Just my two cents on the matter is that how a BBer or strength athlete uses gear is relevant to someone who wants to compete. They have to be one point for one day. Most gear users don’t compete. They don’t need to be as big as possible at the end of a cut.
I think by using higher doses during a bulk, and cruising during a cut, one can typically look the same on average (not on a single day, but say a yearly physique average) with less drugs than the other way around. I think a large part of this is muscle memory. Sure you lose some size / strength getting shredded if you are cutting using TRT levels. The thing is that size and strength comes back quick in a surplus of food and hormones. You could cut for 20 weeks on blast and end at X weight and X body fat, or you could cut on cruise and end at X-15 lbs weight and X body fat, then in 6 weeks on blast, be X body weight and X (+1 or 2%) body fat (but you’d gain a bit of body fat after the cut blast too). You could likely do this with the same amount of drugs in the cut blast as the bulk blast. It’s just that the cut blast was 20 weeks vs 6 weeks for the bulk blast.
The real answer though is to perma blast if you want to be as big and saucy as possible. Not the healthiest. I’ve seen all sorts of protocols from short to long for blasts. What seems to be the thing that gets the results is the dose being on average pretty high throughout the year.
The exact advice parroted from someone whom everyone in this thread would want to look like:
400-500 test/400 dhb.
If performance drops throw in 50mg of tren a m/w/f
Performance drops more up it to 75
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You’re going to want to increase the drugs as performance decreases.
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What dosage would you start with once you notice gym performance decline in a cut?
You’d build the drugs say every 4-6 weeks. An average cut I’d say is 20 weeks.just an example
1-4(500 test),4-8 300-400 mast, 8-12 100-150 tren, 12-16 50-100 var, 16-20 50winstrol or up the tren to 300
He coaches many of the strongest and best looking folks I know. Most of them do not compete.
He’s got 19 or 19.5" biceps and is year round 6-10% BF
I will admit this is a bit out of my world. Perhaps I could gain with that mix of drugs. I haven’t been able to gain muscle well in a cut with Test. I’ve only really tried it at 325 mg/wk.
I do think there is a component of genetics involved with what will work too. Kevin Leverone is a great example. His drug response was amazing. He would start a contest prep at like 200 lbs at ~15% body fat, and in 20 weeks be 260 at 5%. He would go from benching 3 plates to 6 in 20 weeks too. That isn’t typical haha. Most will not have anywhere near those results. If they went form 15% BF to 5%, they would be lucky to end at 190 lbs on a ton of gear (which would be a crazy physique at average male height).
No. It was advice given to a relatively average dude trying to lose weight who had already dabbled with gear a lot. I believe he is/was a powerlifter who just had too much power belly.
The common thread of advice RE gear/diet is to run a moderate-high cruise year round, but to increase gear during a cut so performance doesn’t dip. This is not targeted at powerlifters, but still applies.
I think this works well for serious guys, pros, guys that are heavily muscled already. I think this is usually how they do it now, but not necessarily how they did it to get to where they are.
I think normies, guys that are fat but want to “recomp” or build muscle and lose fat. Every post is like that lol. I’m 25% and want to lose fat while i gain muscle so here’s my 1g AAS stack to accomplish that. That’s overkill for them, probably. TRT, or maybe low-dose compounds while dieting would allow them to lose fat and likely grow some, since they are under muscled and over fat to begin with.
Then they could pump some doses up, 500mg or so for a bulk and take advantage of that extra high hormone state. Along with the food, really pack on some gainz.
You could go either way and make progress. But guys that use 500mg of test to cut for 12 weeks is just a waste of good gear, IMO. They could accomplish the same thing with 200mg and then rebound out of that with 500mg.
Seems a rather odd wording. So the guys who are not serious have better results taking more AAS to gain muscle and less when trying to lose fat and keep muscle. Seems to me only serious guys would be taking AAS at all.
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa…! You mean I can’t just take some gear while being 30+% BF, having only trained half-assed for a year, and eating garbage- and I won’t instantly just stick the needle in myself and turn into someone with at LEAST a classic physique pro’s body? Like, just taking the shot won’t do all the work for me? Man…that’s BS bro! I totally read a few posts on a few forums and can design a cycle that will guarantee a total physique transformation!
SAID: 99% of posters who come on here (and undoubtedly other similar boards)
No doubt man. I am only doing prescribed TRT for life now (no more AAS etc) and I decided to cut a little over a month ago. I’m down from a little over 200lbs to 190lbs at 5’7"; all through changing my nutrition and macros. I haven’t added any cardio, still just banging weights 5 days a week, and most of the loss has been around my mid-section. It just takes effort and a little knowledge.
[and consistency] EXACTLY! I don’t know if it’s all due nowadays to “fitness influencers” (god I hate that term, it’s so moronic and these idiots often really don’t know jack shit about nutrition, training, or drugs) or what, but all these guys who are 20-45 are all increasingly asking about TRT like it’s some sort of miracle cure, a lifesaver, or the “necessary ingredient” for finally getting in shape, but this couldn’t be further from the truth. It seems like instant gratification is usually the culprit behind many guys coming on here, asking about TRT or their “first time cycle”. AAS are just a piece of the entire puzzle.
I liken it to fixing up a muscle car… Sure, you can slap a supercharger[AAS] on just about any engine, but unless you really beef up your transmission[diet] and your rear differential[training], just the supercharger[AAS] will end up breaking/hobbling the car and not having the desired effect. The car/AAS needs all of the supporting parts (diet, training, rest/recovery, etc) to be solid and well thought out
LOL, until all that “power” either rips that sweet minivan apart OR blows up the engine entirely! LOL (that is, if it’s hitting that HP using extreme amounts of NOS a la fast and furious). But hey, maybe I’m wrong and they transplanted a 6.4L Hemi into that sweet odyssey.
I gotta say, the mom driving that beast would be the kids’ favorite ride to soccer practice. I love watching people add ridiculous amounts of HP/TQ to beater vehicles, makes for epic you tube fail videos.
That would be my choice and which I did to my 2005 Dodge Magnum with a 5.7L motor. I had a new 6.1L stroked to 6.9L (no power adders, just displacement) with all forged internals, a big Crower cam and Kooks headers followed by no cats and a 3’ aluminized steel exhaust. I love the exhaust note. And I did upgrade my half shafts to 600hp rating, with upgraded automatic transmission clutches, and a 3.55 rear end. 19lb aluminum wheels with 6 piston Wilwood calipers.
