[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Ok I seriously need you guys’ advice now.
However please try to be as honest as possible (I know we are in the steroid section and most of us love these drugs and will back them but consider my situation).
So basically I am in two-minds right now, I am considering not coming-off for another 4-5 months till my Medicine degree is complete.
The reason for this is the tiredness I am already feeling, I am getting no work done I just want to sleep.
On top of this I have received some previous grades and found out I failed 2 modules so I will have to retake these and cannot afford to be unproductive in the coming months.
My question is this, should I cruise till my degree is complete and then reattempt to taper off or bite the bullet and remain on the taper now with the possibility of failing the degree and having to retake?
Please put yourself in my position, I know for a lot of you TRT was the best decision YOU made for YOURSELF, however in my position (not previously being hypogonadal) what is the best thing to do?
SB [/quote]
I think you will have to decide what is the lesser of 2 evils in this case. Coming off and and possibly screwing up your degree and your future, or low dosed TRT that could have life long impacts as well. Ultimately you have to do whats best for you as you will have to live with either decision. Sorry I cant be more uplifting but this is serious and you need to consider every angle you can.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Ok I seriously need you guys’ advice now.
However please try to be as honest as possible (I know we are in the steroid section and most of us love these drugs and will back them but consider my situation).
So basically I am in two-minds right now, I am considering not coming-off for another 4-5 months till my Medicine degree is complete.
The reason for this is the tiredness I am already feeling, I am getting no work done I just want to sleep.
On top of this I have received some previous grades and found out I failed 2 modules so I will have to retake these and cannot afford to be unproductive in the coming months.
My question is this, should I cruise till my degree is complete and then reattempt to taper off or bite the bullet and remain on the taper now with the possibility of failing the degree and having to retake?
Please put yourself in my position, I know for a lot of you TRT was the best decision YOU made for YOURSELF, however in my position (not previously being hypogonadal) what is the best thing to do?
SB [/quote]
I think you will have to decide what is the lesser of 2 evils in this case. Coming off and and possibly screwing up you degree and your future, or low dosed TRT that could have life long impacts as well. Ultimately you have to do whats best for you as you will have to live with either decision. Sorry I cant be more uplifting but this is serious and you need to consider every angle you can. [/quote]
I agree. I think you might have to consider the possibility of having to be on TRT
I think popeye nailed it SB, you’re just going to have to trust your gut on this one.
I would personally lean towards staying on and concentrating on your degree though. You will have some pretty major regrets if you fuck something like that up.
Thanks for the advice so far guys I appreciate it.
I guess my options were fairly simple but I suppose I needed third-person advice.
I have not made a solid decision yet, I thought I made my mind up yesterday to stay on and that was final but im a yo-yo at the moment and the possibility of still tapering is once again appealing (but failing more exams and retaking them is not).
On a different note, like I promised I did go and view my blood test results.
They were fairly predictable anyway, LH was undetectable, FSH was 0.2 (0.0-5.0), oestradiol was in range on the bottom end and prolactin was rock bottom at 8 (45-270) because of Caber I believe.
ALT and Bilirubin was only slightly elevated, and kidney function was fine.
Thankfully my thyroid was fine, so I can confirm that after 8 weeks of 100mcg of T3 use it bounced back to normal within 3 weeks.
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
How’s the restart going?? Did you coninue it or did you stop?[/quote]
Hey buddy,
I am still continuing it.
I have just decided to slow down the tapering even more but I decided against jumping back on. I still have the lethargy somewhat but I think my body is adjusting to the ever declining levels of androgens and is hopefully doing something about it.
I am currently sitting on 15.6/10.4mg of Mast/Test EOD, giving a total of 104mg/wk but only 41.6mg/wk of Test.
One thing I have noticed though is my testes are starting to shrink more slower post-hCG shot then before, so I feel the suppression from the gear is way less now.
Have also dropped the hCG to 250iu E4D.
FEELINGS SO FAR:
Libido still present
Morning wood present
Erections are weak
Motivation is 50%
Energy decreased
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
small improvements, but definitely improvements.
Just remember that although the next few weeks with your recovery and exams is going to suck hard, there’s a light at the end of the tunnel.[/quote]
Thanks rds, trying to reassure myself things will get better.
The funny thing is how everyone around you changes their behaviour towards you when you come off cycle, its ridiculous!
The behaviour change is subconsciously, the people who dont even know I was on and now I am off also have changed, i.e. show less respect, put less faith in your judgements etc.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
The behaviour change is subconsciously, the people who dont even know I was on and now I am off also have changed, i.e. show less respect, put less faith in your judgements etc.
