Ok this will be my first cycle.
1-4 sd 20mgs
1-12 500 test e
.50adex eod
pct
14-18 40mg novla, 100mg clomid .50 adex eod.
i would use d-bol for the jumpstart but i don’t want to retain all the water.
any suggestions? changes?
You might want to read up on the SD some more if you do not want to hold extra water. I have used it and had some water retention. Other friends of mine have had the same experience. This is pretty common feedback from other boards as well.
Good luck,
JW
the dbol might allow you to pack more meat on faster. yes you will lose alot of water when your off.
however the dbol is excellent for strength.
i had always suspected that many dbol users become satisfied with the pumps. the pumps are blood and fluid.
i believe to use it right, you need to get as strong as possible while on the dbol. bulk style mass building, shooting for max strength gains too.
realize when off alot of weight coming off due to water losses. you have satisfaction in knowing you put in most work while on the dbol and got hte most out of it, while other posuer boys where satisfied with a dbol pump.
use dbol to add meat, whale style bulking, expect to lose alot of water and fluid when off. it could push you ahead of dbol-less cycle.,
someone who has studied more of these will probably have more to add.
it was just in my expereince when i was in the gym, guys you here were juicing on dbol where always chasing the “immediate gratification” or always enjoying that dbol pump. y
you arent going to care about a dbol pump, you are going to realize dbol will hold fluid similar to creating and allow you to add more meat faster than without it.
you will also shock the hell out of your system while on the dbol. ( 2 a days, negatives, bodyparts 3x a week, 5000 calories, etc ). so that when you fall back you are way ahead of where you started.
that first year for someone trying to pack on alot of meat will probably have two dbol cycles of moderate length. youll keep most of the meat.
like i said, some of the experts can chime in. and i repeating myself, most when i heard where juicing and on dbol chased the “immediate gratification” or that dbol pump. its hard to mistake someone on dbol, they usually are purple if they are light complected.
like the experts say, you better have someting to kickstart your natural test production as coming off, and bitch tits aint a joke, its real. Many uninformed roid boys end up with bitch tits, it aint cute.
did u say a bodypart 3 times a week isnt that a little much? steroids increase your recovery but not 3 fold. im thinking about waiting a while before going on any kind of cycle anyway i was jsut putting the question out there. i wasn’t going to jumpstart my cycle to begin with and a friend has sd so i i decided that would work cause its free. I might just run the sd by itself and wait another year till i start using injectibles. i can probably reach 230 from that alone. im already 215 at 13%. so i might just wait till i get to 230 then juice it.
SD is no fucking good! Listen, my friend tried out that methyl masterdrol bullshit which is the same active chemical from what I understand. I told him not to do it because I read about all the delayed gyno effects and what not, but he thinks he knows everything there is to know. So yeah he did SD twice with PCT and got some admittedly great gains off it. Now he’s been off for months, and I among other people have noticed he’s just getting bitch tits now. You’re better off with the dianabol, it’s most liekly a ton safer. If you’re concerned about water retention you shouldn’t be doing test in the first place! I’d rather retain water than breast tissue, too.
[quote]MisterAmazing wrote:
SD is no fucking good! Listen, my friend tried out that methyl masterdrol bullshit which is the same active chemical from what I understand. I told him not to do it because I read about all the delayed gyno effects and what not, but he thinks he knows everything there is to know. So yeah he did SD twice with PCT and got some admittedly great gains off it. Now he’s been off for months, and I among other people have noticed he’s just getting bitch tits now. You’re better off with the dianabol, it’s most liekly a ton safer. If you’re concerned about water retention you shouldn’t be doing test in the first place! I’d rather retain water than breast tissue, too.[/quote]
sd gyno is caused by doing the wrong pct. most hormones you can get away with jsut novla. but with sd it is said to avoid novla at all costs and use clomid and adex for pct. is gyno surgery covered by insurance?
Awesome, listen up. I am not repeating or arguing this point at all.
Dbol/Test E is a good beginner stack. The weight lost will be predominantly water, but while waiting for the test esters to kick in, your strength will be flying. The increased strength and stamina from the dbol will make the test work that much better to gain muscle.
Throw the SD out or sell it to someone else you know. Let them deal with that crap.
If you were to search you would find lots of reasons to stay away from SD, and to design a cycle like the one I just laid out for you.
ill just run test by itself for my first cycle.
[quote]iamawesome wrote:
MisterAmazing wrote:
SD is no fucking good! Listen, my friend tried out that methyl masterdrol bullshit which is the same active chemical from what I understand. I told him not to do it because I read about all the delayed gyno effects and what not, but he thinks he knows everything there is to know. So yeah he did SD twice with PCT and got some admittedly great gains off it. Now he’s been off for months, and I among other people have noticed he’s just getting bitch tits now. You’re better off with the dianabol, it’s most liekly a ton safer. If you’re concerned about water retention you shouldn’t be doing test in the first place! I’d rather retain water than breast tissue, too.
sd gyno is caused by doing the wrong pct. most hormones you can get away with jsut novla. but with sd it is said to avoid novla at all costs and use clomid and adex for pct. is gyno surgery covered by insurance?[/quote]
Ok, you’re missing my point entirely. First of all, SD is a steroid not a pro-hormone product. The reason for the gyno wasn’t improper PCT, it’s just that the anti-estrogenic and thus bitch tit preventing effects of the PCT work while you are taking them and for a short while after.
