Hello. I had a few questions about a mild cycle I started but please bear with me as I’m new to the group and don’t know if I’m in the correct place to post. I’m 41 and been lifting over 10 years but recently got back into it after slacking for a solid few years. I’m 6’1 and 200lbs. I have a build that shows I lift but it’s not as tone as I would like. When I started back I was around 210 but then cut out 75 percent of my sugar intake and ate lighter to drop down to 190. I was fairly lean but wanted to keep muscle at the same time. I started a cycle of test (125 every 5 days which I’ve used in the past as trt) and then added 20mg tbol a day. The issue I have is the hunger is out of control and if I don’t eat I get dizzy. Is this normal? The issue with the hunger is my leaness is going away while strength is going up. Would u recommend using the tbol at 40mg and stopping test? Not sure what to do as my goal is 200lbs with visible abs. Please any suggestions would help.
Answered your own question. Those mild additions shouldn’t impact your hunger to that degree. Also, steroids are not to “get back” to prior physiques IMO. You should do that first then use them to break new barriers if you want to risk your health.
Sounds like you may be experiencing hypoglycemia.
Well honestly I achieved a better then previous physique before using anything but I wanted to do as you said break through to a higher level than I have had in the past. I’m using a very mild dosage to see how I react as I am very sensitive to test aromatising. I had zero sides on the tbol and infact I had better pumps and more energy then ever.
Sounds like you found something that works for you. Do not use Tbol without Test fyi.
Ok why is that just out of curiosity? Also can tbol be used w clomid instead of test? I used clomid for 6 months and test levels came back at 904. I felt decent except for low sex drive which is why I started test shots again.
What is it with this tbol you have an obsession with ? Visible abs you wanted . Hypoglycemia sounds right . Man I can make my body look like anything just on 150 test . Lean as hell or big as hell. You gotta know how roids work. Tbol sucks btw. If it’s real … eat right do cardio and take a little trt dose that’s it
Tbol is suppressive enough to shut down your natural production. Further it’s a DHT which doesn’t aromatize. You’ll have low T and low E running solo Tbol.
So any steroid can be suppressive enough to shut down your natural production.Some more than others / dose and duration dependent.
However, you missed the fact the fact that he already started testosterone…. Which does not suppress…. It completely shuts down natural production (very quickly).Your body is completely relying on the synthetic for your T and Estrogen at this point.
So dropping the T and only using the Turinabol would not be advised because you would eventually (once the ester is completely out) be at zero testosterone. The tbol then would be stunting/preventing your natural production from returning at this point, and you would likely feel awful.
Also, FYI TBOL is not a DHT derivative. Could you use it alone if testosterone had not been used? Sure. Could you do it without completely shutting yourself down? Yes. Will it suppress your natural production, and eventually lead to low T and low estrogen? Most likely
Is it worth the risk vs reward? General concensus = not really.
No shit.
No I didn’t. He asked why running it solo wasn’t a good idea. That’s a direct question.
This would happen in either scenario.
Agreed, i confused its non aromatising properties with it being a DHT but essentially same results. Suppression and bad idea solo. But kudos, you did get your gotcha moment. My bad.
I asked if using it with clomid would be beneficial since clomid raises natural production. The reason I liked the tbol was I had no sides on a mild dose
Save the clomid for the PCT. Running it with AAS is not effective.
No. Dumb. Just no….If that was a thing ….it would be a thing. There is no way to mitigate suppression and/or shutdown while using aas. It’s a consequence. You’re technically already completely shut down due to the synthetic T.
You need to decide whether or not you want to rely on a needle for your testosterone for the rest of your life. TRT? If not, and you want to come off… you need to run a pct (limited clinical evidence of how effective PCT truly is..) or go cold turkey and wait out the recovery of your HPTA axis (hopefully it does recover- either with pct or cold turkey ). Could take a couple months or maybe years. Get bloodwork. It’s going to be hard to build /maintain muscle during this time, energy may be low. Again, dropping T and using tbol in the short term is likely a very bad idea.
The synthetic testosterone is giving you what your body needs to be able to run the “mild dose”(fairly high) of tbol for a longer period of time….before the other important health markers get bad. Get bloodwork. This is why running T as a base is widely considered best practice. You need testosterone just as much as you need estrogen.
Also, Using AAS to cut weight/BF is silly. Get your training right and dial in your diet to get into position before considering using. You’re only renting a physique with aas. So when you inevitably return to pretty close to baseline, you’ll still have a good physique.
If you truly wanted to lean out and “use something”. Look into a GLP1 - pontentially Retatrutide. It’s shown to be a little more muscle sparring as long as you lift and get enough protein. It will help with diet and with remaining in a deficit to get more lean. Relatively good safety profile … but not fda approved as of yet.