SB[/quote]
I was just talking about this the other day. Im convinced people even random strangers can somehow detect your elevated T levels. The behaviour change is often quite profound, and I guess its only us who notice because we know something has changed?
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
The behaviour change is subconsciously, the people who dont even know I was on and now I am off also have changed, i.e. show less respect, put less faith in your judgements etc.
SB[/quote]
I was just talking about this the other day. Im convinced people even random strangers can somehow detect your elevated T levels. The behaviour change is often quite profound, and I guess its only us who notice because we know something has changed?[/quote]
Yes its true although most people will say it is psychological. Every time I am on cycle the same behavioural changes are noticed, you are the centre of attention, random people approach you in clubs to shake your hand, more female attention etc.
Im not sure if there are any scientific studies that confirm this phenomenon but it is definetly true. And sucks, hard.
My theory is that the ‘pheromones’ are responsible for these behavioural changes. It must be noted though that I am talking about behavioural changes in others, not in yourself when on cycle.
Also things like a deeper voice (might be minutely different) which is picked up over the phone for example, and also the way you walk and talk.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
The behaviour change is subconsciously, the people who dont even know I was on and now I am off also have changed, i.e. show less respect, put less faith in your judgements etc.
SB[/quote]
I have noticed this too, I thought it was in my head, but after all, it really happens.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
My theory is that the ‘pheromones’ are responsible for these behavioural changes. It must be noted though that I am talking about behavioural changes in others, not in yourself when on cycle.
Also things like a deeper voice (might be minutely different) which is picked up over the phone for example, and also the way you walk and talk.
SB[/quote]
I’m thinking of conducting my own social experiment with this on and off cycle ill make a new thread for it if I do
I wonder about the effect on the opposite sex. I am SURE I get more attention on cycle. I don’t know if maybe it’s just me feeling a bit better and more confident which girls pick up on, or if it’s something chemical…
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
My theory is that the ‘pheromones’ are responsible for these behavioural changes. It must be noted though that I am talking about behavioural changes in others, not in yourself when on cycle.
Also things like a deeper voice (might be minutely different) which is picked up over the phone for example, and also the way you walk and talk.
SB[/quote]
I’m thinking of conducting my own social experiment with this on and off cycle ill make a new thread for it if I do[/quote]
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I wonder about the effect on the opposite sex. I am SURE I get more attention on cycle. I don’t know if maybe it’s just me feeling a bit better and more confident which girls pick up on, or if it’s something chemical…[/quote]
I believe it is chemical and confidence aswell. There is definetly something at work not related to physical behaviourial changes.
Well this is how it stands, I have missed my last shot of 18/12mg Mast/TP around 3 days ago, what do you guys think? Shoot it or go cold turkey now…
I am down to 200iu hCG 2x/wk now.
NO DEPRESSION
LIBIDO GOOD (very surprised with this)
TIREDNESS INCREASED
DOMS INCREASED
I just did something similar. Was on long term…longer than you, and had been coming off 1-2 times a year for years now. I was recently forced to come off to rehab an injury that required surgery. Prior to the psuedo stasis…i was on 600 test, 600 eq, 400 tren E per week, with some rotating orals here and there.
After the injury and surgery I ran 120 mg test, 60 mg mast and 120 mg deca (for ant inflam, major injury and surgery) a week, for 3 months to avoid a hormonal crash and provide some possible healing benefit (added HGH to boost that aspect). I was also running 6.25 mg asin 3 times a week. I eventually decided to come completely off in order to gauge how my body might do without exogenous stuff, and to resensitize to AAS once able to resume regular training and use.
1 week after my last shot (which did not include deca, that was stopped the week prior) I took a dose of triptorelin and started clomid therapy. After 5 weeks completely off, I felt great considering. Libido dipped a little,and never totally bottomed out, but function remainded totally satisfactory. I had a short time where i felt tired and not very motivated, but it did not last more than a week or so.
Confidence dropped a little, and how i carried myself, but that is psychological…i only lost 20-22 pounds while off and was unable to train for 4 months, but in reality I was still relatively big and looked okay…that i think is just a common psych problem we all get to a degree when we come off.
One thing I will say is that i have now used triptorelin twice on subsequent off periods (seperated by about a year), and been very very pleased with the result as opposed to HCG therapy. I responded very quickly feeling wise and teste size gradually and steadily increased. I like clomid much better than nolva for recovery, but it may be a personal thing. I just have had better success feeling recovered or recovering when using clomid over nolva.
I will watch this thread with interest. Good luck man. My off period is now over though, but i can relate, as I am sure others can.