With a real steroid such as dianabol, you are susceptible to this coming off the cycle so long as you use PCT for that duration where you’re at risk you’re in the clear afterwards. With SD, however, long after the PCT ends, and I mean LONG after, somehow that crap resurfaces or aromatizes or some shit and gives you gyno while your body has been off the PCT for months, no PCT is going to do shit to help your ass if it’s been out of your body for months; that’s how SD screws you.
[quote]MisterAmazing wrote:
iamawesome wrote:
MisterAmazing wrote:
SD is no fucking good! Listen, my friend tried out that methyl masterdrol bullshit which is the same active chemical from what I understand. I told him not to do it because I read about all the delayed gyno effects and what not, but he thinks he knows everything there is to know. So yeah he did SD twice with PCT and got some admittedly great gains off it. Now he’s been off for months, and I among other people have noticed he’s just getting bitch tits now. You’re better off with the dianabol, it’s most liekly a ton safer. If you’re concerned about water retention you shouldn’t be doing test in the first place! I’d rather retain water than breast tissue, too.
sd gyno is caused by doing the wrong pct. most hormones you can get away with jsut novla. but with sd it is said to avoid novla at all costs and use clomid and adex for pct. is gyno surgery covered by insurance?
Ok, you’re missing my point entirely. First of all, SD is a steroid not a pro-hormone product. The reason for the gyno wasn’t improper PCT, it’s just that the anti-estrogenic and thus bitch tit preventing effects of the PCT work while you are taking them and for a short while after.
With a real steroid such as dianabol, you are susceptible to this coming off the cycle so long as you use PCT for that duration where you’re at risk you’re in the clear afterwards. With SD, however, long after the PCT ends, and I mean LONG after, somehow that crap resurfaces or aromatizes or some shit and gives you gyno while your body has been off the PCT for months, no PCT is going to do shit to help your ass if it’s been out of your body for months; that’s how SD screws you.[/quote]
how much have u read up on sd becuase i have just read that the delayed gyno is caused by the use of novla. sd is a progestin so there are prolactin related gyno sides and novla makes prolactin sifdes worse so running pct of clomid 100 mg’s and .25 of a-dex would stop any gyno from happening
I’ve read a decent amount but I’m not claiming to be an expert on it. All I can say is that my friend did it, he did NOT use nolvadex for PCT, and he’s now developing a real cute set of man boobs.
what did he use for pct.
How old are you?
Weight?
BF?
Max on Bench, Squat, and Deadlift?
Goals?
6’
215lbs
around 13%
22yo
im not sure about max weight.
last time i tried my max bench it was 295. i squat sets of 10 with 300. i do sets of 10 on deadlifts with 315. my goals are more bodybuilding then strength. Right now i wanna bulk up to around 230.
iamawesome,
I’m serious, from what I have seen from juicers in the gym - THE RECOVERY IS UNREAL. YOU CAN DO MORE WORK AND RECOVER FASTER.
Like I said, inflict alot of damage. YOu don’t have to worry about tearing pecs, tendons, etc as most of us aren’t strong enough.
Tear that shit up.
Negatives, drop sets, 3 days a week for some body parts.
The DBOL will give you the strength and energy to do it. DO NOT BECOME FACSCINATED BEHIND DBOL_PUMP.
PUT IN SOME WORK.
If you are going to juice don’t play around.
And don’t get bitch tits either.
Do all your homework, have your shit planned out and kill it.
2 a days, 3 or 4 times a week for some bodyparts, eat like a pig ( steaks, groundbeef, burger, tons of tuna, protein shakes ). Might as well creatine load too.
I’m going to shut up now.
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[quote]djrobins wrote:
iamawesome,
I’m serious, from what I have seen from juicers in the gym - THE RECOVERY IS UNREAL. YOU CAN DO MORE WORK AND RECOVER FASTER.
[/quote]
WHOAAAAAAAAA. Slow down there fella. Yes, recovery is augmented but not that much to where any bodypart could handle three sessions per week. It is much better to add a set here and add a set there until you find a perfect median than just jumping into it and brutally overtraining. My recovery is improved a little maybe an additional 15% but not doubled or tripled. I sleep 12 hours per night and consume 4800-6000 calories per day
so it’s not like I’m starving and hindering my recovery or slackin ass in the gym. Everybody is different but not even Jay Cutler can recover that fast.
3 times a week is silly. im not doing d-bol anyway. i am acctually waiting for injectibles all together i am waiting to hit a plateau before turning to steroids. sorry if my post doesnt make sense i am drunk. is my size to early to start anyway?
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Awesome, listen up. I am not repeating or arguing this point at all.
Dbol/Test E is a good beginner stack. The weight lost will be predominantly water, but while waiting for the test esters to kick in, your strength will be flying. The increased strength and stamina from the dbol will make the test work that much better to gain muscle.
Throw the SD out or sell it to someone else you know. Let them deal with that crap.
If you were to search you would find lots of reasons to stay away from SD, and to design a cycle like the one I just laid out for you.[/quote]
What else should I take besides D-bol and Test E, and what brands are good and trustable. Should the D-bol be pill, liquid, or injectable. creatine? anything for my liver? I guess what I need is a shopping list and if you got it doses and times of day to take.
Thanks
You want me to do it all for ya don’t ya? You know how I learned about these things? By studying, reading, asking questions and working it all out on my own. If you want to learn more you should search this site, other sites, the library and talk to people until you learn on your own.
Then, and only then will you be able to take care of yourself for this cycle, and every other cycle to come.
[quote]tykemathis wrote:
What else should I take besides D-bol and Test E, and what brands are good and trustable. Should the D-bol be pill, liquid, or injectable. creatine? anything for my liver? I guess what I need is a shopping list and if you got it doses and times of day to take.
Thanks[/quote]