 8 months? Sure does make for an entertaining read.
Seriously though Iām glad this is working out for you man[/quote]
Thanks. Yep it was around 8 months involving compounds such a Tren Ace, Tbol, Dbol, Winny, EQ, Mast and Var. Obviously not all run at the same time.
Energy is on the decline right now, but testicular size seems to be increasing, I no longer have the āsaggy/droopyā ball look.
No depression, slight aggression, high libido, morning wood present.
2 weeks post-injection now. So tired!!!
Energy is down the shitter, other then that all seems good. Still have drive to train (just no energy to take me there).
Strength is down a bit, weight is down 4lbs but not much change in body comp, slight fat gain which is expected.
Testes are ok-ish, no update yet they are still atrophied.
Had a dull ache in the testes all day, looked around to see what I could find about this and ābro-knowledgeā seems to state its a good sign of the testes starting to function again? Can anyone chime in on this?
Also for the first time ever I had severe Tren-like night sweats from the Clomid, apparently a common side effect of this drug. At least I know the Clomid is legit.
