Test E and Tren First Stack

Pharma
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Hello,

I am new to the board but have researched a lot on this and other pages. I would like to start my first cycle and have some minor questions and would like feed back on the stack.

STATS

29 years
7-10 years training off and on was military for 10 years and now a contractor.
72" 220
BF 17%
Goal would be to add muscle mass while end of the cycle cutting up some.

Diet is clean but very limited options as to where I am located.

Normal Day
0400 2 scoops ON Hydro whey and pre-workout
0415 workout BLOX SAA
0600 post workout BLOX and 2 scoops Hydo whey Animal pak
0630 Breakfast 5 boiled egg whites and 1/2 cup of oatmeal.
1000 ON gold standard whey
1300 Lunch 1 cup mixed vegetables, 3 4 oz chicken breast, 8 slices of deli turkey, and 2 slices of provolone cheese
1630 ON gold standard whey
1700 Cardio
1830 Dinner fish, turkey, chicken (this is what is usually changed every day)
1930 ON Casein protein and Animal pak PM

Workout is from the Arnold Book
Monday & Thursday - Chest and Back
Tues & Friday - Shoulders, Bi’s, Tris, Forearms
Wednesday & Saturday - Lower body

After all research I have done the best Stack would be Test.

I would like to run Test E and Tren with a Winstrol at the end.

10 weeks on Test E

W 1 Test E (650mg+250mg) Fronload
W 2-10 Test E 500mg (250mg x 2 a week) Monday & Thursday

Trenbolone Enanthate

W 1-8 Tren 500mg (250mg x 2 a week) Monday & Thursday

Winstrol

W 10-14 Winstrol 50mg ED

During Cycle

W 1-10 Adex

PCT

W 12-16 Nolva 40/40/20/20

Some of my questions include

how would the vets run the winstrol?
how much adex whould I use?
is my PCT good?
and what are the best ways to get adex and nolva kinda hard for me to get some things here but it can be done just need a lot of advance to make sure I can get it?

all input would be greatly appreciated and if you have any questions let me know and I will answer them I tried to include the most info I could think of in this post.

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What is your rush to jump into such a complex cycle? Run Test E at 500mg for 10 or 12 weeks. Use arimidex at roughly .25mg eod and nolva for pct 2 weeks after last pin. I did this for my first cycle and with no changes in diet I gained 20 lbs and kept all of it including the strength gains. Save the tren and winny for later cycles, it’s simply not necessary yet.

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[quote]captaina1984 wrote:
What is your rush to jump into such a complex cycle? Run Test E at 500mg for 10 or 12 weeks. Use arimidex at roughly .25mg eod and nolva for pct 2 weeks after last pin. I did this for my first cycle and with no changes in diet I gained 20 lbs and kept all of it including the strength gains. Save the tren and winny for later cycles, it’s simply not necessary yet.[/quote]

I have no real rush but I have it already. After reading the sticky forum for newbies it was on there as an add on. I was thinking the same thing about not using it. Thank you for your input I will take the Tren and Winny out and maybe run it in 6 months after this cycle.

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[quote]captaina1984 wrote:
What is your rush to jump into such a complex cycle? Run Test E at 500mg for 10 or 12 weeks. Use arimidex at roughly .25mg eod and nolva for pct 2 weeks after last pin. I did this for my first cycle and with no changes in diet I gained 20 lbs and kept all of it including the strength gains. Save the tren and winny for later cycles, it’s simply not necessary yet.[/quote]

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH RUNNIGN OTHER SUBSTANCES YOUR FIRST CYCLE.

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]captaina1984 wrote:
What is your rush to jump into such a complex cycle? Run Test E at 500mg for 10 or 12 weeks. Use arimidex at roughly .25mg eod and nolva for pct 2 weeks after last pin. I did this for my first cycle and with no changes in diet I gained 20 lbs and kept all of it including the strength gains. Save the tren and winny for later cycles, it’s simply not necessary yet.[/quote]

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH RUNNIGN OTHER SUBSTANCES YOUR FIRST CYCLE. [/quote]

truth

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]captaina1984 wrote:
What is your rush to jump into such a complex cycle? Run Test E at 500mg for 10 or 12 weeks. Use arimidex at roughly .25mg eod and nolva for pct 2 weeks after last pin. I did this for my first cycle and with no changes in diet I gained 20 lbs and kept all of it including the strength gains. Save the tren and winny for later cycles, it’s simply not necessary yet.[/quote]

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH RUNNIGN OTHER SUBSTANCES YOUR FIRST CYCLE. [/quote]

Would the original layout I posted first be fine then?

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[quote]captaina1984 wrote:
What is your rush to jump into such a complex cycle? Run Test E at 500mg for 10 or 12 weeks. Use arimidex at roughly .25mg eod and nolva for pct 2 weeks after last pin. I did this for my first cycle and with no changes in diet I gained 20 lbs and kept all of it including the strength gains. Save the tren and winny for later cycles, it’s simply not necessary yet.[/quote]

This is what I like to hear! I’m about to do my very first cycle and that’s exactly how I’m doing mine. I’m a noob at this, but I agree. First cycle should be very simple, to much stuff gets confusing.

OP this is how I’ll be doing mine.

500mg test e a week for 12 weeks (pin Monday am, and thurs pm)
adex .25mg eod.

pct: nolva 40/40/20/20

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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with running other compounds on a first cycle, but I personally believe maybe Tren should wait until after you know how something more basic like test goes with you, so you can be more objective and conscious about its effects later on. (.02)

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I have zero experience with AAS, so the following things seem curious to me:

You’re taking Winstrol from week 10 to 14 at 50mg/day (350g/week) and starting PCT on week 12 so, wouldn’t the Winny still be suppressing your HPTA during the first two weeks of PCT?

Since you’re using Trenbolone, wouldn’t it be wise to take Cabergoline or al least keep it at hand?

As for the questions you had:

I think you can get Nolvadex and Arimidex as research chemicals pretty easily.

I believe a normal dose of Arimidex for someone taking 500mg/week of Testosterone is about 0.5mg EOD. This dose confuses me because you read about guys on TRT doses of Testosterone using as much Adex so, if the Adex dose were to go up proportionally along with the T dose, one would take around 1mg of Adex/day. However, one rarely sees people dosing Adex this high, even while on much higher doses of T. Some say that people on gear are only taking the minimum amount of AI necessary to avoid gyno and using this (the absence of gyno) as a sign that E2 is under control. According to them, people on doses of gear beyond that of TRT should be using way more AI. It’s a very interesting and complex conversation. to make things more complicated, individual response to Adex seems to vary greatly, with some people reporting symptoms of low E2 from very low doses (under 0.25 EOD) while some studies report that a dose of 1mg/day will only produce a reduction of 50% in E2.

Hopefully some of the vets can help us clear these questions out. Meanwhile, best of luck with the cycle. Be sure to report back your results.